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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherilata taste test.
« on: March 18, 2022, 05:36:23 PM »
Time will tell but am hearing reports that pond apple as the rootstock for cherilata isn't as good as reticulata rootstock. Flavor and coloring have been affected negatively compared to when grafted onto reticulata.

Try to get an 'Azadi'. Most pomegranates that do well in Florida are ideally for juicing.

I think that getting a decent yield requires planting the seed within 2-5 days from removal from the fruit, similar to mangosteen.
yeah I have been trying to get some cherapu plants or seeds for years but they are never available.  Oscar/Fruitlovers had seeds once but I couldn't get any to germinate.

I will try to source some female scions as a backup plan. With Luc's, I managed to beat the odds and am 5 for 5 female. I am not sure how well any other species will work for a rootstock long term.  I have some seashore mangosteen, madruno, achachairu, and Luc's in 3 gals. I have not had much luck with grafting unless I graft to the central leader and cut back the rootstock. Grafts take but the growth is super slow or non-existent after a push or two and the scion gets overtaken by the rootstock. 

I could mail you some female flowers and it would probably work. I wonder if you could store/preserve the pollen and for how long it'd be viable. Edit: nevermind, morning brain fog. You'll need female flowers to be pollinated not male to be pollinated

I can eventually get you some female scions from ny tree if you can't find elsewhere. You could just graft the female onto the male tree. Seashore mangosteen should work too. John Painter is experimenting grafting cherapu onto many different garcinia species so should know more about compatibility in the coming years.

Lemon drop for garcinia and rain forest plum for Eugenia. Both fruit quick. RFP is very good and fruits two or more times per year.

E. Selloi has made my eyes tear from being too sour. The fruit was orange and on the ground. Normally, they are just overly sour, but in an unpleasant way. Cas guava or garcinia xanthochymus can pack the same sour punch but are more enjoyable. I am not sure the forget about them and eat them a few days later trick will work here with high humidity.

Pitomba would be my choice after RFP.

My second choice for garcinia is Luc's.  It will take longer to fruit and you need male and female but fruits are much better and larger than lemon drop. Luc's takes an 4 - 7 years to flower from seed.  Buy a few 3 or 7 gal trees. Clip the central leader and it will usually send out two new leaders. Graft the new leaders, one with male and the other female. Even with grafting, it may take 3+ years

Cherapu has been expensive to source and challenging to grow. All the seeds I have purchased have been trash. I just lost a 6 year old tree to wind exposure.  One of my trees flowered for the first time a few weeks ago at 8 or 9 years old. Now I need another tree to be female and flower at the same time.

I could mail you some female flowers and it would probably work. I wonder if you could store/preserve the pollen and for how long it'd be viable. Edit: nevermind, morning brain fog. You'll need female flowers to be pollinated not male to be pollinated

Homeowners with just one to a few trees should be able to manage if their trees get infested, trim and spray sulfur at proper intervals. As long as you don't have a nearby property that gets infested your trees should be OK. The mite is still alive and well on Pine island.

Price/lb always goes up during years of low production but the mite issue will only add to the price going forward.

Get ready for local prices of lychee to sky rocket. Not only is it a bad year but many trees here are infested with lychee erinose mite. Whichever farmers are willing to put the work in to manage and keep them clean are going to rightfully demand a pretty penny for the fruit.

For garcinia species, roblack is right, I've had garcinia intermedia (lemon drop) seedlings fruit after just going into 7gal containers and about 3.5 ft tall. Brasiliensis seedlings more about 4-5ft, 7gal to 15gal size. Charichuelo seedlings more like 7-8ft and 25gal.

You can fruit any species fairly quickly in a container if you have stock to graft on and can source compatible budwood from a fruiting tree.

Another good garcinia for containers is garcinia prainiana (cherapu). But I would not consider them to be a "beginner" species because the seeds need to be fairly fresh, you need to have male and female trees, they're pretty slow going, and you're still looking at 4-8ft tall,  25gal size trees before they're ready to flower and show their sex. They're also cold and sun sensitive. They like warmth, humidity, and semi shade. But the fruit is amazing and compared to purple mangosteen seedlings, which generally need to be about 10-12ft tall and much older to start producing fruit, they're easier.

When I was in Cancun I took a day trip out to Coba and found lemon drop mangosteen, sugar apple and guaya (genip). Enjoy the trip, beautiful place. Agree with Raul, check out Xcaret if you can.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lara Farms tree source
« on: March 12, 2022, 09:49:18 PM »
Is the Lara farms everyone discusses her the one that's 3 miles north of the fruit and spice park?  Stopped by today and besides some beautiful established trees all I saw was a smattering of mango trees all like 20gal.

Yes, they have a separate area for smaller trees like 1/3/7gallon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which vigorous mango tree to choose?
« on: March 11, 2022, 06:38:55 PM »
Phoenix has been more vigorous than Sunrise for me.

You're right on with your analysis. Some people have a pretty sweet side gig / hobby income and it's not worth risking their sales to the other 48 in exchange for a couple CA bucks. If you get tagged by CA for this, there are fines, magnifying glass on your future shipments, etc

Yep. I've shipped to California before. A few shipments made it through without issue. One ended up getting confiscated and I received a stern warning letter from California.

Its possible to ship plants to California but shippers have to be approved to do so. Requires inspection and approval. Most shippers would rather not deal with the hassle so they decide no shipping to certain states.


Could be areca nut/betel nut, areca catechu. I don't think it's pejibaye, even spineless pejibaye don't have that green trunk between rings.

How reliable of a seller is this person?

If they're from Jim West in Ecuador as I suspect, he's very reliable. I've ordered giant mulchi in the past from him and they sprouted fine even with the long transit including usda inspection along the way.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lara farms = awesome
« on: February 24, 2022, 01:12:30 PM »
Julian Lara is a good guy and seller.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sapodilla recommendation?
« on: February 24, 2022, 09:59:53 AM »
Butterscotch is the best I've tasted. Saps don't really have a tartness.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Major mango bloom
« on: February 23, 2022, 07:28:02 PM »
From the first blooms before the cold snap: some varieties held on to blooms and fruit and some didn't.

Now after the cold snap: everything is pushing hard and fast! Even the trees that held on to that first bloom through the cold snap are pushing out new ones now. Looks like a good year now.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: growing Sweet Tamarind
« on: February 14, 2022, 12:51:59 PM »
I have a sweet one Richard from Excalibur called "Vietnamese pink" and it is growing pretty fast. Fruited lightly a few times already, about 10ft tall.

There is a giant one in Key West at Mallory Square. The trunk is probably 6ft diameter.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant ID Garcinia?
« on: February 13, 2022, 11:30:57 AM »
Garcinia aristata, Cuban mangosteen

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bombay-esque Mango Flavor
« on: February 13, 2022, 10:29:21 AM »
Try a Sunrise if you can

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: More pictures from Colombia
« on: February 12, 2022, 03:23:05 PM »
Thanks for sharing, was this in Medellin or Cali or Bogota?

Medellin. The best market in the city is at Plaza Minorista.

Brian, the mangosteens are around $2-3 per kilo. I eat at least a couple kilos per day while I am here  :)

Thanks. Did you check out the botanical garden there? Supposed to be top notch.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: More pictures from Colombia
« on: February 11, 2022, 08:16:41 PM »
Thanks for sharing, was this in Medellin or Cali or Bogota?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I grow Jackfruit in a pot?
« on: February 08, 2022, 01:53:57 PM »
Probably more realistic in a 45 or 90+gal. I've seen Excalibur fruit them in giant containers.

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