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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kauai White Sugarloaf Pineapples
« on: February 28, 2024, 06:26:37 AM »
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I have to go back to Lowe's tomorrow and I think I'll just plop down the $20. I'll definitely take pics and post the plant, one thing I noticed on the label was no word of "white" on it, so that was one red flag, it just read "sugarloaf".

I saw a couple of those at Home Depot last year but elected not to buy based on price and also the plant being loose in the pot- didn't feel fully rooted.  I ended up ordering some slips instead.  If it is a healthy looking plant maybe it is worth a shot though.

I did purchase one of those just under 2 years ago.  It did have the smooth leaves and produced a pineapple that was a little small but was white and had an edible core.  It was really sweet and virtually no acidic taste.  It produced one offshoot that is growing well and I also planted the top which is doing well.

We liked it so much, I did buy some small shoots from to mail order sources.  One vendor sent some with smooth leaves that are doing well.  Another vendor send some with spiked leaves.  I posted on another site questioning this and received various responses with a few saying there are 2 varieties.  I returned the spiked ones.

I also saw a half dozen that looked pretty sad at our local HD about 3 months ago.  I spoke to the manager there to see if he would discount them and he said they were getting ready to throw them out and gave them to me.  I took those home and repotted them.  Half of them did not make it but the other half are hanging on.

I'll try to take a couple of pics and post them later today.

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When the temperature drops to about 38 to 37 degrees I turn the sprinklers on. You don't want to wait for the temperature to drop too low because the initial irrigation will drop the air temperature in the Grove a couple of degrees. And run it until an hour or so after daylight when the ice melts and falls off. It's also good to do testing running the irrigation before it gets dark and get the ground good and saturated helps. It's a good idea to have a cut off on each riser so if there is a malfunction you don't have to turn the system completely off. I have a filter at the beginning of the Run and also filters on each individual riser

https://www.skyhawkresources.com/category-s/210.htm


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While I do have a shutoff at each tree, I do not have a filter at each one and think that is a great additional "ounce of prevention" idea.  Wobblers can clog so easily and that is an inexpensive additional cold comfort insert!

You have really thought this through and I appreciate your willingness to share!

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It works exceptionally well for frost on bloom. For short duration radiant freezes of 3 to 5 hours it also works well and I've saved bloom fruit let's that have made it to maturity and tasted divine. With advective freeze with wind and overcast the duration is too long. The forecast Christmas Eve 2022 was for when to die down from 15 miles an hour the previous evening to 8 miles an hour. Which irrigation for Frost and freeze production is not recommended over 5 mph. I covered some trees with frost cloth with incandescent lights. Some of the VIP trees got propane heaters. I experimented with two trees with irrigation and because of the long duration those trees were covered in ice for about 9 hours or more because when the sun came up it was overcast and did not melt the ice until around 11:00 a.m. neither one had bloom but lost One good size branch on each tree because of ice load. Dice load got so heavy that PPK top of the canopy literally bent and touched the ground. I just took a photo of that tree so you can see how well it recovered on the left side the height of those banana plants you can see the limb that was lost. I'm totally amazed at the resilience of these mango trees once you get them to a good size with hardwood. So in conclusion when a tree gets too big to cover with frost cloth you're only alternatives are irrigation or propane heaters. So if you do nothing your balloon will get toasted and your outer tip foliage will get freezer burnt. The season that the grumpy BS bully down in Wilmington Palm Beach County got his Bloom toasted on all of his trees and had no fruit that season. I myself saved my bloom from the advice of Galatians and had fruit that season here in old 9B new 10A poppycock



On the left the orange rotorain micro jet sprinkler head with deflector I like on a VIP individual tree 1 ft above the canopy and It cast a umbrella trajectory and covers the tree nicely. For trying to cover multiple trees I use the mini wobbler. If there's any typos I've been up since 5:00 a.m. time to take a nap😒💤




This photo was from a radiant freeze
I have no good solution for an advective freeze other than drunk wrapping and strategically placing propane heaters so the wind carries the Heat through the Grove. Fortunately they don't happen that often and I may have to pick winners and losers but the VIP trees are on the south side of the house so that helps

Thanks so much, Bovine!  I really appreciate the update and am convinced I will be using this method this year as needed.  I already have a good amount of blooms on most of my trees and am really hopeful of having a good mango season going come springtime.  All the best to you!

