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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrtaceae
« on: April 03, 2021, 07:27:28 PM »
Well, I know I shouldn't do rainforest plums (E. candolleana) or cloves (S. aromaticum). Any other recommendations of what I should avoid/try (jaboticaba perhaps?)? Thanks!
The rainforest plums (E. candolleana) grows fine here.
Sundrop (E. victoriana) and Blue jaboticaba on the other hand are pretty hard to impossible.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrtaceae
« on: March 29, 2021, 11:26:39 PM »
Lots of them are totally doable. Any specific species you're interested in? To see examples, check out Prusch park in San Jose and Quarry Lakes in Fremont.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cotton-N-Candy Aprium Cuttings
« on: January 29, 2021, 11:27:49 PM »
This is a patented variety so unless you have some special arrangement with the patent owner sale of Cot-N-Candy aprium is pretty illegal.

Expires Jan 18 2026

It's a waste of time to grow mangos if you have limited space. They will live because it doesn't get too cold but they will barely grow and the fruit will be tiny. You may never get fruit or you might eventually get some.
In my opinion many better fruit to try growing first
That being said - I'm in same climate down by Monterey and I am growing mangos but I've given up hope of ever getting a ripe fruit.

Hey wyattp11, we must be neighbors, I'm in Pacific Grove as well. Will have to catch up and see what you're growing - I'm growing just about everything

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Membership
« on: March 19, 2020, 01:15:58 AM »
Me too!

You'd be amazed at how many plants you can cram into a large cossover or SUV. My Prius V fit 1 15-gallon, 8 5-gallon and numerous smaller plants plus our luggage. Definitely load up at Exotica, lots of smaller plants that you can easily fit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wampee and cherimoya from seeds
« on: July 27, 2019, 02:01:02 AM »
Rutaceae has a lot of different plants... but wampee seedling vs curry leaf is indistinguishable to me.  Here's wampee seedling on bottom and curry leaf clone on top.

Those both look like curry leaf. Wampee leaf structure is different. You can be sure if you run the leaves and they smell similar. Wampee leaves don't smell strongly

How many years to fruit the Maqui?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: April 11, 2019, 12:20:05 AM »
Any place we can order a Cali grown fruit?! I have paid as much as $24 a lb for some imported mangosteens.

We'll likely have a limited quantity of California grown fruit this year for sale in select Bay area locations. Visit to stay updated when we announce, probably in May or June.  8)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to hunt for fruit in California?
« on: November 16, 2016, 03:38:11 PM »
Not sure how I never heard of the Tropical Fruits store in San Jose... and I've driven right by there.

Not a lot ripe in January other than citrus. In January are the annual CRFG scion exchanges which are a sight to behold for fruit growers. Occasionally, someone brings in something fun to taste.

Another interesting place in NorCal to try fruit is Berkeley Bowl in Oakland, they sometimes have something unusual. They usually have the most cultivars of the common fruit to. Usually 20+ varieties of apples, should have close to that many varieties of mandarins. Plus they are all labelled by cultivar.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any good nursery in Kauai, HI?
« on: November 01, 2016, 08:37:54 PM »
I'll be there in December fruit hunting as well. Farmer's markets tend to be the best source on Kauai, not really any established stores with a regular rare fruit supply.
You can often get island grown dragon fruit in the market but it will cost exorbitantly more than you would expect.

A local CRFG member just visited me and showed me pictures of a mango tree growing in front of a motel near Santa Clara University.  The tree looked healthy, probably 10 feet tall and very bushy (maybe as wide as tall), and had many fruits hanging.  He said the Indian family that owns the motel planted the tree quite a number of years back, and gets fruit every year.  He said that there is another motel down the road that also is likely owned by the same family, also with a fruiting mango.  They also have a fruiting Jamun tree.

