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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Mike T on April 09, 2013, 05:51:53 PM
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This pedalai selection is the pride of the rare fruit council but I am yet to try it.People speak very highly of it.
(http://s15.postimg.cc/4o0ufv4rb/pedalai_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4o0ufv4rb/)
(http://s17.postimg.cc/9hcf7047f/pedalai2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9hcf7047f/)
(http://s22.postimg.cc/jolhizfjx/pedalai3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jolhizfjx/)
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This pedalai selection is the pride of the rare fruit council but I am yet to try it.People speak very highly of it.
(http://s15.postimg.cc/4o0ufv4rb/pedalai_1.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4o0ufv4rb/)
(http://s17.postimg.cc/9hcf7047f/pedalai2.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/9hcf7047f/)
(http://s22.postimg.cc/jolhizfjx/pedalai3.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/jolhizfjx/)
Those fruits have a real wow factor to them.. I have never tried the fruit but have seen the trees.....some of the most magnificent trees there are to behold.
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WOW Mike! I heard angelic hymns drifting through the air as I viewed the pictures (I need to see a Dr. about that). Fruit looks absolutely incredible and as one gent put it to me a "Holy Grail" of tropical fruits. Though it does remind me a bit of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch more than the pedalai I've seen, they seemed more oblong.
Now if only you could find a dwarf pedali among those amazing gentleman. :)
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Those are some impressive leaves. How large can they get?
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This type is pretty big with large 'bulbs' and the pix do not convey it all that well.I have tried a few before of different shapes that have been really good but this is supposed to be the cream of the crop.I will probably be chowing down on them in a couple of weeks so may be able to report how it stacks up against regular pedalai and other artocarpus.
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Richard it is a real megaphyll and some leaves are 3 feet long but most are smaller.
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20 years to fruit Mike ?
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Luc More like 4 to 7.This tree is grown at Tully with 160 inches of rain a year and winter temps dipping to 40f and it took 5 years there.This selection does pretty well at the cooler end of this species tolerances.They are pretty productive and really don't need as much rain as that.I think there is much variation in most artocarpus species.This variation is quite noticeable in terms of fruit characteristics and cold tolerances.
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Mike
Beautiful photos of an incredible fruit. I have a 5 foot Pedelai tree in a pot that is gorgeous! I wish I could graft it ! No doubt that this is one of the "holy grail" fruits
FGM
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Mike, impressive fruits and leaves!!It looks more like a hairy coconut :) this tree must be gigantic! Thanks for sharing.
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Wow, huge leaves and fruit those leaves must be a foot long and fruit maybe 5-6" in diameter, thanks for sharing great pic's!!! 8)
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Wow Mike, it looks great. :) The flesh looks like marang. Lets us know how it tastes.
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Wow Mike, it looks great. :) The flesh looks like marang. Lets us know how it tastes.
Yes pedalai tastes very similar to marang. Some like it even better than marang.
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Very nice pics Mike.
I've never heard of the fruit until today. Definitely drool worthy.
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Wow Mike, it looks great. :) The flesh looks like marang. Lets us know how it tastes.
Yes pedalai tastes very similar to marang. Some like it even better than marang.
My god how many seeds do I need to collect? Every week something new to add to my list!
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Luc More like 4 to 7.This tree is grown at Tully with 160 inches of rain a year and winter temps dipping to 40f and it took 5 years there.This selection does pretty well at the cooler end of this species tolerances.They are pretty productive and really don't need as much rain as that.I think there is much variation in most artocarpus species.This variation is quite noticeable in terms of fruit characteristics and cold tolerances.
You are going to get people down here in fl thinking with talk like that. Pedalai is definitely at the top of my list for fruit to try.
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They are pretty productive....
How many fruits approximately on how old tree? Which one is more productive: marang or pedalai?
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Thanks for the posts, Mike. We'll be anxious to see your post when you actually get to try this superior clone. I'm also happy to hear of your estimated time to fruiting. I plan on putting in several (and also a number of other Artocarpus spp.) and I had been hoping on something in the 10 yr range for pedalai. I have a neighbor who had an Artocarpus that was 22 yrs old and enormous. I have misplaced my notes (one move too many) but I think it was elasticus if I recall correctly. It had never borne fruit for him & he was going to take it out.
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Luc More like 4 to 7.This tree is grown at Tully with 160 inches of rain a year and winter temps dipping to 40f and it took 5 years there.This selection does pretty well at the cooler end of this species tolerances.They are pretty productive and really don't need as much rain as that.I think there is much variation in most artocarpus species.This variation is quite noticeable in terms of fruit characteristics and cold tolerances.
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Thanks for the posts, Mike. We'll be anxious to see your post when you actually get to try this superior clone. I'm also happy to hear of your estimated time to fruiting. I plan on putting in several (and also a number of other Artocarpus spp.) and I had been hoping on something in the 10 yr range for pedalai. I have a neighbor who had an Artocarpus that was 22 yrs old and enormous. I have misplaced my notes (one move too many) but I think it was elasticus if I recall correctly. It had never borne fruit for him & he was going to take it out.
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Luc More like 4 to 7.This tree is grown at Tully with 160 inches of rain a year and winter temps dipping to 40f and it took 5 years there.This selection does pretty well at the cooler end of this species tolerances.They are pretty productive and really don't need as much rain as that.I think there is much variation in most artocarpus species.This variation is quite noticeable in terms of fruit characteristics and cold tolerances.
I think Mike's predictions about how long pedalai takes to fruit are extremely optimistic, at least for Hawaii, and even more so for Florida. I also have elasticus that is huge, 12 years old and has never fruited. This is a problem with some of the artocarpus. Probably not warm enough for them. Same problem occurs here with lancefolius and anisefolium. Pedalai will fruit here eventually, but they get extremely tall. Not a good tree unless you have a large farm.
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Oscar I checked back with the grower for any further information on this pedalai.He confirmed that it first fruited at 5 years which is 2 earlier than expected from local experience with this species.He described it as superior to any marang and desribed it as an improvement on other locally available pedalai in just about all characteristics.He went on to say his farm went down to 3c last winter and it has been cooler in the past and the tree showed no ill effects.It also handled a cat 5 cyclone (winds to 300km/hr) better than all other fruit trees including sapodilla and jackfruit.
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Oscar I checked back with the grower for any further information on this pedalai.He confirmed that it first fruited at 5 years which is 2 earlier than expected from local experience with this species.He described it as superior to any marang and desribed it as an improvement on other locally available pedalai in just about all characteristics.He went on to say his farm went down to 3c last winter and it has been cooler in the past and the tree showed no ill effects.It also handled a cat 5 cyclone (winds to 300km/hr) better than all other fruit trees including sapodilla and jackfruit.
Is that 5 years from the planting of the seed, or 5 years from when he planted it into the ground? And how old was the plant already when he planted it into the ground?
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I'm going to have to move somewhere between Cardwell and Tully one of these days. ;)
I've heard reports of lanceifolius in particular taking forever to fruit, or setting small fruit and aborting 100% at a small stage. And thats in near equatorial lowland monsoon/dry season areas. The trees Mike has access to have exceptional pedigree and I wouldnt be surprised if he ran down the elusive grafted Junglesops that fruit in 3 years one day...
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Good question and I just don't know but I was presuming 5 years from seed.Many farmers plant tropicals out just before the rainy season after being planted the rainy season before.It could have been 6.