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21 gallons per hour and with a deflector I think these will work well at the end of a row.
I have learned that I can easily add these to my existing PVC system





Here's a couple of update photos on my mango trees one week after the freeze fruit still hanging







Bovine, I was wondering how the wobblers ultimately worked out for you last season.  Did the mangoes hold and grow and, if so, how did they taste?

With concerns over frost for this winter and all the panicles many of us have already formed, an update about it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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I am looking to purchase a few Sugarloaf Pineapples.  I am looking for plants, I want the pineapples themselves to eat.  I am in Lakeland, FL and based on the price will consider paying for shipping.  I can not travel distances to pick any up if the travel time is more than an hour or so each way for health reasons.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cone-tainers question
« on: August 27, 2023, 06:34:17 AM »
Someone had posted about creating their own tube containers with PVC.  You could use a cheaper material such as irrigation main tubing, too.  Probably cheaper and less tippy than the cone-tainers, and easier to push plants out
While it would be more time consuming initially, why not split the pvc in half then use packaging tape to hold it together for initial use.  Then at transplant time, cut the packaging tape to make removal easier. One can then retape the pvc and reuse.

I have not tried this myself but don't see why it wouldn't work and make removal of the plant easier.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tree labeling
« on: August 27, 2023, 06:24:48 AM »
No association, just thought these looked good and thought may would like to know of this new option.

https://signsfortropicals.com/

Thanks for posting the link, Oceanus.  I am the one doing these engraved signs and they are engraved on a marine grade material that has been used in the marine and other industries for over 20 years.  It is also thicker than many, being 1/4" thick material.  While I had been concentrating on the larger staked signs, I have also started engraving smaller oval hanging identification signs that can have one or two holes for attachment purposes.

If anyone from Tropical Fruit Forum is interested in any of my signs, just contact me for special pricing letting me know you are a member of the forum. 

Here are a few pics of the oval signs.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: NDM vs NDM#4
« on: July 26, 2023, 04:45:58 AM »
I would be interested in hearing a response to this from one of our knowledgeable forum members.  I recall hearing about a couple of other what I call sub varieties.  I believe one was mentioned to me as NDM Sia Tong and there was another mentioned at the same time Nam Doc Mai Si Meung.

My additional questions to this would be if the flavors are very comparable, are there differences in the disease resistance, growth rate, or perhaps fruit production timing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where do you guys buy pots?
« on: July 24, 2023, 04:33:25 AM »
I have found some good used large ones a couple of times on FB Marketplace.  Also, while I have never tried it, I have heard of people searching out Commercial tree installers that are doing local jobs for places that want the instant tree look and asking to buy the pots as the installation is going on.  This also happens with mid to higher end subdivisions.  Find out the location forman for a residence that is getting close to completion and ask who is supplying the landscaping and call them directly.  I understand that some don't even want to be bothered bringing back the empty pots as they are so light and can blow off going down the road becoming a hazard.

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https://youtube.com/shorts/-FNAPje9Trc?feature=share
Interesting info.  From that I just went on the internet and did a search about the NFC chips and it quickly pulled up Alibaba companies selling NFC nails for tree identification.  Then digging a little more, there is information that people have already figured out how to hack that information.
Such a shame that almost as soon as something for potential good is created anymore bad intentions come about to ruin the value of what has been created. 
Sadly in my view, the world population of corrupt individuals that want to find ways to destroy everything that is created for good is growing so fast this world is doomed.  Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now.
Thanks for sharing the good info, Jamesther.

