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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: January 25, 2012, 10:20:45 PM »
Hi Simon, how are the tazziberries (chilean guavas) tasting?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I have a disease! Need ID
« on: January 25, 2012, 06:14:03 PM »
That is truly bizzare. I wonder if it could be some type of egg layed by cateripillar or other bug? Does your camera do ultra macro closeups?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Banana Book
« on: January 25, 2012, 06:08:11 PM »
To rectaromefer or not to refractomefer, that is the question!  ;)  Honestly, this book is a gold mine, can't wait to get off this stupid computer and actually read it. HAHA  I suspect it's the best banana book ever printed, or will be printed for a long time to come. My congratulations and kudos to Angela Kepler!!!
Angela and hubby visited me here about 10 years ago. She told me she was also working on a tropical fruit book! Told me she wanted to cover a lot of species and also all the cultivars! She is very ambitious lady!  Told me it would take her about 10+ years. Please pray that Angela lives a long time!!! If she does it will be like Morton Pt. 2, new and improved, full color photos. I should phone her and see if it's coming along?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what species you've airlayered?
« on: January 25, 2012, 06:01:43 PM »
I just said that to counteract your tendency to make everything sound super complex. I don't want to scare anyone off. But really doing air layers is super simple. Even i can do it. So that proves it. HAHA
Really the most difficult part is assemblying all the materials you need to do the airlayers: I use
a) 5 gallon bucket with some 1/8 filled with water
b) some sphagnum moss soaking on bottom of bucket
c) a knife to cut and peel off cambium layer
d) aluminum foil, or plastic, or both. (Some people use here a layer of plastic and then foil over that.)
e) if you use plastic you will need some ties. You can use string or wire.
f) the will power to do it, toughest ingredient to materialize!
g) and ofcourse a willing plant victim. But don't be afraid you won't hurt them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Raised pineapple beds a success!
« on: January 25, 2012, 05:54:57 PM »
Gwenn, Once they start coloring up yellow you can pick them. Yes they will be sweeter if you let them get fully yellow on the plant. But you also run the risk of varmints eating them. If your pineapple was fully colored then it was ripe. It may not have tasted good due to lack of proper ferts., bad cultivar. Ripeness is not the only factor in quality.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Scientific equipment
« on: January 25, 2012, 05:51:55 PM »
Thanks for the utube video murahilin. Now i'm dying to test my bunny love carrots!  :D  Seriously, am i going to have to get one of these gadgets just to keep up with you guys? Will i look bad if you know the brix readings of your fruits and i don't?  :'(  Should i spend the $150 for a digital refractometer or for another 25 bags of chicken manure? My plants vote for the manure! My intellectual/acquiring mind votes for the brix instrument. Who will win? Only time will tell.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / New Banana Book
« on: January 25, 2012, 05:40:25 PM »
I just got the new banana book by Angela Kepler. I've only glanced through it, but it seems like a real masterpiece!  :-* It's a large format book, like Morton's, and also encyclopedic in nature, 585 pages but has lots more color photos throughout, lots of charts, and seems very well organized so anyone can understand it. I think Angela spent about 10 years reasearching this one. A real beaut! Bad news is that it's only available hard cover and it's not cheap: $80. No, i'm not selling it.  ;D But i'm glad i forked over the bucks. I'm very pleased! Only available through University of Hawaii press:
There is a lot of original work done on the Hawaiian type bananas, previously unclassified, but includes all bananas, even including some of the ornamental ones.
Will give more detailed report when i fully delve into it. But it's the kind of book that might take me 10 years to fully absorb. Tons of information!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what species you've airlayered?
« on: January 25, 2012, 05:21:19 PM »
I added some comments inside of Adam's comments below:


Here in south FL, (well not here I'm in Central FL) and not sure where this tree is (although almost certain South FL)...the birds think what ever is in a foil wrapper is a damn sandwich! and they have a habit of disturbing regular shiny aluminum foil!!!

Birds here don't bother foil if it's thick, that is why i use double layer. Guess it all depends on what type of birds you have? Maybe you have wood peckers over there? HAHA

 Chris Rollins, advised that you don't need aluminum foil as a cover, and you can use only plastic (best to use thicker gauge, heavier plastic than saran wrap).

I advise people to use foil because it is by far the easiest to put on, and there is no need to tie it, like with plastic. Also i don't think it's good for sun to bake through the plastic. So if you do use plastic i recommend you DO NOT use transparent plastic.

Most common mistakes for failed airlayer:

Cambium not totally removed

That is a big problem! You have to remove all the way around, otherwise the plant will bridge it and will grow back, and NOT root.

improper moisture levels of medium around girdled branch to be rooted

Super easy, just dunk the sphagnum moss in water, let soak, and then squeeze all the water out.

Improper seal (wick like effect, of improper sealed marcott, where a bit of moss is sticking out exchanging moisture with outside environment)

After you've done a few you will get the hang of it. It's kind of like learning to roll a tortilla! Does your food stick out of the tortilla still? HAHA

ants!!! invade and aerate and ruin...

Almost every airlayer here gets ants, but they DO NOT ruin them. Bummer if you have to ship out and pass ag inspection.  ???

improper growth timing for marcott and poor branch selection

Yes you don't want to do airlayers there during winter. Any branch bigger than  sharpie marker pen will work fine.

airlayering may not be best means for propagation (inga, annona, others...)

Well yes, but that's true for EVERY propagation method.


OK, that's news to me. So saran wrap is good to put it on your food but not on your precious plants?  :-[

Dirty hands, infection

Yes, you can give your plant AIDS if you're not careful!  ;)

Please let me know if this is missing any element?