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Here's a Pedelai that was growing like a weed in the Florida Keys. The grower removed all of the local soil and replaced it with a good soil. It had not fruited yet but was killed by Hurricane Wilma in 2005 before it had a chance to produce. It was an amazing looking tree!
(http://s14.postimg.cc/55w4uoyhp/Pedelai_KEYS_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/55w4uoyhp/)
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Here's a Pedelai that was growing like a weed in the Florida Keys. The grower removed all of the local soil and replaced it with a good soil. It had not fruited yet but was killed by Hurricane Wilma in 2005 before it had a chance to produce. It was an amazing looking tree!
(http://s14.postimg.cc/55w4uoyhp/Pedelai_KEYS_001.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/55w4uoyhp/)
The leaves of my tree ( planted from seed in 2008 ) are deeply lobed so there is also a difference in leave shape like with the marang ??
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Luc
My seedling is deeply lobed as you mentioned but they eventually turn into the shape you see in the Keys photo. The photo below shows a mature fruiting tree in Puerto Rico that has the same leaf shape as the Keys tree....
Oscar
What can you share about this?
(http://s21.postimg.cc/s82aunno3/PR_AUG2011_172.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/s82aunno3/)
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Good question and I just don't know but I was presuming 5 years from seed.Many farmers plant tropicals out just before the rainy season after being planted the rainy season before.It could have been 6.
Very few people would direct seed this king of plant. Usually they wait 1-2 years in pot. So that 5 year old is probably more like 6-7 years old. Keep in mind that 6-7 years old there in northern Queensland is probably about equal to 10 years here and 15 to 20 in Florida.
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I have a question to Luc and Oscar. What was growth rates on your pedalai? I had my grown about 1.5 feet in 5 months. Than I replanted in a pot and moved to a different location. Something went horribly wrong. After replanting those 5 month old plants, they were exposed to full sun for about 3 hours each day and I think I had to much compost in a pot. Look at the picture taken when they were 1.5 years old. Basically they only grew couple inches in one year, leaves look unhealthy. Seems like they were struggling to survive. Looks like they are going to make, but I think party of my pedalai younger brothers are going to overtake them eventually.
(http://s21.postimg.cc/p0vtbautv/Pedalai.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/p0vtbautv/)
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The pedalai grows pretty fast when young. It sounds like you moved them into too much sun. They like filtered sunlight till they are 3-4 feet tall.
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The pedalai grows pretty fast when young. It sounds like you moved them into too much sun. They like filtered sunlight till they are 3-4 feet tall.
Same observation here , my 4 to 5 year old is only a little over 2 meters now , grows in filtered sun . I won't be holding my breath for another 10 years then .....
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Luc
My Pedelai is almost 2 meters tall and is only 2 years old! Maybe you have a slow grower!
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Luc
My Pedelai is almost 2 meters tall and is only 2 years old! Maybe you have a slow grower!
Everything is slower here Greenman , this is Mexico ....let's compare how thick the trunk is ( no cheating OK ) I'll measure tomorrow.....
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Luc
My trunk is 1.5 inches wide (38mm) and 3 inches (76mm) in circumference. This is the widest point at the bottom of the trunk
FGM
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Luc
My trunk is 1.5 inches wide (38mm) and 3 inches (76mm) in circumference. This is the widest point at the bottom of the trunk
FGM
OK , back from the orchard ...here's the pic . trunk is 11 cm wide lowest point and tree is close to 4 meters , doing OK .
(http://s14.postimg.cc/kg6m2suv1/DSCN2475.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kg6m2suv1/)
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Hi MIke,
Pedalai looks like marang crossed with rambutan ;D Truly weird and awesome looking Artocarpus sp. 8)
Thanks for sharing :)
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Luc
My trunk is 1.5 inches wide (38mm) and 3 inches (76mm) in circumference. This is the widest point at the bottom of the trunk
FGM
OK , back from the orchard ...here's the pic . trunk is 11 cm wide lowest point and tree is close to 4 meters , doing OK .
(http://s14.postimg.cc/kg6m2suv1/DSCN2475.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kg6m2suv1/)
You have a bigger tree for sure. Did I mess up my metrics?
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Luc
My trunk is 1.5 inches wide (38mm) and 3 inches (76mm) in circumference. This is the widest point at the bottom of the trunk
FGM
OK , back from the orchard ...here's the pic . trunk is 11 cm wide lowest point and tree is close to 4 meters , doing OK .
(http://s14.postimg.cc/kg6m2suv1/DSCN2475.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/kg6m2suv1/)
You have a bigger tree for sure. Did I mess up my metrics?
Your metrics are correct FMG , I usually do not pay a lot of attention to trees that will take forever to fruit , so this was a nice surprise for me . Can I take a few years of fruiting time now....
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Congrats DL, it is amazing what growing in the right environment does for these beauties. The ones I've seen were huge trees, I would guess around 20' foot spacing between them?
Good luck!
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Pedalai is such a cool fruit, does anyone know where to get a plant or seeds that can be shipped to california?
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I forgot to mention, the ones I saw were planted much closer than 20' and still grew very well and fruited.
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Thanks Ethan. I kept my mouth shut, but honestly I highly doubted from the getgo that you guys actually had Pedalai on your PR trip. Look at real pedalai picture and what you actually had. I'm guessing Ian mislabeled, and it is really A. tamaran. Another indication is that Pedalai suppose to be superior to Marang, and many of you preferred Marang over "Pedalai"
(http://s23.postimg.cc/c2tisz8tz/054.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/c2tisz8tz/)
http://s23.photobucket.com/user/ohiojay/media/Puerto%20Rico%202013/Ian%20Crown%20Panoramic%20Fruit/151.jpg.html?sort=2&o=61 (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/ohiojay/media/Puerto%20Rico%202013/Ian%20Crown%20Panoramic%20Fruit/151.jpg.html?sort=2&o=61)
http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/pix/ArtTam.shtml (http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/pix/ArtTam.shtml)
Real thing:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2qs9dh5.jpg)
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I forgot to mention, the ones I saw were planted much closer than 20' and still grew very well and fruited.
They might fruit very well but at that spacing will be very soon shading each other out. Very minimum spacing for these giant trees is 35 feet tall. They are absolutely massive, especially when planted in the tropics.
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Thanks DL for the info, I believe it was the first or second year it fruited, could that make a difference? Either way it was good fruit, just marang was better at that moment. Hmmmm, if it wasn't pedalai then that gets put back on the bucket list! 8)
Oscar, Ian's trees were maybe 20' but still in their 'teenage' years, the ones at Felipe's had been there much longer with trunks that might have been 6' across??? and still probably not fully mature. Felipe's second one had A. elsticus growing maybe 10' away, both getting huge.
Cant wait to see an open photo of that fruit!
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Thanks DL for the info, I believe it was the first or second year it fruited, could that make a difference? Either way it was good fruit, just marang was better at that moment. Hmmmm, if it wasn't pedalai then that gets put back on the bucket list! 8)
Oscar, Ian's trees were maybe 20' but still in their 'teenage' years, the ones at Felipe's had been there much longer with trunks that might have been 6' across??? and still probably not fully mature. Felipe's second one had A. elsticus growing maybe 10' away, both getting huge.
Cant wait to see an open photo of that fruit!
Ethan, pedalai gets easily 150 feet tall and 50 feet across when fully grown.
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Ethan did you get your pedalai from the same source as FGM?