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I like the idea of RFID tags as I want to move towards an agritourism system. The idea would be so that self guided tour guests could get as much info as they want. But someone mentioned the QR code which doesnt require a RFID reader.

Does anyone know if high quality weather resistant QR tags might be available?

This could link to a website or video about the item and be read by anyone with a now ubiquitous cell phone camera.

If you have a specific QR code to try and want to send it to me, I will be happy to try and engrave it with my material, no charge.  The material I use would last for years and only require occasional cleaning with soap and water.

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I bought some round (3cm/1.18inch) ABS plastic tags with a hole that I screwed to the trunk. I used the iPhone app NFC tools to write some info about the tree.

What I originally wanted was credit card sized NFC tags with thermal printed information also for each tree. I didn’t know which printer would work with an ink that lasts outside.
That way I could visually identify and not always use my phone.

Not trying to advertise here, but with you bringing up ABS, which can easily become brittle over time, the signs I custom engrave are done with a dual color Starboard material that has been used in the marine and other industries for over 20 years.  While I do a lot of large staked signs, I also do a couple of small ones in an oval shape that has two holes to be hung from branches.  My original intent for those was for branch identification for cocktail trees but some have been purchasing for use as primary identification as well.

The material has been in use on boats for over 20 years and being engraved there are no concerns about fading or even becoming brittle like many plastics.

I was bringing up the RFID tags as a more reliable permanent identification in the event surface tags get lost or switched around by accident as the plants move from location to location, etc.  Being buried within the root structure early on, my thinking is it would tend to stay there as the roots grow around it.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Permanent Tree and Plant Identification
« on: July 20, 2023, 05:39:29 AM »
I recently started engraving signs for plants as an attractive long term method for plant identification and the only potential issue is if the sign is moved.

But, I am seeing more and more postings over the internet about people purchasing one variety of a fruit only to find years later that the tree or plant is a different variety.  While I am too old to start yet another business, I had a thought of something for nurseries and more particularly commercial growers that perhaps someone would be interested in picking up and running with so to speak.

Passive RFID tags can be accessed for many years, up to 20 as I understand, without any maintenance.  They can also be made to withstand extremely harsh conditions and, in quantity, are very inexpensive.  Why couldn't a grower or commercial nursery simply bury one near the base of each plant they start.  As the plant or tree grows and is transplanted, generally the initial root structure is not disturbed so the RFID tag would go with it easily and remain active for at least 10 to 20 years.  Since many growers are grafting or growing multiples of specific varieties at a time, burying the RFID tag could easily be placed in the very early stages.

Something like this would validate what the grower or nursery is selling to significantly improve the assurance that as the plant or tree is purchased there becomes no issue if the outside identification tag falling off and trying to figure out what the tree or plant really is.

As I said earlier, I am far too old to start another business but I truly believe that if a larger grower would implement this many others would follow and, while very inexpensive, could eliminate a lot of issues over time.

I would be interested in hearing thoughts on this from growers, grafters and others in the industry.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cocktail Trees
« on: July 06, 2023, 05:50:25 AM »
I have been engraving signs for tropicals for a bit now and among what I am doing are a couple of sizes of oval signs to hang on branches for identification on cocktail trees.  These signs are engraved on a 1/4" thick type of plastic that has been used with great success in the marine industry for over 20 years and will not become brittle or fade over time.

If someone has a cocktail tree with about 4 or 5 different grafted branches that would be interested in trying these signs, I would be willing to make some up and send them to you and only ask in return that you send me a pic of the tree showing the signs and, if you like them, post a little something somewhere about them.  There will be no charge to you.

Please message me or email me at jagmanjoe@gmail.com if interested.

This is a pic of a sample of what I am doing.




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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 🥭Mangos for sale 🥭
« on: June 23, 2023, 01:33:33 PM »
Now, this is a box of Mangoes.  Some ready to eat and many will be ripening in the coming days.  We already had a Guava that was ready.  I thought we didn't care for Guava Mango from a previous experience.  We were so wrong to have thought that.  This one was amazing! Two layers of great Mangoes!

