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Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« on: April 01, 2019, 05:29:07 PM »
I'v lost two young abiu trees in Sarasota, Florida. What am I doing wrong?

Please share your success of growing abiu or mistakes that you have identified.
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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2019, 09:23:32 PM »
Lost mine a while back, probably due to high alkaline soil. Lots of limestone. Never seemed happy in-ground.

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2019, 09:30:33 PM »
Lost mine a while back, probably due to high alkaline soil. Lots of limestone. Never seemed happy in-ground.

Thanks, Roblack!
Mine wasn't happy either, but where I am there is no limestone, but sandy soils.
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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2019, 09:38:45 PM »
I have mine in a pot and noticed this afternoon that it's about to bloom (I hope). It is not as "green" as I would like
and amended to lower the PH (Haven't checked lately to see what it is now).
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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2019, 09:50:07 PM »
Iíve always heard itís hard to grow in Florida.  We grow abiu in a clay loam that has a ph of about 6 but I think it would do alright at 5 even.  I imagine it wouldnít want the temp. To go below about 50f.  How are we doing?

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2019, 04:55:58 AM »
Abiu is about as picky as Jaboticaba when it comes to water/ph. Needs a lot of water and a low ph

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2019, 08:48:35 AM »
Abiu is about as picky as Jaboticaba when it comes to water/ph. Needs a lot of water and a low ph

This does not fit with my experience. A large jabo in-ground is doing great here. Abiu is much more sensitive to hi ph soil ime.

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2019, 11:01:29 AM »
Iím also in Sarasota, definitely have healthier abius now that Iím working to bring the ph down. I lost a couple of young ones outdoors when it was windy and in the low 40ís for a few days. I think they are quite fragile when they are young, but have seen happy healthy mature abiu trees here, so it is possible.

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2019, 01:18:12 PM »
Iíve always heard itís hard to grow in Florida.  We grow abiu in a clay loam that has a ph of about 6 but I think it would do alright at 5 even.  I imagine it wouldnít want the temp. To go below about 50f.  How are we doing?
I agree with Peter; It's delicate in FL when it's small, but if you get it to survive it does very well. I have several at over 10 ft (6 yrs old) which do well and give great fruit in SoFl.
Main problems:
1. Tends to get wierd fungal infection in FL when young: this is the main threat as it can kill a tree easily. Spray with systemic fungicides when under 3 ft every couple of months.
2. Likes fertilization and low pH: definitively lots of chelated Fe and micronutrients.
3. Likes organic soil and water: provide plenty of mulch and irrigation until settled (3-4 years)
4. Doesn't like cold temp (below 45), ok with 50+ protect when young if needed.
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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2019, 08:41:48 PM »
Abius will grow and fruit in South Florida 




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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2019, 09:36:32 PM »
To All:
Thank you very much for your insight. I learned a lot and will try again.
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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2019, 10:51:26 AM »
I live in orlando and wonder if i can grow the abiu. The temperature does dip down a bit and the soil is sandy. I may have to amend the soil and start with a 15 gallon plant to have any chance of success.
How are the fruits? Never tasted it. Is it sweet / sour / tart ? what is the seed to pulp ratio? how big does the tree get?

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2019, 11:18:05 AM »
I live in orlando and wonder if i can grow the abiu. The temperature does dip down a bit and the soil is sandy. I may have to amend the soil and start with a 15 gallon plant to have any chance of success.
How are the fruits? Never tasted it. Is it sweet / sour / tart ? what is the seed to pulp ratio? how big does the tree get?
IMO it will not do well in Orlando. I personally wouldn't bother. It can only tolerate under 40F for brief periods and doesn't like cold; gets cold-induced chlorosis very easily.
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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2019, 09:28:53 PM »
I have three fruiting abius in the ground. I treat them like jabuticaba as far as irrigation. I plant them in highly organic medium, and they get water every single day. They produce over 100 fruits every year.
The secret to growing abiu has been said. They are very cold sensitive when they are young. I keep them in large pots until they are at least 6 feet tall, and then, I plant them in the ground.
One of them is a seedling of Z4, a commercial variety in Australia. That one is very precocious and produced fruits in three (3) years from seed. The fruit is round and has a thicker skin. The flavor is sweet with a hint of vanilla mixed with a mild caramel.
I recommend planting at least two (2) trees side by side for better fruit production.
I name my trees Number 1; Number 2; and Number 4 (seedling of Z4).