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Thanks Ethan. I kept my mouth shut, but honestly I highly doubted from the getgo that you guys actually had Pedalai on your PR trip. Look at real pedalai picture and what you actually had. I'm guessing Ian mislabeled, and it is really A. tamaran. Another indication is that Pedalai suppose to be superior to Marang, and many of you preferred Marang over "Pedalai"
Real thing:
It's possible they are both pedalai. Seems like there is quite a bit of variation in this fruit, judging from photos Mike T previously posed in another thread and what we have here marked as pedalai.
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Ethan did you get your pedalai from the same source as FGM?
I believe so.
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According to Australian artocarpus guide, pedalai is fastest growing artocarpus, 2 meters a year. It did exactly that. Planted one year ago, at about 6 feet height with just 2 leaves at the top after wind stripped the the rest from lower trunk. Remarkable growth spur.
Marangs for example much slower. About 5 feet after 2 years. I don't think, I will hit a predicted target of fruiting within 5 years with marang.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/52yntz.jpg)
This is a tree of more advanced stage, growing wild, by the roadside.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/311kqqs.jpg)
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Yes they will be huge, is that what you want it to be? Then you can't pick the fruit i guess.
Does it work to topprune them? When i toppruned a breadfruittree it died after that.
Yours also has a sidebranche that grows low, mine also made them but they disappeared again.
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(http://s2.postimg.cc/70qlwshzp/20150307_165739.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/70qlwshzp/)
Today I tried pedalai and compared it to keledang which you can see a few bulbs of here with the pedalai.The pedalai is very nice especially this large bulged type.I found the keledang better and the tangy dried apricot taste very appealing.
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Mike, you never cease to pull out the big guns over and over and over again!
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Really bright color on that keledang. And that pedalai looks to be really nice sized!
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The pedalai tree has good sized ones as I saw last year , or was that the year before? Anyway this is the only one I have so far and would have been over 2 lbs. The 2 keledangs were smaller perhaps a pound and a quarter.The keledangs might be from a different tree on the same farm because as you observed Oscar the flesh was almost glowing with colour.I did a double take when I cracked the first one.
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Correction the uneaten portion of pedalai was just put on the scales and is 900g.It would have been around 1.4kg or 3lbs fresh.
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Correction the uneaten portion of pedalai was just put on the scales and is 900g.It would have been around 1.4kg or 3lbs fresh.
Can you get shots of the whole fruit with something to show scale?
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No Oscar it is messed around with brown old skin as I got a reject that was good inside still.It is night and the keledangs are ripped apart.
Hang on I'll flap the skin over and try.
(http://s15.postimg.cc/m70l80ns7/20150307_202445.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/m70l80ns7/)
It doesn't look round now and the skin turned out worse than in real life.
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Thanks. That looks huge. The ones i've seen here are about 1/4 that size.
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I have never seen them less than a pound.Like an old rambutan when the hairs shrivel and skin loses colour they don't look as good but I'll take anything of fruit I like.
Trees on farms would have larger fruit but I was told this is a large and good quality selection.
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I topped this tree later. Don't want it shoot for the sky. My another pedalai has been topped by the wind at about 4 feet high. Highest side branch took role of the leader. I had yet another 3 meter tree I did not want, cut at the ground level and now 2 leaves coming out from trunk. This species are hard to kill. You can prune any way you want. ..
That's good to know. Don't have a Pedalai, and am not sure I want one. A friend had his enormous tree removed last year because it was dominating several other trees in the vicinity. Cost him a small fortune to do so-several thousand dollars. :o
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I topped this tree later. Don't want it shoot for the sky. My another pedalai has been topped by the wind at about 4 feet high. Highest side branch took role of the leader. I had yet another 3 meter tree I did not want, cut at the ground level and now 2 leaves coming out from trunk. This species are hard to kill. You can prune any way you want. ..
That's good to know. Don't have a Pedalai, and am not sure I want one. A friend had his enormous tree removed last year because it was dominating several other trees in the vicinity. Cost him a small fortune to do so-several thousand dollars. :o
It's only going to dominate if planted too close to other trees. Most people just don't realize how big it will get when planning distances. It's not only very tall, but also very wide.
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...It's not only very tall, but also very wide.
Right, in other words a monster! Sort of like an Albizzia, no?
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...It's not only very tall, but also very wide.
Right, in other words a monster! Sort of like an Albizzia, no?
Albizias get much bigger. Not dangerous like an albizzia in wind because pedalai is not brittle, and the branches and trunks don't get as monstrously large and heavy as albizzia. Also albizia probably grows 20x faster than pedalai. Doesn't seed and make little seedlings everywhere like ablizia. But pedalai isdefinitely not the kind of tree to grow in a pot in your condo yard of suburbia. In a 1 acre lot or preferably 3+ acres or bigger it's doable. Also it can be topped and pruned, like any other tree.
BTW, for the unsuspecting gardeners, marang will also become a giant tree. Not as big as pedalai, but a whole lot bigger than breadfruit.
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(http://s2.postimg.cc/70qlwshzp/20150307_165739.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/70qlwshzp/)
Today I tried pedalai and compared it to keledang which you can see a few bulbs of here with the pedalai.The pedalai is very nice especially this large bulged type.I found the keledang better and the tangy dried apricot taste very appealing.
Spectacular ! very beautiful
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According to Australian artocarpus guide, pedalai is fastest growing artocarpus, 2 meters a year. It did exactly that. Planted one year ago, at about 6 feet height with just 2 leaves at the top after wind stripped the the rest from lower trunk. Remarkable growth spur.
Marangs for example much slower. About 5 feet after 2 years. I don't think, I will hit a predicted target of fruiting within 5 years with marang.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/52yntz.jpg)
This is a tree of more advanced stage, growing wild, by the roadside.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/311kqqs.jpg)
Very nice !
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(http://s12.postimg.cc/4vzfa4k61/20140211_100301.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4vzfa4k61/)
Artocarpus can be kept quite small and productive and some selection are just more compact anyway.Feast your eyes on this keledang and notice the large fruit and small tree.
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Oh yeah it is the mother tree of keledang seeds I sent to people when other keledang didn't make the grade.
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(http://s16.postimg.cc/6fojlqrgh/march2015_040.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/6fojlqrgh/)
Even pedalai can be kept at a size which is smaller than the wild examples.This developing one has a some sunburn and you can see it is from the large fruiting type.
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(http://s12.postimg.cc/4vzfa4k61/20140211_100301.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4vzfa4k61/)
Artocarpus can be kept quite small and productive and some selection are just more compact anyway.Feast your eyes on this keledang and notice the large fruit and small tree.
Is it really a selection that is small or just one that has been pruned consistently every single year? I've seen the lanceifolius tree here and it is another huge artocarpus. But yes any tree can be bonsaied if you take the time to do it. Even the giant sequoias make nice bonsais!
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Looks like I want one!
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(http://s12.postimg.cc/4vzfa4k61/20140211_100301.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/4vzfa4k61/)
Artocarpus can be kept quite small and productive and some selection are just more compact anyway.Feast your eyes on this keledang and notice the large fruit and small tree.
Very nice ! Very beautiful !
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This size is what i'm after but i guess it was much bigger and pruned back. This is a perfect sized tree for my city garden.
I read somewhere that pedalai can fruit in a pot in 3 years or so, i will try that since i sure don't want a huge tree.