I visited a place in Palo Alto a few years ago with a 15' tall curry leaf planted by an Indian family. It was absolutely lush and very leafy. I've also spotted a random fruiting wampee tree on the Stanford campus that appears to be thriving for several years despite complete neglect.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Subtropicals for California Zone 9
« on: August 19, 2016, 12:06:41 AM »
Great list! I see several more fruit I need to add to my collection.
Thought I would add a few more that I haven't seen in any of the posts so far based on my experiences. I have several years of growing experience in the palo alto area and monterey area. Neither of which get too hot but they also don't get too cold. Right now I'm growing in Redwood City and starting a new plot in Pacific Grove.

Fuchsia (Denticulata, Boliviana, Procumbens, Splendens, others)
Perekia sp. (aculeata, bleo, grandifolia)
Halleria lucida
Lardizabala biternata
Stauntonia hexaphylla
Yerba Mate
Camellia Sinensis (Tea)
Natal Plum
Leycesteria formosa (Pheasant Berry)
Vitis rotundifolia (Muscadine)
Nylandtia spinosa (Tortoise berry)

Dovyalis Hebecarpa (Ketembilla)
Curry Leaf
Vasconcellea sp. (papaya relatives, i.e. babaco)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Places to visit in South Florida
« on: June 26, 2012, 05:06:43 PM »
Would be great if i have a page i can give people to look up. I just made a list of places to visit on Big Island for a visitor from California. I forget now how many times i've done this for visitors??? Gets kinda olde. Murahilin, you should break the list down by each individual island: Oahu, Kauai, Molokai, Lanai, Maui, and Hawaii (Big Island).

Oscar, I was planning on using you as my source. Lol

If you still have the list you made for a visitor from CA can you please send me a copy? Thanks. I will divide it up by island... also, what is the easiest way to get from island to island?

Yeah, i figured!  ::) I don't mind being the source because i'd rather just do it once, and have the link to give to people in the future. The easiest, and ONLY way, to get from island to island is to fly. There are 2 airlines that fly interisland: Hawaiian and Go!

Did you ever get around to posting this?  :D
Just booked a flight with my family to Hawaii for August (Oahu, Maui, Hawaii) and I of course need to see every single great fruit related thing in Hawaii.  ;D

I've seen them at the arboretums here (Santa Cruz and San Francisco) but I have never seen any fruit on them despite them having several large plants. So even if they are (maybe) tasty, they aren't prolific. I've never seen them for sale here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any CRFG Members here?
« on: June 11, 2012, 02:00:50 PM »
California is Mediterrainean weather so anything that don't normally grow in this area or this climate would be rare by CRFG standard. I agree there are meetings that feel too "normal".

Blueberries and pawpaw were rare because they didn't normally grow in places like San Diego. But these days with the antioxidant food popularity seems like every gardener in California is growing several blueberry bushes of some Southern Highbush or Rabbiteye varieties.
Up here in northern california the typical 'rare' is simply rare cultivars of temperate fruit, citrus and avocados. Nothing wrong with that, I love growing stone fruit, but I wish more members were interested in going beyond stone fruit and apples. There are a few growing white sapote and cherimoyas and still fewer (like myself) growing rarer things.
This September the Festival of Fruit is going to be amazing. It will be in Santa Rosa held concurrent with the National Heirloom Expo which was a huge event last year for those interested in heirloom varieties and annual crops from seed.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any CRFG Members here?
« on: June 08, 2012, 05:13:07 PM »
does joining main organization for $25 allow access to my local chapter OR do I have to pay local chapter, in this case they want $4/yr.  OR is it that its $25 to join CFRG plus chapter fees of $4?
The $27 gets you the electronic issue of Fruit Gardener for a year and State Membership
The local membership is independent (i.e. another $4).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any CRFG Members here?
« on: June 08, 2012, 01:01:11 PM »
If I join CRFG, how do I know which chapters meet where? I am allowed to go to any one of these correct? I dont see the full calender of meetings, I think I will participate in it for sure, will get to meet folks from this group as well.
There is the chapter map:
State membership gets you the magazine.
Each local chapter usually runs its own membership which ranges from $5-$15. Some chapters are small (~30 people) with some being large (~200).
I'm a member of the Santa Clara and Monterey Bay chapters since 2008 when I bought a house and got the fruit obsession.
You can join any local chapter you want and like me can join multiple. Joining multiple chapters sometimes has its benefits such as special fruit tastings and early admittance to scion exchanges along with the chapter meetings.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Obsessed with Fruit
« on: June 08, 2012, 12:55:29 PM »
You know you're obsessed when you have over 100 different cultivars of mango.