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2019, 03:56:44 AM »
Abiu is about as picky as Jaboticaba when it comes to water/ph. Needs a lot of water and a low ph
Soil pH here is about 6.5 and they grow like weeds. Lots of volunteer plants around mother plants from any fallen fruits. Trees can fruit in 2-3 years from seed when really happy.
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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2020, 09:44:13 PM »
They are somewhat picky in Florida because of both soil and temperature (too low but also too high), I have broken a few seedlings to learn their habit but I've learnt to keep them shaded for the first couple of years especially afternoon shade! I have three of them in ground and still they are partially shaded from neighboring trees, also water that sandy soil quite often if not every day to keep moisture constant till they really establish, and plenty of organic matter, chop and drop and manure around the area. In full limestone i wouldn't get my hopes anywhere unless you can hammer out a giant hole and make it into a pot like.
Finally got them fruiting this year for the first time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-yjskrjyg

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2020, 10:27:20 PM »
They are somewhat picky in Florida because of both soil and temperature (too low but also too high), I have broken a few seedlings to learn their habit but I've learnt to keep them shaded for the first couple of years especially afternoon shade! I have three of them in ground and still they are partially shaded from neighboring trees, also water that sandy soil quite often if not every day to keep moisture constant till they really establish, and plenty of organic matter, chop and drop and manure around the area. In full limestone i wouldn't get my hopes anywhere unless you can hammer out a giant hole and make it into a pot like.
Finally got them fruiting this year for the first time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-yjskrjyg

Cheers
Congrats. Your trees look happy. High temperature should not be a problem. What they don't like are wide swings in temperature, like very high daytime and very low night time temperatures.
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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2020, 12:50:11 AM »
Speed to fruit and productivity depends very much on variety. They handled 110f easily at my place so can obviously go much higher and 38f at a friend's place. They do enjoy water. Some Z4 selections have bigger fruit and fruit at a younger age.Generally the big spherical low latex types with one or two seeds only fruit faster and more reliably presumably because they have been selectd for these features. They also bruise and stain less.There have been lots of previous threads on them. E4 is an example of a very large fruited, thin skin type with rich flavours.

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2020, 07:01:04 PM »
Abius will grow and fruit in South Florida 





FloridaGreenMan they look spherical and big. Which variety of Abiu are these?

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2020, 07:05:18 PM »
Abius will grow and fruit in South Florida 





FloridaGreenMan they look spherical and big. Which variety of Abiu are these?

I think these were from his own named variety ĎMarissaí.

That tree was the most productive abiu tree Iíve seen in Florida.

Iím not sure if anyone was able to propagate it before the tree was lost.

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2020, 07:36:40 PM »
Abius will grow and fruit in South Florida 





FloridaGreenMan they look spherical and big. Which variety of Abiu are these?

I think these were from his own named variety ĎMarissaí.

That tree was the most productive abiu tree Iíve seen in Florida.

Iím not sure if anyone was able to propagate it before the tree was lost.

Thanks for this info. Sad to hear it was lost. Do you know the reason why? I hope someone here in forum planted a seed from the fruits he shared. Hopefully someone will come forward.

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2020, 04:54:34 AM »
Those Marissa's look like Gray to me. Maybe they have a lineage back to Whitman's famous tree grown from seeds from Don Gray.

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2020, 09:40:36 AM »
My tree (which was a seedling from Noel) just gave us our first fruit after somewhere between 5 - 8 years. My wife only found it by chance as she was walking by the tree. Half of it had already been invaded by bugs but we managed to salvage the other half. I suspect we were a bit late getting it off the tree, but a fun treat nonetheless.




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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2020, 09:28:22 PM »
My tree (which was a seedling from Noel) just gave us our first fruit after somewhere between 5 - 8 years. My wife only found it by chance as she was walking by the tree. Half of it had already been invaded by bugs but we managed to salvage the other half. I suspect we were a bit late getting it off the tree, but a fun treat nonetheless.




Looks good. Please propagate it for the sake of all Abiu lovers here.

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Re: Abiu - what am I doing wrong ?
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2020, 02:49:30 AM »
While 3 or 4 types can reach 1kg, 1lb is more routine. They grow mostly true and some better Z4 lines were from seedlings so aren't really Z4 and some seedlings of Z4 have had fruit not quite as good as the parent in terms of fruit size. Any good lines should be preserved.

 

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