If mine won't fruit i can always plant them in a park or garden somewhere.
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This size is what i'm after but i guess it was much bigger and pruned back. This is a perfect sized tree for my city garden.
I read somewhere that pedalai can fruit in a pot in 3 years or so, i will try that since i sure don't want a huge tree.
If mine won't fruit i can always plant them in a park or garden somewhere.
What comic book was that? ::) Or was that in another one of your fairy tale books? :o
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This size is what i'm after but i guess it was much bigger and pruned back. This is a perfect sized tree for my city garden.
I read somewhere that pedalai can fruit in a pot in 3 years or so, i will try that since i sure don't want a huge tree.
If mine won't fruit i can always plant them in a park or garden somewhere.
What comic book was that? ::) Or was that in another one of your fairy tale books? :o
If memory serves me well it was on an american website, you know from those guys who claim to know it all but even don't know what coconutcream is.
https://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/pedalai/ (https://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/pedalai/)
But this was not the website, let me see if i can find it.
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Is that from personal experience? NO. They're in Florida. I think only one person in all of Florida history perhaps fruited pedalai, and that was Adolf Grimal in the Keys many decades ago. So where do they get this fruits from seed in 3-4 years? :o In most of Florida it will never fruit at all.
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Is that from personal experience? NO. They're in Florida. I think only one person in all of Florida history perhaps fruited pedalai, and that was Adolf Grimal in the Keys many decades ago. So where do they get this fruits from seed in 3-4 years? :o In most of Florida it will never fruit at all.
You ask me? I only know marlborough cigarettes but this is their address: 19 Windmill Drive, Marlborough, MA 01752
But of course only one of the old guys who wrote a book on dead tree can claim something like that. It's impossible that another person somewhere on the world had a pedalai fruit in 3-4 years and maybe even in a container.
It really beats me how some selfclaimed "experts" can be so stubborn to think to know it all. Just wait untill the Asians/Africans/South Americans start writing english on the web on forums like this. Then you'll have to eat your words many times.
Mike just showed that it is possible to have a small keledang fruiting, why this tree wouldn't grow in a container in my yard? And how do you know what size of container i plan to use? We have huge ones here.
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You should learn art of bonsai. Then, like i said previously, you can even grow giant Sequoia trees in a bonsai pot.
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You should learn art of bonsai. Then, like i said previously, you can even grow giant Sequoia trees in a bonsai pot.
I have a very nice tigerbark ficus bonsai, growing on top of a japanese lantern.
But with bonsai it's the same, i read many websites and ended up with Al's gritty mix as being the best (according to americans). So i searched all over Bangkok to find the ingredients and made that mix.
Then i was in a Thai bonsai shop and saw them growing great bonsaitree's in normal soil, nothing gritty or pinebark or whatever and they are fine.
I also studied many japanese bonsai websites and yes they are the real masters but it takes decades to build tree's like they do.
One hour ago i saw a big fruiting mayongchid for sale, it was in a 75 litre (20 gallon) bag and about 4 metres (15 feet) tall and a wide tree. Don't ask me how they did it but it wasn't even in a pot but a ricebag. It was full of full sized fruit.
Yes growing tree's in small pots is called bonsai-technique and it works. I have loads of them.
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You should be able to get mayong chid like that to fruit for you in a pot in 18 months or less. ::)
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You should be able to get mayong chid like that to fruit for you in a pot in 18 months or less. ::)
And you should be able to loose some of your arrogant prejudices. You ain't seen nothing yet amigo but you act like you're the authority about growing tropical fruit. First show us some decent sized fruit before you blow from the tower like you used to.
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I guess you've somehow managed to overlook the hundreds of photos i've already posted?? How many photos have you posted of your excellent backyard collection, or of your mangosteens that fruit in 2 years or less? ::) ::) ::) Seems like almost yesterday when you posted about not knowing how to even up open a mangosteen fruit. Do you really live in Bangkok or do you post all this verbiage from Holland?
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Oscar I think all keledang and pedalai can be big trees but some can just get giant.The trees in the pix are kept smaller by pruning and growing in full sun.I suspect that some pedalai and keledang are so vigorous they can't easily be kept small.
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(http://s28.postimg.cc/58prlas89/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/58prlas89/)
That's my pedalai, that I'm growing in florida. That said I know it's a very long shot, I'm building a green house around it for next year. Also that tree is 4-5 years old, and growing in the ground. I don't except fruit anyyyyyyyy time soon if ever.
Oscar, Adolf Grimal had a huge pedalai, but according to. Chris Rollins the tree never fruited possibly due to low humidity and was eventually killed by a hurricane
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(http://s17.postimg.cc/qqh5a1kdn/keledang_tasting.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qqh5a1kdn/)
Here the farmer is sampling fruit from the same keledang tree pictured below.The crop has nearly finished but not my efforts to secure more seeds.
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(http://s28.postimg.cc/58prlas89/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/58prlas89/)
That's my pedalai, that I'm growing in florida. That said I know it's a very long shot, I'm building a green house around it for next year. Also that tree is 4-5 years old, and growing in the ground. I don't except fruit anyyyyyyyy time soon if ever.
Oscar, Adolf Grimal had a huge pedalai, but according to. Chris Rollins the tree never fruited possibly due to low humidity and was eventually killed by a hurricane
David, i had seen photos of Grimal's huge pedalai tree. I just assumed it might have fruited from its very large size. Thanks for correcting that. So then so far nobody has fruited pedalai in Florida? I hope you can be the first!
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According to Chris Rollins no one has. To my knowledge there are only 3 pedalai trees in Sfl that are planted in the ground one at Fairchild, one at F&S and mine. I put up 22 foot poles around the tree and I'm building a retractable green house around it.
I'm using cables and heavy clear plastic to build a retractable curtains that's I can pin down and seal in the winter. I'm doing it for my pedalai and for an elasticus tree I have.
Thanks Oscar. I think I'm gonna try to do this with a couple more artocarpus sp.
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According to Chris Rollins no one has. To my knowledge there are only 3 pedalai trees in Sfl that are planted in the ground one at Fairchild, one at F&S and mine. I put up 22 foot poles around the tree and I'm building a retractable green house around it.
I'm using cables and heavy clear plastic to build a retractable curtains that's I can pin down and seal in the winter. I'm doing it for my pedalai and for an elasticus tree I have.
Thanks Oscar. I think I'm gonna try to do this with a couple more artocarpus sp.
I've got an elasticus tree in the ground. The thing is bloody huge, probably around 40 feet tall and has yet to fruit. I think that has been fastest growing tree in my orchard.
You should really keep them topped and well pruned as otherwise you will never be able to protect them from cold spells.
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(http://s17.postimg.cc/qqh5a1kdn/keledang_tasting.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/qqh5a1kdn/)
Here the farmer is sampling fruit from the same keledang tree pictured below.The crop has nearly finished but not my efforts to secure more seeds.
Mike do you know at what age he started pruning the keledang tree? And did he give it any fertilizers? Or what age did it start fruiting?
This size (or a little taller) is what i'm after for my artocarpus. I count 8 fruits which is good enough for a tree this size. I guess it even can grow on a balcony in a decent sized pot. Can pedalai also fruit at this size? I still didn't dare to prune mine but they grow fast.
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They get pruned early to prevent pole like uprights and force more lateral branches . I would only be guessing but 5 years after planting out should be the start of fruiting and that tree is more than 10 years maybe a few more than 10.These are the last fruit on there and it must have had a few 3 times as many that have finished.