I'd have to hire a landscaping company to take out all the weeds though before it would be suitable for television. So I cast my vote to Harry  ;). Plus his trees are bigger and producing.

I would define degrees of pathological obsession in the following way:
Mild obsession: 20 mango trees or less
Moderate obsession: 20-50 mango trees
Advanced obsession: 50-100 mango trees
Ready for the luny farm: over 100 mango trees!  ;)
What about us Californians who can't grow mangoes? Up here in the CRFG we have those with 600+ different apple cultivars. A person with ~200 different citrus cultivars. And of course here in California we have the enigmatic David Karp who, although I'm not sure if he is personally growing anything, is definitely invested in rare fruit and mega-obsessed with rare fruit.

Tim got the same ones at my local Costco last week. They are pretty good, better than the Ranch 99 ones I got a few weeks ago.
Though I'm not a true lycheeluva because they are still sitting in my fridge.  ;)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruits of Peru
« on: June 06, 2012, 04:07:21 PM »
The policy is you're not allowed to bring fresh fruits into USA from other countries without treatment.  Dried fruit, canned fruit, jarred fruit should be ok. I suppose you might be able to get some seeds through in the dried fruit category.

That gave me an idea. Find someone in the country with a canning machine and can the fresh fruit or just the seeds without heat treatment, it should look like a regular can. Stick on a label from some other canned fruit. If they scan it it just looks like canned fruit. Then it should be ok to bring back, no questions asked.
As for the legality of it....  ;)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Restrictions on patented varieties
« on: June 06, 2012, 04:02:08 PM »
Plant patents should be respected, the effort that typically goes into breeding costs $$$$ and in order to continue their breeding programs they need to make back that $$$$ with the small $ they get from selling the patented varieties. Everyone wins with plant patents because the breeders continue to have a means to recoup R&D costs and the public gets superior varieties.
Murahilin already posted a link to my US plant patent spreadsheet above but looking at it you will notice few subtropicals. I think this is due to most of the US being unable to grow subtropicals along with an undiscerning public which still thinks a Tommy Atkins is what a mango is supposed to be.
In general few of the patented plants are even consumer varieties anyways, they are often commercial bred varieties optimized to commercial growing (ships well, even ripening period, little blemishing, etc.) not to home growing (taste!).

Now as far as anyone enforcing the plant patents... nobody is going to come to your home over you reproducing a single patented variety, its only worth it to go after commercial growers and sellers. I remember that some people here in the CRFG have wanted to graft on some patented scions and were willing to pay the patent owner but they weren't setup to take money from a home grower.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Water Storing Crystals
« on: May 24, 2012, 12:41:01 PM »
Don't bother with them. They can theoretically be dangerous on edibles due to Acrylimide produced, but they should in practice be non-toxic.
I've looked into them a lot personally and have a slew sitting around for work related stuff. They aren't worth the bother, use perlite and appropriate soil instead for water retention in containers. In the ground use lots of mulch.

Great article on them

Funny this topic came up. Was taking a walk on the Stanford college campus last night and spotted a citrus relative plant by the mausoleum. Upon closer examination of a fading attached aluminum it was a wampi, thriving here since 2008 in an obscure location.
Really nice that wampi thrives here in Northern california. When I finished my walk it was too dark to go back to the tree for scions, but I may have to make another visit to the tree  8)
Commercially I don't think Wampi is available in California, and if it is in southern california I wouldn't want anyone bringing it to northern california.
There is a Wampi collector a few miles from my place whose number I got ages ago but never called, may have to give him a call and see if I can get a plant.

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