As usual you covered most of the bases. I just wanna say airlayering is super easy. An 8 year old can do it! Just need a little practice, like 3-4 of training and you are off and running.

hope you get all of your marcotts to root! on things they said you couldn't airlayer in the book! ??? ;D

There are other ways of airlayering we haven't talked about. For example, mysore raspberry like to touch soil and it airlayers itself. All you need to do is put a rock on top of a growing tip and it will form roots. Try starting from cuttings and it's super difficult.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Few pics of my TR Hovey papaya
« on: January 25, 2012, 05:04:25 PM »
Scared to live on island? Why? You might get overly relaxed? HAHAHAHAHA

scared a rattlesnake might bite me and I'd be thousands of miles from anti venom :'( ;)! Or a volcano erupting on my poor broke ass! :'( :'( ;) ;) ;D

Love to visit, but I hear Ice is killing the Hawaiians (Dog bounty hunter ::)), and I'm a bona-fide stereo-typical HOWLIE! ??? :'( ;)

Got news for you Adam! No rattlesnakes here in Hawaii, or any other snakes for that matter, except for harmless one about the size of an earthworm. Hope they don't scare you? HAHA
As for ice, it's only a problem around big city: Honolulu. Not a problem in rural areas. I would think there is a lot more floating around your neighborhood than mine! Sorry, but doesn't Florida have the highest crime rate in USA? Look at stats!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are some fertilizer sensitive trees?
« on: January 25, 2012, 04:07:25 PM »
oops, didn't really answer your question. Some trees really sensitive to chemical ferts are mangosteen and rambutan. I notice they prefer organic ferts...slow and steady kind of feeding. No big dumps of food.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: fertilizer
« on: January 25, 2012, 04:04:31 PM »
It's easy to kill plants with the super high dose triple 16 or triple 24 chemical ferts, especially small plants. If you want to go synthetic fert always use pelleted slow release: like nutricote or osmocote. I've also used chicken manure on pots with a lot of success. I like Stutzman's because it doesn't smell so bad, and with 3-2-2 it's much harder to burn a plant crispy! Always better to feed a plant often and LIGHTLY than to feed irregularly and heavily. Plants don't like the feast or famine syndrome. They like regular meals....just like us!  ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what species you've airlayered?
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:58:49 PM »
Brewsters are very tasty but tend to have large seeds. For airlayering: the higher the amount of sunlight = the higher percentage of airlayering success. Just be careful on that ladder.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Few pics of my TR Hovey papaya
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:55:24 PM »
Scared to live on island? Why? You might get overly relaxed? HAHAHAHAHA

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Raised pineapple beds a success!
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:52:12 PM »
Looks real nice Gwenn. Here the rats only bother the pineapples if you let them get too ripe on the plant, i think the strong smell attracts them. If you can get the white sugarloaf that is a VERY tasty cultivar!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Scientific equipment
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:45:52 PM »
Just curious why all you guys want refractometers? Usually they are used by large farms to pick fruit at perfect sugar content. Seems like an expensive piece of equipment for just a few fruits? Or maybe now the prices have come down? What is their price range?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Few pics of my TR Hovey papaya
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:40:45 PM »
Hi Adam, the area where i live Puna, is the largest papaya growing area in the USA. Yes Hawaii is part of USA believe it or not! ??? All the papayas here have had the vom bred out of them. They are exported to mainland USA and Japan, where consumers are very picky and prefer not to eat vom. HAHAHA So all the solo types are quite tasty: sunrise, sunset, waimanalo, and kapoho.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I have a disease! Need ID
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:32:45 PM »
Yes that looks like scale. Never seen that type here though, unusual shape. Usually what is recommended for scale is a hortiultural oil spray. If your plant is small you can just manually remove them.

Hi Jay, don't know much about it because never paid much attention to this corky stuff on branches. Here we have all kinds of things growing on branches apart from corcky bark, like moss and lichens. Yes all of these can be washed off. I don't usually do it unless ants are being bothersome and living under all this stuff.

Jay, i think potted plants behave quite differently than plants in the ground. Seems to me that potted plants tend to fruit when a lot smaller. Thought i'd cheer you up.  ;D

Berto, i don't think those photos you posted are of the Bolivian achachairu from Santa Cruz. Here is what they look like. You can see they are bigger and more pointed.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what species you've airlayered?
« on: January 25, 2012, 02:38:50 AM »
Mfajar, best time of year to do air layers is when there is the most active growth, so probably spring and summer. Make sure you pick a limb that gets full sun. Ones in the shade will not form roots. Try using sphagnum moss as that is easy and works very well. Suggest also doing several branches more than you want, so definitely some will root for you. I use 2 layers of aluminum foil to help keep the sun and birds out.
 Good luck.

Hi Jay, i don't know what causes that corky bark on branches of the langsats. All i can tell you is that we have something very similar, maybe the same thing on almost all the rambutans. Some few rambutan cultivars are less susceptible. They still fruit OK, but it makes it very difficult to graft.

I have 2 marang trees in the ground, one of which has fruited a few times. I will probably have seeds available in late summer: Aug-Sept. Seedling trees get huge, like 50-60 feet tall. They are not as cold hardy as jackfruit, more like breadfruit. I think fruiting marang in a pot would be difficult but not impossible. More likely to happen in Florida than in California. More likely in extreme southern Florida, preferrably the Keys.

Here you can see some Eugenia candolleana on the left and row of Garcinia prainiana on the right. (Click on image to get larger photo.) Eugenia candolleana is also a very tasty fruit. Those plants are only a couple years old. The G. prainiana is about 5+ years old.

Close up of G. prainiana (cherapu or button mangosteen)

Hi Jay, no fruit set on the cherapu yet. I think those were freak flowers forming at wrong time of year. I'm hoping to have some fruits this summer. All plants are 6 foot tall or over.

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