Growing in pots is not easy for big species.If this specimen was chopped back,dug up and stuck in a giant pot it would be easier than growing in a pot from the start.To be honest I would need to defer to the expertise of seasoned potters. Or is that potheads?
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They get pruned early to prevent pole like uprights and force more lateral branches . I would only be guessing but 5 years after planting out should be the start of fruiting and that tree is more than 10 years maybe a few more than 10.These are the last fruit on there and it must have had a few 3 times as many that have finished.
Growing in pots is not easy for big species.If this specimen was chopped back,dug up and stuck in a giant pot it would be easier than growing in a pot from the start.To be honest I would need to defer to the expertise of seasoned potters. Or is that potheads?
Allright then i'm going to prune my biggest pedalai today and if it works the pingan next week. It made some new branches a while ago but they disappeared. If growing in a pot doesn't make them fruit i can always put them in full soil but i fear the big roots. We have giant pots here as you probably know. I also plan to plant some in the park next to the lake but i have to ask permission first.
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According to Chris Rollins no one has. To my knowledge there are only 3 pedalai trees in Sfl that are planted in the ground one at Fairchild, one at F&S and mine. I put up 22 foot poles around the tree and I'm building a retractable green house around it.
I'm using cables and heavy clear plastic to build a retractable curtains that's I can pin down and seal in the winter. I'm doing it for my pedalai and for an elasticus tree I have.
Thanks Oscar. I think I'm gonna try to do this with a couple more artocarpus sp.
I've got an elasticus tree in the ground. The thing is bloody huge, probably around 40 feet tall and has yet to fruit. I think that has been fastest growing tree in my orchard.
You should really keep them topped and well pruned as otherwise you will never be able to protect them from cold spells.
Ya Oscar, I'm gonna start pruning it this year it want to make them like Grimals tree, short and bushy. But I have 22 ft to play with and I can always make the roof taller
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They get pruned early to prevent pole like uprights and force more lateral branches . I would only be guessing but 5 years after planting out should be the start of fruiting and that tree is more than 10 years maybe a few more than 10.These are the last fruit on there and it must have had a few 3 times as many that have finished.
Growing in pots is not easy for big species.If this specimen was chopped back,dug up and stuck in a giant pot it would be easier than growing in a pot from the start.To be honest I would need to defer to the expertise of seasoned potters. Or is that potheads?
I think your guess is way off the mark. Not saying that there can't be some very unsual precocious trees that fruit in 5 years, just like there are some very precocious girls that have a baby when they are 12 years old. But i don't think that is the average wait time.
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Oscar I just dont know how long fruiting would take if you planted out say a 2 year old seedling.I guess I am thinking of other Artocarpus and taking a punt at the earliest fruiting.
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They get pruned early to prevent pole like uprights and force more lateral branches . I would only be guessing but 5 years after planting out should be the start of fruiting and that tree is more than 10 years maybe a few more than 10.These are the last fruit on there and it must have had a few 3 times as many that have finished.
Growing in pots is not easy for big species.If this specimen was chopped back,dug up and stuck in a giant pot it would be easier than growing in a pot from the start.To be honest I would need to defer to the expertise of seasoned potters. Or is that potheads?
I think your guess is way off the mark. Not saying that there can't be some very unsual precocious trees that fruit in 5 years, just like there are some very precocious girls that have a baby when they are 12 years old. But i don't think that is the average wait time.
And there he is again, mister knowitall who even starts slandering if he has never seen it on his mountain. You ain't seen nothing yet! When will you learn how to use Google? You owe us apologises for all the wrong info you gave here.
5. Fruit Keledang
Keledang fruit including fruit rare earth Borneo. The exact shape jackfruit.Demikianpun meat-bu. Just a mini size. keledang is a fruit from forgotten along with the exhaustion of natural forests. The tree can reach 30 feet tall and wide and slightly hairy leaves. Keledang tree can bear fruit since 5 years after planting.Growing up in different types of soil and is generally tropical jungle filled with humus.
http://wildadventure-centralborneoisland.blogspot.com/2013/02/25-rare-fruit-of-borneo.html (http://wildadventure-centralborneoisland.blogspot.com/2013/02/25-rare-fruit-of-borneo.html)
Fruit Keledang including rare earth fruit of Borneo. The shape is exactly the jackfruit. Likewise meat-bu. Just a mini size. keledang is a fruit that starts forgotten along with endless natural forests. The tree can reach 30 meters tall and broad-leaved and slightly hairy. Keledang tree can bear fruit since 5 years after planting
http://megalaxi.mywapblog.com/category/on-the-spot-1/1.xhtml (http://megalaxi.mywapblog.com/category/on-the-spot-1/1.xhtml)
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In my experience with growing fruit trees I gotta side with Oscar. Ive grown quite a few seedlings of different species and grown them under great conditions.
Rarely does a seedling tree fruit quickly, even ones that are predicted to fruit in 5 years.
Bangkok you can be optimistic, but I think Oscar is right, if you really want to get it to fruit that quickly, graft the trees, it might even have a dwarfing affect.
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keledang look very good, that guy must have a nice farm, and if he pruned it back i wonder if he had others that he let go? if not , why would he prune it when you can see in the background much larger trees? i would wish to tour that farm someday
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They get pruned early to prevent pole like uprights and force more lateral branches . I would only be guessing but 5 years after planting out should be the start of fruiting and that tree is more than 10 years maybe a few more than 10.These are the last fruit on there and it must have had a few 3 times as many that have finished.
Growing in pots is not easy for big species.If this specimen was chopped back,dug up and stuck in a giant pot it would be easier than growing in a pot from the start.To be honest I would need to defer to the expertise of seasoned potters. Or is that potheads?
I think your guess is way off the mark. Not saying that there can't be some very unsual precocious trees that fruit in 5 years, just like there are some very precocious girls that have a baby when they are 12 years old. But i don't think that is the average wait time.
And there he is again, mister knowitall who even starts slandering if he has never seen it on his mountain. You ain't seen nothing yet! When will you learn how to use Google? You owe us apologises for all the wrong info you gave here.
5. Fruit Keledang
Keledang fruit including fruit rare earth Borneo. The exact shape jackfruit.Demikianpun meat-bu. Just a mini size. keledang is a fruit from forgotten along with the exhaustion of natural forests. The tree can reach 30 feet tall and wide and slightly hairy leaves. Keledang tree can bear fruit since 5 years after planting.Growing up in different types of soil and is generally tropical jungle filled with humus.
http://wildadventure-centralborneoisland.blogspot.com/2013/02/25-rare-fruit-of-borneo.html (http://wildadventure-centralborneoisland.blogspot.com/2013/02/25-rare-fruit-of-borneo.html)
Fruit Keledang including rare earth fruit of Borneo. The shape is exactly the jackfruit. Likewise meat-bu. Just a mini size. keledang is a fruit that starts forgotten along with endless natural forests. The tree can reach 30 meters tall and broad-leaved and slightly hairy. Keledang tree can bear fruit since 5 years after planting
http://megalaxi.mywapblog.com/category/on-the-spot-1/1.xhtml (http://megalaxi.mywapblog.com/category/on-the-spot-1/1.xhtml)
Dorgon lover, sorry to tell you this. But i have already more experience than you will ever have, even if you continue growing bonsai pots in your Bangkok condodiminium until you are 85 years old. I think it is you who should apologize to everyone for blowing so much loads of hot air, pretending you know about things you know absolutely nothing about, and even more so for moronic things like recommending scammers like Dorgon on this forum. I guess you like it when Dorgon burns people on this forum? :o
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They get pruned early to prevent pole like uprights and force more lateral branches . I would only be guessing but 5 years after planting out should be the start of fruiting and that tree is more than 10 years maybe a few more than 10.These are the last fruit on there and it must have had a few 3 times as many that have finished.
