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Hope everyoneís plants are doing well. Itís 107 at my place right now. I have dead corn stalks protecting my plant from Marta and a couple of M. ceriferas. Hope it turns out okay.

My grafted californica finally died though. I think itís from my outdoor sink water pouring directly over the plant. I must have moved the pipe there by mistake recently.

I guess M. gale is not that promising, looking at the native range.

Thereís actually a 4th Myrica that might work. A Taiwanese guy blogged about this in Chinese many years ago. I can never remember the name of it. Myrica gale. Itís not talked about at all in English.

I think the native rootstocks are not really good to use but usable with lower success rates. I havenít done a good comparison of them. I do know that most of my yangmei on yangmei grafts worked but most of my yangmei on M. cerifera and M. californica grafts failed. But itís much harder to grow yangmei for rootstocks than to get the native ones. So I think we have to settle with that as the best option for now.

From what Iíve heard and my brief experience with seedlings, many tend to die off in the first season for whatever reason. Those that survive into the 2nd season are pretty good survivors. The 2nd year ones I got from Marta were all pretty tough. Barerooting them for shipping didnít seem to weaken them. One died but that was from not shading it during a bad heatwave.

There are some people in Chinese-language FB groups that want to join as well if thereís ever a future import, but they donít want to handle the actual import. It takes a good deal of effort to pull it off and Iím glad people are able to revive a good number of them.

Wow, Simon, I think your plants are back to good health now that thereís roots and the shoot growth is longer. I did the same thing with the smallest containers and light potting mix so I could tell when to add water. It took 4-6 months for me though.

Oftentimes the grafts start to grow and then turn brown. Hereís a couple shots today of my grafts. The grafts were done in January.

You can see how there are many buds that pushed and turned brown right after. One of them did keep growing. The small green one is not out of the woods yet. This is why I say having the graft push too soon after grafting is not a good sign. They die once they run out of available buds if the graft union hasnít bridged.

I did grafting during the cool season. You guys doing grafts this round can provide data on how well spring grafts work with the warmer weather. Who knows, it might help them heal faster. Itís not something Iíve tried before but I hope for a good outcome.

The literature says that Yangmei is diocious. But I believe someone mentioned that the grafted plants will eventually produce both male and female flowers. Does anyone have more information on this?

I still have the DongKui tree from the previous import in 2012 or so. Itís 5ft tall and wide now after I stopped trying to propagate it (which ended up slowing it down early on). It bloomed the 2nd year, then was weak and didnít bloom until about 4 years ago. A little before that all I did to it was trim any side and downward growth to make it grow more upright.

Anyway, I havenít seen any male flowers on that plant ever. This is consistent with what Yunfei said during the recent zoom talk for San Diego CRFG. Heís always said to just graft a pure male for pollen. This shouldnít be a problem with all the sexed(by DNA markers) seedlings sold by Marta at She said that the ratio is roughly 50% males.

I got a couple of unsexed seedlings (early on from Marta) growing which I tried to graft this year but they didnít work. Maybe theyíre too young. The grafts from the same round on californica and cerifera are looking alive so far.

The native rootstocks Iíve seen sold are all males. They actually make a few berries. I donít know if they germinate. I never was able to germinate the native Myrica seeds I bought online either. Maybe I didnít do enough scarifying to the seeds. They have a wax covering that repels water.

I donít know if I should say too much about what to do to the imported plants since we imported them when they were relatively dormant back then and this time itís during the growing season. Itís probably all in the other thread. Humidity and shade are probably still relevant for treating the bareroot shock. Iím glad you guys are trying different things. What everybodyís doing all makes sense. I think youíre giving them the best chance at surviving.

One thing I noticed for grafting is they take a long time to heal. If it starts growing within a month of grafting, itís not a good sign. Iíve had plenty of grafts that started growing early on that quickly turned brown at a couple mm long.

Potted rootstocks generally go into decline after 1 year is my experience with them. If any of them take for you guys, I recommend planting them as soon as feasible. I had a few previous grafted plants suddenly die on on me in pots. I planted all the remaining rootstocks last year so theyíre healthier when I grafted them this year. I have some grafts this year that are still looking alive. I donít want to say theyíre good until they survive the summer heat.

Thicker scions also help grafting success. I think itís just because thereís more reserve energy to last through the long healing time.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: May 02, 2021, 03:33:47 PM »
Exciting to see seedlings starting to produce. Pretty soon weíll be able to trade these.

DongKui is the one thatís supposed to also produce male flowers, but I never see any on mine.
Iíve seen male cerifera and californica male fruits though.

Anyone doing bottle graft or approach graft? Simon? Just tossing around ideas.

I'd be in for 6.  I am in San Diego.
Richard, can I buy you an additional 2 plants to care for so I can get scions from them? No problem if they donít make it for any reason.

Mulberry is very easy to root from cutting.  Just buy couple scions from the member and root them.  You should get some fruit very soon.

I got a tree off craigslist. White mulberry cannot be rooted from cuttings, they have to be grafted said the guy that sold to me. That's why they tend to be more expensive than their counterpart, the black pakistan.

Thanks everyone.
Black mulberries are hard to root from cuttings. White mulberries are easy to root from cuttings. Then you graft the black mulberries on it. Hope you didn't pay too much for yours.