Thank you so much, Frank.  Somehow you keep outdoing yourself over the several years we have been purchasing!





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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 🥭Mangos for sale 🥭
« on: June 19, 2023, 06:15:54 AM »
Sent a PM and looking forward to receiving more of your amazing mangoes!

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I am trying for the Amazon Organza Bags for peaches and nectarines.  When ordering, I have found they offer one type that has a pull string on one side and another that has pull strings on both sides.  The ones with pull strings on both sides are significantly easier for tying off over the branch.  I am primarily using them for bugs.




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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: CUSTOM TROPICAL PLANT SIGNS
« on: April 19, 2023, 04:02:23 AM »
I have seen these in person and they are really really beautiful and well made..it can last for at least 100 years if not more!

Thanks for your kind words, Mannadiars!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: CUSTOM TROPICAL PLANT SIGNS
« on: April 17, 2023, 07:37:54 PM »
My exact thoughts, K-Rimes! Those are beautiful, Jagmanjoe!

Thanks Fliptop!


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: CUSTOM TROPICAL PLANT SIGNS
« on: April 17, 2023, 07:36:20 PM »
These are way rad. I have so many plants though, good lord, would be at least a $1k bill.

I hope many people buy from you though, these are beautiful.

Thanks so much for your compliment, K.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / CUSTOM TROPICAL PLANT SIGNS
« on: April 17, 2023, 12:11:50 PM »
  I have started machining custom tropical plant signs.

The standard signs are 5.50" wide and 2.25" high.  They are machined from marine grade material that is 1/4" thick for additional stability and durability.

These signs are engraved, not printed and currently I am only machining these in the green color showing in the pictures with the white text.  This color combination is good for visibility without showing a lot of dust and dirt.  They can easily be cleaned with a little soap and water.

The top of the mounting post is aluminum and angled at the top for improved viewing.  Stainless steel fasteners are included to attach the sign to the mounting post.

Standard 2 line signs similar to those shown are $9.00 each plus shipping.  Signs like this which include only the plant type and variety will be the same pricing.

Please contact me about pricing for signs similar to the picture showing grafting or other additional text.

It is best to contact me via email jagmanjoe@gmail.com with any questions including payment, shipping costs, etc.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango April bloom
« on: April 13, 2023, 06:28:40 AM »
In Lakeland, FL and have an Ice Cream Mango that produced panicles like crazy in December.  That batch was destroyed and then a second bloom came along that was mostly male panicles but I do have about 40 walnut size mangoes formed.

Now it is starting to generate another bloom of panicles.  Pics of a couple but several more starting.

I also have a small potted Carrie that is just pushing panicles.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Late Season Cold Snap
« on: March 21, 2023, 06:59:06 PM »
At around what temps do mango flowers get wrecked? I’d assume anything above 40 is good correct?
Lost all stone fruit crops and persimmons this year from frost.

Frost is a real tough one here as well.  If the moisture in the air is higher than the temperature itself, frost can occur well above freezing as I understand it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Late Season Cold Snap
« on: March 21, 2023, 06:54:52 PM »
Wow, 38 degrees for you, my low was 42 and I think the forecast was 48 if i recall.. you really are in a cold pocket..

Never thought about it until the cold started hitting.  We are in a valley like low area near County Line and Ewell.  Not only are we in a cold pocket but after moving in I immediately planted over a dozen mango and other fruit trees to also find that even though our property is sloped, standing water is insane here.  I fought standing water around the trees for a couple of years and finally hand dug close to 300 ft of trench to install perforated pipe which is helping to move the water away.

I am really hoping that this cold triggers some additional panicles and subsequent fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Late Season Cold Snap
« on: March 21, 2023, 08:04:19 AM »
I am hoping that this late season cold snap doesn't negatively affect what is on the trees here in Lakeland, FL.  I thought we were beyond the cold for the year but last night was even colder than expected.  It hit 38.1 for a couple of hours early this morning.





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