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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1450 on: November 23, 2020, 07:02:19 PM »
i seent sum chatter about the sanford being an aureana seedling, but i'm saying it was a phitrantha seedling that got thrown into a bag of seeds i got that were supposed to be aureana...

there's no way you're going to get the difference in flavor and fruit composition between sanford phitrantha and aureana from seed....

and a hybrid of aureana and phitrantha, would kind of be redundant...they are so closely related, you'd probably have no way to distinguish a hybrid from a pure phitrantha...that is, maybe unless they were both selected, and rare varieties that looked totally different...

and furthermore, they are calling some trees like "watermelon" P. aureana, but i beg to differ, it's got fuzzy leaves and aureana never has fuzz like watermelon does...i'd say it's closer related to P. grandifolia....

but when you boil it all down, all these different species, are probably the same species, and we're dealing with a bunch of varieties thereof. 

Think of Sabara like the wolf, and every other plinia that can graft onto it, is like a modern day domesticated dog.  Almost all of the Plinias that look like Sabara (at least superficially, like trunciflora, grandifolia, aureana, phitrantha, coronata, etc...) can all interbreed and produce viable offspring (with the possible exception of Plinia edulis, clausa, etc.).  So they all the same species to me...
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1452 on: November 25, 2020, 01:11:05 AM »
i seent sum chatter about the sanford being an aureana seedling, but i'm saying it was a phitrantha seedling that got thrown into a bag of seeds i got that were supposed to be aureana...

there's no way you're going to get the difference in flavor and fruit composition between sanford phitrantha and aureana from seed....

and a hybrid of aureana and phitrantha, would kind of be redundant...they are so closely related, you'd probably have no way to distinguish a hybrid from a pure phitrantha...that is, maybe unless they were both selected, and rare varieties that looked totally different...

and furthermore, they are calling some trees like "watermelon" P. aureana, but i beg to differ, it's got fuzzy leaves and aureana never has fuzz like watermelon does...i'd say it's closer related to P. grandifolia....

but when you boil it all down, all these different species, are probably the same species, and we're dealing with a bunch of varieties thereof. 

Think of Sabara like the wolf, and every other plinia that can graft onto it, is like a modern day domesticated dog.  Almost all of the Plinias that look like Sabara (at least superficially, like trunciflora, grandifolia, aureana, phitrantha, coronata, etc...) can all interbreed and produce viable offspring (with the possible exception of Plinia edulis, clausa, etc.).  So they all the same species to me...

I agree with you 100%, Adam. 

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1453 on: December 17, 2020, 02:04:06 PM »
Hi ! I'm a Jaboticaba farmer in France, if you want to buy some Jaboticaba Myrciara Cauliflora, you can contact me by my website : https://jaboticaba.fr  :D
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1454 on: December 17, 2020, 03:12:50 PM »
I think all the black southern Brazilian ones with white included are part of a clade, a composite or superspecies that are just variations of the same thing. The extra ones described in 1976 don't have much except a few rubbery morphological characteristics to differentiate them and those not occurring in the wild are of especially dubious status.The modern definition of species allows for fertile hybrids but the splitters may have taken things too far and we need a good lumper armed with genetic info to revise the group. That being said there are a few yellows that probably should be their own thing, vexators also and tenella and dubia seem distinct also.Cambuca and the species outside southern Brazil look like clearly defines species.
The definition of varieties, forms, subspecies etc is vague and basically if you can see something recognisably different and its genetically passed on that is good enough.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1455 on: February 10, 2021, 02:01:47 PM »
My Jaboticaba Vexator flowered last year, but no fruit.  It is flowering again and I am hopeful, but was wondering if male and female Jaboticabas are required to set fruit?

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« Reply #1456 on: February 10, 2021, 05:19:50 PM »
My Jaboticaba Vexator flowered last year, but no fruit.  It is flowering again and I am hopeful, but was wondering if male and female Jaboticabas are required to set fruit?
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1457 on: February 10, 2021, 06:37:38 PM »
Thanks, Nyuu.  That article says that cross-pollination is needed.  Does anyone know if the cross-pollinator needs to be the same variety or would a Red Jaboticaba work?


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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1458 on: February 11, 2021, 11:33:36 PM »
M. Vexator does not need cross pollination to fruit, I have one flowering tree and it produces lots of fruit.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1459 on: February 12, 2021, 02:42:35 PM »
Thank you, Jake.  Nothing beats experience.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1460 on: February 22, 2021, 09:21:51 PM »
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1461 on: February 25, 2021, 05:25:23 PM »




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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1462 on: February 26, 2021, 09:44:38 AM »
Cute Prayer !!

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1463 on: February 26, 2021, 12:59:58 PM »

that sabara hybrid from PIN
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1464 on: March 31, 2021, 07:31:25 PM »
Has anyone yet fruited the PIN Sabara hybrid, also known as Sabara 5?
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1465 on: April 04, 2021, 09:48:41 PM »

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1466 on: April 04, 2021, 10:05:18 PM »
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1467 on: April 04, 2021, 11:38:11 PM »
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1468 on: April 05, 2021, 04:32:46 PM »
some stuff flowering fruiting, grimal strigipes and a little tree not sure what one










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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1469 on: April 06, 2021, 08:55:35 PM »
Bro can you plz add a bit of info about each species you sell on your sites? I mean, at the very least, just approximate extreme cold hardiness??

And maybe special attributes, or finicky behaviors, etc??

Not asking to waste your time writing wikipedia articles on each variety haha

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1470 on: June 22, 2021, 09:26:01 PM »
My PIN Crown 1 in a pot is flowering. My guess is that it is 9 years old. 
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1471 on: June 23, 2021, 04:59:17 PM »
Is acu paulista dangerous? I just ordered seeds and I知 concerned. More info?

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1472 on: June 23, 2021, 07:47:05 PM »
Is acu paulista dangerous? I just ordered seeds and I知 concerned. More info?

Why would that particular jaboticaba variety be dangerous?

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1473 on: June 30, 2021, 11:19:47 AM »
I ate my first Crown 1 fruit. The taste was similar to a concord grape. It was not overly sweet. The size was good, bigger than the reds I had on hand but not as big as some of the whopper reds and grimals I have harvested. The skin was thicker than a red, similar to a grimal. The skin did not have any objectionable flavors and seemed edible. In the taste test of both of the pictured fruits, I liked the flavor of the red better.

Crown 1 fruit (left) vs a Red (right) bottom view


Crown 1 fruit (left) vs a Red (right) top view


Crown 1 flesh


Crown 1 single seed, multi-segmented

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1474 on: June 30, 2021, 12:48:43 PM »
To somebody with addiction. I already have the basics like Red, Grimal, phitrantha.. but now I知 diving deep down to the dark depths of all the rare species and I知 concerned for my self and my bank account


Is acu paulista dangerous? I just ordered seeds and I知 concerned. More info?

Why would that particular jaboticaba variety be dangerous?

 

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