Growing in pots is not easy for big species.If this specimen was chopped back,dug up and stuck in a giant pot it would be easier than growing in a pot from the start.To be honest I would need to defer to the expertise of seasoned potters. Or is that potheads?
I think your guess is way off the mark. Not saying that there can't be some very unsual precocious trees that fruit in 5 years, just like there are some very precocious girls that have a baby when they are 12 years old. But i don't think that is the average wait time.
And there he is again, mister knowitall who even starts slandering if he has never seen it on his mountain. You ain't seen nothing yet! When will you learn how to use Google? You owe us apologises for all the wrong info you gave here.
5. Fruit Keledang
Keledang fruit including fruit rare earth Borneo. The exact shape jackfruit.Demikianpun meat-bu. Just a mini size. keledang is a fruit from forgotten along with the exhaustion of natural forests. The tree can reach 30 feet tall and wide and slightly hairy leaves. Keledang tree can bear fruit since 5 years after planting.Growing up in different types of soil and is generally tropical jungle filled with humus.
http://wildadventure-centralborneoisland.blogspot.com/2013/02/25-rare-fruit-of-borneo.html (http://wildadventure-centralborneoisland.blogspot.com/2013/02/25-rare-fruit-of-borneo.html)
Fruit Keledang including rare earth fruit of Borneo. The shape is exactly the jackfruit. Likewise meat-bu. Just a mini size. keledang is a fruit that starts forgotten along with endless natural forests. The tree can reach 30 meters tall and broad-leaved and slightly hairy. Keledang tree can bear fruit since 5 years after planting
http://megalaxi.mywapblog.com/category/on-the-spot-1/1.xhtml (http://megalaxi.mywapblog.com/category/on-the-spot-1/1.xhtml)
Dorgon lover, sorry to tell you this. But i have already more experience than you will ever have, even if you continue growing bonsai pots in your Bangkok condodiminium until you are 85 years old. I think it is you who should apologize to everyone for blowing so much loads of hot air, pretending you know about things you know absolutely nothing about, and even more so for moronic things like recommending scammers like Dorgon on this forum. I guess you like it when Dorgon burns people on this forum? :o
Yup, we all know how arrogant you are.
Pohon keledang dapat berbuah sejak 5 tahun setelah tanam
http://www.vivaborneo.com/buah-keledang-yang-terlupakan.htm (http://www.vivaborneo.com/buah-keledang-yang-terlupakan.htm)
https://www.google.co.th/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=buah+keledang+5+tahun (https://www.google.co.th/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=buah+keledang+5+tahun)
Here look how many websites tell the same but of course the slandering seedman from Hawaii knows it better. ;D ;D
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They get pruned early to prevent pole like uprights and force more lateral branches . I would only be guessing but 5 years after planting out should be the start of fruiting and that tree is more than 10 years maybe a few more than 10.These are the last fruit on there and it must have had a few 3 times as many that have finished.
Growing in pots is not easy for big species.If this specimen was chopped back,dug up and stuck in a giant pot it would be easier than growing in a pot from the start.To be honest I would need to defer to the expertise of seasoned potters. Or is that potheads?
I think your guess is way off the mark. Not saying that there can't be some very unsual precocious trees that fruit in 5 years, just like there are some very precocious girls that have a baby when they are 12 years old. But i don't think that is the average wait time.
And there he is again, mister knowitall who even starts slandering if he has never seen it on his mountain. You ain't seen nothing yet! When will you learn how to use Google? You owe us apologises for all the wrong info you gave here.
5. Fruit Keledang
Keledang fruit including fruit rare earth Borneo. The exact shape jackfruit.Demikianpun meat-bu. Just a mini size. keledang is a fruit from forgotten along with the exhaustion of natural forests. The tree can reach 30 feet tall and wide and slightly hairy leaves. Keledang tree can bear fruit since 5 years after planting.Growing up in different types of soil and is generally tropical jungle filled with humus.
http://wildadventure-centralborneoisland.blogspot.com/2013/02/25-rare-fruit-of-borneo.html (http://wildadventure-centralborneoisland.blogspot.com/2013/02/25-rare-fruit-of-borneo.html)
Fruit Keledang including rare earth fruit of Borneo. The shape is exactly the jackfruit. Likewise meat-bu. Just a mini size. keledang is a fruit that starts forgotten along with endless natural forests. The tree can reach 30 meters tall and broad-leaved and slightly hairy. Keledang tree can bear fruit since 5 years after planting
http://megalaxi.mywapblog.com/category/on-the-spot-1/1.xhtml (http://megalaxi.mywapblog.com/category/on-the-spot-1/1.xhtml)
Dorgon lover, sorry to tell you this. But i have already more experience than you will ever have, even if you continue growing bonsai pots in your Bangkok condodiminium until you are 85 years old. I think it is you who should apologize to everyone for blowing so much loads of hot air, pretending you know about things you know absolutely nothing about, and even more so for moronic things like recommending scammers like Dorgon on this forum. I guess you like it when Dorgon burns people on this forum? :o
Yup, we all know how arrogant you are.
Pohon keledang dapat berbuah sejak 5 tahun setelah tanam
http://www.vivaborneo.com/buah-keledang-yang-terlupakan.htm (http://www.vivaborneo.com/buah-keledang-yang-terlupakan.htm)
https://www.google.co.th/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=buah+keledang+5+tahun (https://www.google.co.th/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=buah+keledang+5+tahun)
Here look how many websites tell the same but of course the slandering seedman from Hawaii knows it better. ;D ;D
The more you talk the dumber you sound. Why don't you give up while you're ahead? You somehow seem to forget that this whole discussion was originally about pedalai? You made the claim that it can fruit in 3 years based on one nursery website from Florida saying that is the case, a nursery that has no experience in fruiting that plant, because as other Florida members have pointed out NOBODY has fruited pedalai in all of Florida. Now you are suddenly switching to talking about keledang and saying how right you are because you googled and found some sites that say it can fruit in 5 years? What a nitwit! Your only experience is in searching around the internet with google. But everyone but you seems to know that a lot of the information on the internet is incorrect. Dorgon lover it is not slander to call a dummy a dummy. Keep talking and make yourself sound even dumber! Tell us more about your mangosteen that fruits in only 18 months.
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I've seen website that have said it should be easy to grow durian in florida. And tons of other ridiculous things. Do what you want bangkok and if by some miracle you get a keledang or pedalai to fruit in 5 years or in a potwe will make you president of the forum and you will rule decree.
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I've seen website that have said it should be easy to grow durian in florida. And tons of other ridiculous things. Do what you want bangkok and if by some miracle you get a keledang or pedalai to fruit in 5 years or in a potwe will make you president of the forum and you will rule decree.
I don't get it.
Mike and the Queensland fruitclub say it takes 5 years for keledang.
Loads of Indo/Malay websites tell the same.
