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what species you've airlayered?
« on: January 22, 2012, 03:51:19 PM »
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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 04:15:22 PM »
Nice! Yeah some trees can be easier to air layer than others. I've read once that an air layered mango tends to have a poor root system. That's why they tend to be grafted. In the other hand, guavas tend to be air layered since grafted guavas tend to grow root suckers and they are harder to graft.
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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 04:42:58 PM »
Easiest air layer, and the one i do most often is by far lychee. Rambutan and pulasan are also very easy to air layer. (Morton says in her book that rambutan air layers don't grow when planted out, and some other authors have repeated her statements, but this is not correct. Maybe it doesn't work well in Florida limestone.) Longan can also be air layered but is not as easy as the cut often bridges and heals itself. But air layering is traditional way to propagate longans. I also air layer acerola (barbados cherry). Can be done by cuttings but success rate is much higher with air layers. I've also done miracle fruit but takes a very long time. Same with chico (sapodilla). I've tried jaboticaba air layers with no success. Also tried durian with no success, although i've heard others have been succesful with durian. One that i want to try that i heard air layers well is nutmeg, that way you know which plants are male and which female and can plant the right combo.
General rules of thumb are that plants that start from cuttings will definitely air layer (though not always vice versa). Also that most hardwood trees air layer well.
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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 05:37:14 PM »
Has anyone ever airlayered MAMONCILLO?! Once I tried. I did 12 airlayers, no success. In fact some twigs rotted and died off  :(

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 05:47:33 PM »
being a close relative of lychee longan , i think its easily done... :)

you mean the spanish lime?

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 07:37:27 PM »
not tropical but I tried two airlayers of a petite negron fig- one took which I mailed to jay and within a couple of years it was fruiting for him- I consider his figs to be my grandchildren- so jay is basically eating my grandchildren alive for breakfast

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 08:19:17 PM »
I've airlayered lychee most frequently.  Longan second most.  I've found them both to be about the same level of difficulty.  I have done mango once.  A Maha Chanok mango was the subject of the attempt.  I did four and one took very nicely.  Not sure why one took and the others did not.  Lycheeluva is now the proud owner of that Maha Chanok airlayer. I have also done mulberry quite a few times.  Most are easy to propagate this way.  Pakistani is the exception.
 
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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 09:24:26 PM »
I did 3 lychees airlayers using coconut husk shavings as the medium. All three of them had massive root balls.  I had to travel right after I cut them off the mother tree. When I came back from my trip, only one had survived.  That tree now is approx. a 10 feet tree in my orchard.

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 11:48:29 PM »
Felipe and Adam, i've heard that mamoncillo or Spanish lime  (Melicoccus bijugatus) cannot be airlayered easily and is usually propagated by grafting. Even though this fruit is in sapindaceae family it looks and acts quite different than its cousins.
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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 01:03:44 AM »
I think the mamoncillo must be layered from large limbs, which has detrimental effect to the tree.

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 06:27:52 AM »
Gerry...my apologies for the mistake.....but the beauty of this new forum is that you can edit your posts after you post them.  So I did.....now you can delete your post, if you so choose. :)

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 07:01:51 AM »
Harry Harry Harry...I thought you were going to ban Gerry??!!

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 08:01:04 AM »
Harry, I think I shall leave my post up as a warning to all would-be wrong-spellers of my name

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 11:51:50 AM »
I think the mamoncillo must be layered from large limbs, which has detrimental effect to the tree.

Jeff

I think Excalibur is going to be trying some airlayers of spanish lime soon. I'll let you know what the success on the smaller branches are.

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 05:19:02 PM »
I did most airlayers as I would do with lychee and longan. But I also did it on 2-3 very large limbs (as Morton says in her book) with no success... but guys, I'll try again ;-)

Mura, please keep us updated on this :-)

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 05:23:34 PM »
I did most airlayers as I would do with lychee and longan. But I also did it on 2-3 very large limbs (as Morton says in her book) with no success... but guys, I'll try again ;-)

Mura, please keep us updated on this :-)

If you haven't tried, approach grafting works well. It has a very high success rate.

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 11:37:13 AM »
I think the mamoncillo must be layered from large limbs, which has detrimental effect to the tree.

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Jeff,

I just took a tour of Pine Island Nursery a month ago, they airlayer small branches of spanish lime!!! 

I forgot totally about this!  Small wraps on about 14 inch branches, all over...the dude working told me they do it this way... I was surprised.

SORRY I FORGOT! :o :o :-[ :-[ ;) ;) :)
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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 11:38:54 AM »
Felipe and Adam, i've heard that mamoncillo or Spanish lime  (Melicoccus bijugatus) cannot be airlayered easily and is usually propagated by grafting. Even though this fruit is in sapindaceae family it looks and acts quite different than its cousins.
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FORGOT TO MENTION, WAS AT PINE ISLAND NURSERY, AND THEY AIRLAYER THE HELL OUT OF THE SPANISH LIME!  I'm so stupid to have just remembered this! :-[ :-[ :-[ :P
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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 11:57:01 AM »

Jeff,

I just took a tour of Pine Island Nursery a month ago, they airlayer small branches of spanish lime!!! 

I forgot totally about this!  Small wraps on about 14 inch branches, all over...the dude working told me they do it this way... I was surprised.

SORRY I FORGOT! :o :o :-[ :-[ ;) ;) :)

I remember seeing a bunch of airlayers at TREC too. They were branches with a diameter of less than 1 inch. Har also recommended air layering of the spanish lime.

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2012, 03:54:10 PM »
Adam, don't tell me you did not take pictures at PIN!

Rule #1 of this forum: Pictures, or it didn't happen!!

So, they were doing airlayers on small limbs (vertical/horizontal) in December? Rooting hormone? Did the remove cambium?
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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2012, 04:03:54 PM »
Adam, don't tell me you did not take pictures at PIN!

Rule #1 of this forum: Pictures, or it didn't happen!!

So, they were doing airlayers on small limbs (vertical/horizontal) in December? Rooting hormone? Did the remove cambium?

Doing them way at tips, all over, small foil wraps about 3 inches by 1.5 inch or so, timing must be right, and branch selection should be proper.  They looked like my miracle fruit airlayers almost! did you see those?? that should work fine! but don't know optimal medium to use...I use sphagnum peat, or cocopeat type stuff...also adding a product like Turf Pro, will be a small amount of beneficial nutrients and microorgainsms  that enhance root development!

I use Turf Pro for everything!! organic! and owner drinks the stuff to show its not harmful...only downside is it stains concrete!!!LOL best organic chelated iron and micro nutrient I've found!!!!

Great for airlayers and cuttings!!!!!
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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2012, 04:09:42 PM »
the  owner drinks the stuff to show its not harmful??! The name of the owner is Bear Grylls?? I've seen him on TV  8)

Thanks for the input. Next time I'm on the island I will follow your wise words and give those mamoncillos hell!

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2012, 08:18:39 PM »
I tried to air layer my lychee... First time trying this ever, and I failed miserably :( Reading that lychee is the easiest I feel like a bigger failure LOL!
Is there a best time of year to try this? I tried last year after harvest, I used regular HD soil and some peat u put in orchids... Yea I know I'm way over my head! But I ain't giving up, I'm gonna try to clone my beast again.
Thanks!

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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 08:38:49 PM »
BTW this is a pic of the beatiful beast I tried to air layer:



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Re: what species you've airlayered?
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 10:30:07 PM »
wow- what a gorgeous lychee tree- what variety?

 

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