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Wow, Adam, you've hit it again what kind of ratio are you running with early flowering seedling! You the man! :)

i didn't do anything special Robert.  It was more luck than anything, because i planted over 100, and only about 2 of them flowered so early, this one is much shorter than the other tho, maybe by 3x...it's the smallest Plinia ive ever seen put on a flower, if it sets fruit, it will be laughable to look at.

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i think about 2.5-3yr, but i lost track, so it could be older....

no it's just random chance, I've planted over 50 easy, and only one other flowered so soon, but it's 4x taller.

yes it's a seedling of anomaly, but i haven't had any of the others flower this soon, so small http://youtu.be/A-sKyEq2ga0

So, jokes aside, how old is the anomaly Jr?

Do anything experimental to help it induce, or just happen randomly?

Very nice find indeed.

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lol nobody cares anymore....it's all about those aroids now....

Aroids aren't too shabby in their own right.   ;D


true, are there any good aroid boards you can recommend?  I need something that's non-fruiting, that i can keep in the house and stare at.

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lol nobody cares anymore....it's all about those aroids now....

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yes it's a seedling of anomaly, but i haven't had any of the others flower this soon, so small http://youtu.be/A-sKyEq2ga0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: February 26, 2021, 12:59:58 PM »

that sabara hybrid from PIN

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: February 25, 2021, 05:25:23 PM »





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: February 22, 2021, 09:21:51 PM »
look unto this one












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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Those are not lizard turds
« on: February 16, 2021, 04:16:25 PM »
nice cluster of anole scat there hass

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« on: February 08, 2021, 06:23:58 PM »
small grafted anomaly with blooms made it through freezes in little protected area








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Peculiar Flowers of a Eugenia uniflora
« on: January 30, 2021, 01:58:05 PM »
Here are some pics, note the shape of the anthers, the petal count, and of course the size.

I put a normal black pitanga flower in the pic to show them side by side.








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some pics of grafted anomaly trees, each pic represents an individual flowering tree (there’s about 12 of them here grafted flowering out of 16 total).
















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I have noticed that many fruit species can have precocious individuals that fruit at a much smaller size. Could it be either a Red Hybrid or Red which are known to fruit at small sizes? This could just be a bit smaller than usual.If we forget that they are nearly all hybrids anyway that would make it a M. cauliflora. I have a feeling that most dwarfs are a form of aureana or cauliflora.

couldnt disagree more...but i see how you might say that, being you're on the other side of the planet, and have never grown this variety, or seen it in person...

if it's just a red seedling that precocious, why does it behave differently in terms of heat resistance?  why do all the seedlings that arise from the mother tree have foliage that is easily discernible from the red?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plinia sp. "Anomaly" new Jabuticaba variety
« on: December 27, 2020, 05:07:01 PM »
update on mother tree.... https://youtu.be/NioHp075ceQ

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing persimmon in FL
« on: December 25, 2020, 10:30:46 AM »
I was hoping to get some advice on growing persimmons in FL. I hear they are pretty hit or miss.

I currently have a south florida/Hudson persimmon.

I just ordered a few small trees. Fuyu, chocolate and hachiya. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

easiest fruit tree to grow, i believe they graft them onto native roots stock, here they fruit and grow with absolutely zero help.

Hudson/South FL, probably my best fruiting variety, compact, heavy fruiter.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold protection tropicals
« on: December 22, 2020, 02:21:26 PM »
cold protection for a freeze in FL, sub tropical and tropical plants here.

https://youtu.be/Z04IQSI1BQo

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kwai Muk (Artocarpus sp.) Varieties
« on: December 14, 2020, 11:54:47 AM »
Improved Plant Regeneration Method for Artocarpus lakoocha  (seeds i got from Oscar years ago, now a tree with fruits setting, even after 25F, dying back to the ground, now 10ft tall approx, 8yrs old?)

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s42535-019-00041-4/figures/1

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 11, 2020, 04:24:50 PM »
hard to get excited about a phitrantha hybrid, that looks just like the parent, especially when you already have over 10 varieties of that species....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 11, 2020, 04:20:59 PM »
but you do realize when you plant phitrantha seeds, they come up looking highly variable, in terms of foliage, and growth habit?  Some more upright, some more weepy and bushy...leaves of all sizes, some smaller than red, some larger than the parent.

i think my wolf analogy fits the needs of this situation, but as I've said before, I sent over 5 species to be analyzed for genetic markers, and they all appeared to be the same.

if they are capable of interbreeding and producing viable offspring, (that appears fairly stable when planted from seed afterwards) it seems like lines between species and variety are blurred.

they're all wolves to me, and the varieties/species that graft onto sabara are like other dogs, that can breed with a wolf.

https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/Jaboticaba-Costada-Myrciaria-phitrantha.htm
Adam Thank you for your input. Please see the link to find out what the dwarf costada variety is specifically and how it is being sold by nurseries. When you raised this name I thought you were referring to this which I have along with several other Phitrantha varieties. Being such a widely accepted and distributed Phitrantha I thought you were using that as a reference point.


Here is the tree in question and it is quite  unlike my phitranthras, My point about parentage especially of hybrids like scarlet or red hybrid is that their precise origins are unknown and parents seem to be speculative. Many of the suspected hybrids may be just random variation in the created species that don't exist in the wild.The wolf analogy just doesn't fit.
Sure get excited about crosses from more distantly related ones but remember the phenotypic plasticity of them means you can't look at them and know their genetic similarity.
The Brazilian from which I received them is a genuine jab heavyweight with a big collection and he advised there was no mistake in the seeds I received when I enquired afterwards and the case for outcrossed plants is a good one. The male parent if that is the case could be any one of maybe 50 or more varieties he has nearby.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 11, 2020, 12:23:11 PM »
It is raining too much for me to go outside and take a pic of my tree. It is over 10 feet tall now so almost as tall as my scarlets, upright in form and the fruit are perhaps more ribbed also than costada. It would be interesting to know the parentage and origins of costada.

the parentage of "costada"?

that is just a generic term for all phitranthas,

so like asking what is the parentage of a wolf....a wolf.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A special jaboticaba
« on: December 11, 2020, 12:18:30 PM »
i get excited, when i see attributes in the suspect hybrid, that I haven't seen in the parents....

for instance, the strange structure of these blooms, on a suspect Red x Grimal...

















and of course, the Kimber's Hybrid (Red x Grimal), this tree is maybe one of the finest tasting Plinias I've ever had, but I don't like to talk it up too much, I've only eaten less than 20 fruits.



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