And you don't believe it?
No durian doesn't fruit in the USA because it's not the True Tropical climate. Durian also fruits much faster here then in Hawaii. Look at how much fruit is on those indo websites, never heard of those growing on hawaii or florida in the forest. Florida has oranges which we can't grow properly here and peaches.
I also have eugenia's and i expect them to fruit early. I'm not Thai but they are the real masters in getting tree's to fruit early and very small. And best of all: They don't have an attitude.
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The grower in the picture told me this morning that the pictured keledang is only 5 years old now from planting out time and was grafted onto jackfruit which stunted it.He now grafts onto keledang and grafted specimens fruit quite quickly.
He advised 5 years is the absolute minimum fruiting time after planting out for seedlings of several similar artocarpus in the Mission Beach and Tully area.10 to 20 years is typical for plants left to their own devices and 5 years is only true with a specific fertilizer regime and fertile soil.Trees in poor soil and never fertilized or getting supplementary dry season water might never fruit. I didn't get the run down on pedalai but they no doubt would take longer.
He does have grafted espaliered durian fruiting within 5 years.These earliest possible times could probably be doubled for what is typical of even well cared for trees.
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Oh yeah the Kwai muks even with extra K,Mg and calcium took 10 years for seedlings to fruit.
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It was a long response from the grower and re reading I will add a few points.He actually does say pedalai takes much longer,keledang is quite fast comparatively and grafted Kwai muks can take 3 years to start.
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I've seen website that have said it should be easy to grow durian in florida. And tons of other ridiculous things. Do what you want bangkok and if by some miracle you get a keledang or pedalai to fruit in 5 years or in a potwe will make you president of the forum and you will rule decree.
I don't get it.
Mike and the Queensland fruitclub say it takes 5 years for keledang.
Loads of Indo/Malay websites tell the same.
And you don't believe it?
No durian doesn't fruit in the USA because it's not the True Tropical climate. Durian also fruits much faster here then in Hawaii. Look at how much fruit is on those indo websites, never heard of those growing on hawaii or florida in the forest. Florida has oranges which we can't grow properly here and peaches.
I also have eugenia's and i expect them to fruit early. I'm not Thai but they are the real masters in getting tree's to fruit early and very small. And best of all: They don't have an attitude.
Did you ever take the minute to notice that Mike said he guessed that it fruited in 5 years? Do you know why he said the word "guess"? Because he's never fruited it himself. Mike also claimed in previous posts that durian should not be hard to fruit in Florida. Yet nobody has ever done it. One night that Adam left his Durio macrantha, the one claimed by Mike to be cold hardiest, it was toast when exposed to only 38F. Mike is a great guy, but he tends to be rather optimistic in his guesses. Also people should note that most of the photos he takes and posts are from fruits he buys at Farmer's markets or from other growers, not from his own backyard. He's said as much many times yet many think he's growing all these fruits in his back yard.
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I have only about 100 trees not counting counting all the smaller ones and veggies and replace non performers routinely.I don't plant giants and easy to get stuff, or what people I know we'll grow if I can get them easily. I have a lot of long term fruit growing friends and the farmers referred to are actually friends or there are long term connections.The people I get fruit from in the market mostly I know reasonably well but I have to buy some fruits. Swapping also gets me a fair bit.
I probably have been optimistic with cold tolerances and time to first fruiting.We all extrapolate from what we have seen read and from what we are told.The durian example was from looking at a large report that evaluated factors including cold tolerance of clones. I see fruiting durians at altitude on the Atherton Tablelands and check the lower temps they must have tolerated.I look at the Miami profile for weather compare to laplae, other places I know and the written material and think why not. Soil aside and how prolonged these temps are I was surprised when Adams macrantha seedling died in 38f.Seedlings in pots may not be the ideal measure.
I have actually seen many trees progress to fruiting from planting and can document exact time frames.The 5 years fro9m planting out until fruiting for mangosteen and durian happened in my yard twice for each.
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Adam should have grown the durian in full soil, not in a pot. Soil temp stays a few degree's warmer under grond. At a depth of about 70-80 cm soil rarely freezes or it has to be in Siberia. In Holland the waterlines are dug 70 cm deep and never freeze.
So now it's Mike fault right?
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Adam should have grown the durian in full soil, not in a pot. Soil temp stays a few degree's warmer under grond. At a depth of about 70-80 cm soil rarely freezes or it has to be in Siberia. In Holland the waterlines are dug 70 cm deep and never freeze.
So now it's Mike fault right?
I don't think he reads what we post
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It takes about four to over six years for a newly planted durian tree to begin to bear fruit. The time depends on the species of the tree. The larger the size of the fruit, the longer the time needed. The tree begins to blossom in early or mid-December and the fruits will be ready for gathering from mid-May to mid-July, again depending on species. The price varies from 25 baht to over 100 baht a kilogram according to the species and the season as well.
http://www.thaiwaysmagazine.com/thai_fruits/thai_fruits_durian.html (http://www.thaiwaysmagazine.com/thai_fruits/thai_fruits_durian.html)
Warning: Asian website! (If you are American you should not believe this info).
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Adam should have grown the durian in full soil, not in a pot. Soil temp stays a few degree's warmer under grond. At a depth of about 70-80 cm soil rarely freezes or it has to be in Siberia. In Holland the waterlines are dug 70 cm deep and never freeze.
So now it's Mike fault right?
Nobody's fool giving more advice to a nurseryman? :o I thought the dodo was already extinct? ;) FYI it was air temperatures that killed Adam's durian plant in Florida, not soil temperature. A few hours of 38F are not going to make soil temperatures go down more than a couple of degrees, especially when it was inside of his greenhouse. I guess you didn't read that post either?? ::)
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Adam should have grown the durian in full soil, not in a pot. Soil temp stays a few degree's warmer under grond. At a depth of about 70-80 cm soil rarely freezes or it has to be in Siberia. In Holland the waterlines are dug 70 cm deep and never freeze.
So now it's Mike fault right?
Nobody's fool giving more advice to a nurseryman? :o I thought the dodo was already extinct? ;) FYI it was air temperatures that killed Adam's durian plant in Florida, not soil temperature. A few hours of 38F are not going to make soil temperatures go down more than a couple of degrees, especially when it was inside of his greenhouse. I guess you didn't read that post either?? ::)
How do you know it wasn't the soil temperature that killed the rootstock? Did you measure it?
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I have only about 100 trees not counting counting all the smaller ones and veggies and replace non performers routinely.I don't plant giants and easy to get stuff, or what people I know we'll grow if I can get them easily. I have a lot of long term fruit growing friends and the farmers referred to are actually friends or there are long term connections.The people I get fruit from in the market mostly I know reasonably well but I have to buy some fruits. Swapping also gets me a fair bit.
I probably have been optimistic with cold tolerances and time to first fruiting.We all extrapolate from what we have seen read and from what we are told.The durian example was from looking at a large report that evaluated factors including cold tolerance of clones. I see fruiting durians at altitude on the Atherton Tablelands and check the lower temps they must have tolerated.I look at the Miami profile for weather compare to laplae, other places I know and the written material and think why not. Soil aside and how prolonged these temps are I was surprised when Adams macrantha seedling died in 38f.Seedlings in pots may not be the ideal measure.
I have actually seen many trees progress to fruiting from planting and can document exact time frames.The 5 years fro9m planting out until fruiting for mangosteen and durian happened in my yard twice for each.