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WANTED: Sugar cane jujube cuttings
« on: September 12, 2019, 04:08:56 PM »
Thanks for the Sugarcane vs. Honey jar comparison, especially the difference in production. I grafted both this year to the same tree and they both made tiny fruits. The honey jar grew a new trunk while the sugarcane only grew fruiting twigs.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Info on OBO mango
« on: August 28, 2019, 01:15:34 PM »
ORO mango?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: August 28, 2019, 01:06:15 PM »
Wow, that seedling went for $270. Some of you guys are rich for starting these from seed!

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: CCPP
« on: July 16, 2019, 12:44:44 PM »
I don't know. She lives in Beaumont. Pays $2250.00 house note per month. $3000.00 per annum property taxes. House only has 1235 square feet in it. Thats pretty steep to a SG like me. She tells me I would like the weather but.......

The house pricing in California is so ridiculous right now.  You cannot buy a house for 1/2 mil in LA county.  Even though I like to weather like here, nice and sunny.  I won't live here when I am retired.  My sister-in-law live in Oregon, her house with 3 big bedrooms and a large liveroom with over 1800SF only for 75K, and the lot is over 1 acre, but she cannot plant any of the fruit tree that I plant her due to the snow weather.
Wow that's cheap. Mine is about double Bomand's sister's property tax, same mortgage and house size, 1/5 acre lot. I'm close to "the beautiful downtown Burbank" with crazy Armenian drivers that don't stop for pedestrians or even for red light.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: CCPP
« on: July 12, 2019, 04:33:44 PM »
But once people move out, it's pretty hard to move back in. Inland Empire home prices should still be affordable compared to LA County.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Siamese Sweet Pomelo
« on: July 12, 2019, 02:08:31 PM »
I read everywhere about this plant as a very common parent for a variety of citrus, but i never have seen it offered for sale or in a collection.
There's a good reason for that. It's supposed to be sweet but not the most flavor, in part due to lack of acidity.

The standard Chandler pomelo that's usually sold in the US is a hybrid of Siamese Sweet, and so is Oroblanco grapefruit.
UCR was considering releasing it 2 years ago.

I tried the fruit. It's really good if you like sweet citrus. Many people don't appreciate purely sweet and fragrant fruit though, so it may not be good for you. It's better than acidless lemon to me.

Don't touch the segment membrane or you'll get a pretty bitter taste. I don't think you have to chew the membrane, just touch it and the flavor comes off.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Preserving Lychees?
« on: July 12, 2019, 02:00:26 PM »
You can dry lychee in the shell. I have uncles that grew lychee. They're retired now.

Iíve used both. I canít tell the difference. I feel like Bioflora has gotta have something in there thatís good because my dogs love Bioflora...little bastards love to eat it. So I keep buying Bioflora.
Haha, the mice in my area loves to eat it too. I might be the feather meal that makes it smell like chicken. I don't know if I want to sprinkle it on top of the soil like you're supposed to. Maybe it's the animal droppings that's fertilizing the trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rooting Jujube
« on: April 23, 2019, 12:30:41 PM »
Graft it back.

Snapped it TO the graft? Doe that mean it's broken BELOW the graft or ABOVE the graft? Or is the graft really weak enough to be broken AT the graft?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: April 16, 2019, 01:18:28 PM »
Alright! Fresh California-grown fruit!

As far as I know, there's nothing too special about germination. Seeds just land on the ground where they're stratified/weathered for the winter or longer which reduces the amount of germination-inhibiting hormone in the shell and seed coat and some get worked into the dirt or buried by leave litter so they germinate all at different times.

It's not endangered or anything. A friend on FB posted photos of huge yangmei trees lining the streets of Tokyo. I guess they grow well there.
What is huge? How big do they get?

They all seem to be males.

There's one on Uchinada beach, in the sand by the road side with maybe wind and salt burn on the leaves. That one's about 8ft, with male flowers.

There are huge trees at a park in Yokohama.

There are some near the Hiroshima A Bomb site, maybe 2 stories tall. There's a photo of one 3-4 stories tall next to an apartment building that I can't tell if it's yangmei.

There are street trees in Tokyo, pruned to narrow canopies.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: April 11, 2019, 04:24:25 PM »
Alright! Fresh California-grown fruit!

As far as I know, there's nothing too special about germination. Seeds just land on the ground where they're stratified/weathered for the winter or longer which reduces the amount of germination-inhibiting hormone in the shell and seed coat and some get worked into the dirt or buried by leave litter so they germinate all at different times.

It's not endangered or anything. A friend on FB posted photos of huge yangmei trees lining the streets of Tokyo. I guess they grow well there.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrica rubra
« on: April 08, 2019, 12:50:50 AM »
Any place we can order a Cali grown fruit?! I have paid as much as $24 a lb for some imported mangosteens.
I remember there were imported yangmei fruit sold last year, pickup in Monterey Park. Maybe I posted about it before? If so, that price is accurate. I thin the imported fruits were over $30/lb and only available during the weeks of harvest season in China.

Oops. It's mrtexas I was talking about. I get people confused.

Mark in Texas can tell you about the citrus bureau there. They get it from CCPP and both CCPP and they tack on a nice surcharge. $150 budwood.

Someone contacted CCPP recently and told me they will have it again in June.

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