Mike we had a mangosteen farmer from Australia give a talk at a fruit conference here. He told us that of 1000 mangosteen trees he planted on his farm about 5% fruited in five years. About 80% fruited in about 8 years. This was with a very consistent and heavy fertilizer program. In very large populations of trees you can see that there is a big difference from fruiting times of individual precocious trees and the average time it takes most trees to fruit.
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I have only about 100 trees not counting counting all the smaller ones and veggies and replace non performers routinely.I don't plant giants and easy to get stuff, or what people I know we'll grow if I can get them easily. I have a lot of long term fruit growing friends and the farmers referred to are actually friends or there are long term connections.The people I get fruit from in the market mostly I know reasonably well but I have to buy some fruits. Swapping also gets me a fair bit.
I probably have been optimistic with cold tolerances and time to first fruiting.We all extrapolate from what we have seen read and from what we are told.The durian example was from looking at a large report that evaluated factors including cold tolerance of clones. I see fruiting durians at altitude on the Atherton Tablelands and check the lower temps they must have tolerated.I look at the Miami profile for weather compare to laplae, other places I know and the written material and think why not. Soil aside and how prolonged these temps are I was surprised when Adams macrantha seedling died in 38f.Seedlings in pots may not be the ideal measure.
I have actually seen many trees progress to fruiting from planting and can document exact time frames.The 5 years fro9m planting out until fruiting for mangosteen and durian happened in my yard twice for each.
Mike we had a mangosteen farmer from Australia give a talk at a fruit conference here. He told us that of 1000 mangosteen trees he planted on his farm about 5% fruited in five years. About 80% fruited in about 8 years. This was with a very consistent and heavy fertilizer program. In very large populations of trees you can see that there is a big difference from fruiting times of individual precocious trees and the average time it takes most trees to fruit.
We need names, numbers, websites and so on. Who believes info from your thumb?
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There is a fruit grown around Mission Beach that is becoming very well accepted by visitors.
http://www.missionbeachtourism.com/blog/2013/04/29/the-keledang/ (http://www.missionbeachtourism.com/blog/2013/04/29/the-keledang/)
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There is a fruit grown around Mission Beach that is becoming very well accepted by visitors.
http://www.missionbeachtourism.com/blog/2013/04/29/the-keledang/ (http://www.missionbeachtourism.com/blog/2013/04/29/the-keledang/)
The strange thing is that our Indo members who sell the seeds only mention that they are nice, they never mention this one to be excellent or special.
Keledang has less flesh then a pedalai is what i read. I wished the Indo/Malay members replied more on the main forum instead of only selling seeds. I am very interested in their experience in growing fruit.
I pruned my pedalai 2 days ago and it allready has sidebranches now. I will graft some on the big jackfruit tree to see what happens.
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The grower in the picture told me this morning that the pictured keledang is only 5 years old now from planting out time and was grafted onto jackfruit which stunted it.He now grafts onto keledang and grafted specimens fruit quite quickly.
He advised 5 years is the absolute minimum fruiting time after planting out for seedlings of several similar artocarpus in the Mission Beach and Tully area.10 to 20 years is typical for plants left to their own devices and 5 years is only true with a specific fertilizer regime and fertile soil.Trees in poor soil and never fertilized or getting supplementary dry season water might never fruit. I didn't get the run down on pedalai but they no doubt would take longer.
He does have grafted espaliered durian fruiting within 5 years.These earliest possible times could probably be doubled for what is typical of even well cared for trees.
Mike Great pics and info on the keledang
Grafted onto jackfruit sounds like a good thing to do. Do you know if it is a type of normal graft that's done? Or some side,approach, or ?
Our keledang hasn't flowered again...it's on the backside of my outhouse..so I'm thinking its getting some good amounts of fertilizer..35ft. .it's neighbors are encroaching on its sunlight...durian,Mafai, Kwai muk, Thai long kong...now which one do i cull to give light? Hard choices... If I prune keledang will it be happy in partial shade of durian? Should I slowly haircut all trees?
Bangcock and Oscar keep up the good debate:). Maybe we make seperate post "members battle royal". Your guys passion for fruit really inspires me with smiles. I know Oscar is for real. I wonder if opponent is fo real. want to see a pic of you Bangcock. Make sure we can see your pinky finger on both side.
Yea David, push the limits.
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There is a fruit grown around Mission Beach that is becoming very well accepted by visitors.
http://www.missionbeachtourism.com/blog/2013/04/29/the-keledang/ (http://www.missionbeachtourism.com/blog/2013/04/29/the-keledang/)
The taste has a cloying finish? That doesn't sound superb to me. Usually people here use the term cloying as a put down, as in way too sweet.
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My size 11 hoof beside the hairy round pedalai type with the smaller leaves and the big leaf kind is in the other pic.These 2 types are reputed to have the largest and best fruit.There are some keledang in the photo also of the good variety.
Sorry about the bad shots as it is dark here now.
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They are getting eaten by visitors fast and this keledang has missing sections.
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Nice and big pedalai! What is eating the fruits? Do bats eat them?
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Oscar I meant due to poor pollination a keledang was mis-shapen and had reduced sections as you can see in the picture.I have a really big over ripe pedalai kept aside for seeds that dwarfs the rest.Even the small ones of these 2 varieties are a good size.
They come from Peter Selleras who dropped by unexpectedly and on his farm white tailed rats (huge) eat the seeds out of these artocarpus and cassowaries eat them as well.Flying foxes,Nyctimines,striped possums,pigs,rainbow Lorikeets and white cockatoos, cause most fruit grief.
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Tried Pedalai yesterday. It had a caramelized sweet onion taste. Wife's opinion (without tasting) "Why would you want to grow that?"... well, because its different and could be more of a dinner dish than a desert dish.
Was thinking of growing the seeds to graft. Anyone graft the Pedalai? Does it slow the growth, and decrease the number of years to fruiting?
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They are actually sweet and pleasant without any savoury or onion taste going on.Maybe the fruit sampled was not up to par for some reason.
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They are actually sweet and pleasant without any savoury or onion taste going on.Maybe the fruit sampled was not up to par for some reason.
I agree. The pedalai fruit you ate might have been over ripe? Usually pedalai tastes similar to marang, which is very mild subtle taste. Your description of pedalai sounds more like the taste of some kinds of chempadek.
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Hello David,
Just super curious of your Pedalai status and how it is holding up, here in Florida...
Cheers
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That's my pedalai, that I'm growing in florida. That said I know it's a very long shot, I'm building a green house around it for next year. Also that tree is 4-5 years old, and growing in the ground. I don't except fruit anyyyyyyyy time soon if ever.
Oscar, Adolf Grimal had a huge pedalai, but according to. Chris Rollins the tree never fruited possibly due to low humidity and was eventually killed by a hurricane
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I saw they have pedalai in the offer at Excalibur. Have anyone bought from them? Are they grafted?
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I've had the chance to see those, they have a few in 45gal for $450 but they look super pitiful and not healthy at all:( big giant cracks on the trunk and lots of dead wood, maybe one or two branches that are better looking on a 10ft tree. Problem is they keep them out in the open and full sun to burn alive or get the chills in winter.
Meanwhile I'll be babying my couple of seedlings and grow them as ornamentals at least, not expecting any fruit really:)
I saw they have pedalai in the offer at Excalibur. Have anyone bought from them? Are they grafted?