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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Tips for Germinating Poncirus Trifoliata seeds
« on: October 26, 2025, 01:18:42 PM »
Botanical Pilot is right - the problem with purchased PT seeds is the length of time and how they have been stored. If they have been dried and stored like most other seeds they will not germinate.
You need to buy from a specialist citrus nursery or you need to obtain fresh seeds straight from the fruit. These will gerninate easily without soaking.
I often collect a pile of fruit and leave them outside in a pot. By spring they are mouldy and smelly but the seeds still germinate perfectly once they have been removed from the mess. Easier than storing in a fridge for months - which also creates objections from my wife.

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I got fruits of the earliest known chimera, discovered in 1640, do you know what it is?
Yes, I know. I wrote about it on my website - see
https://www.homecitrusgrowers.co.uk/citrusvarieties/bizzarria.html

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Grapefruit tree in UK
« on: August 13, 2025, 04:26:19 AM »
There is a very detailed research article about the Beddington oranges at https://www.cadhas.org.uk/app/download/5817192737/Occ+4+Orangery.pdf
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These accounts tell a fairly consistent story. The orange trees were planted in the ground and
were covered in the winter by a wooden shed heated with stoves. Gibson says that the building
was over 200 feet (60.96m) long and that the trees were 13 feet (3.96m) high.
One wall of the later brick-built orangery still exists from about 1580.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Grapefruit tree in UK
« on: August 12, 2025, 04:14:33 PM »
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There was a brief historical period where there were substantial sour orange plantings in the south of England.
I don't know where you heard that - but I don't think it's correct!
There were orangeries associated with stately homes and a couple of south-facing 'citrus walls' in the mildest coastal areas of south-west England but not what I would call 'substantial plantings'.
Can you point us to any evidence?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Grapefruit tree in UK
« on: August 11, 2025, 11:15:22 AM »
I tasted one of the fruits and it had the rather bitter grapefruit taste that I remember from years ago. I liked it, but the commercial grapefruit available nowadays are certainly much sweeter and - as Millet says - often with red colour.
quinoah - Citrus here frequently have a second burst of flowering in response to a warm summer, after a cool spring has produced limited flowers. Perhaps that is why it is said to bear fruit year-round. But equally, in cooler climates, individual fruits can remain on the tree for many months.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Grapefruit tree in UK
« on: August 10, 2025, 12:59:00 PM »
It is not often that a grapefruit tree makes it into the news bulletins in England but it has this week.
A tree in a south London street has been awarded a Tree Preservation Order and a brass plaque after a campaign by local residents.
The media are reporting that the tree was planted in 1980 by a lady from Grenada who has recently died.
Some reports are also saying that it is the only such tree in the UK, which is definitely incorrect. I have been listing outdoor citrus trees - including this one - on my website for several years. See https://www.homecitrusgrowers.co.uk/citrusplaces/londonoutdoorcitrus.html





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I bought a Vainiglia a few years ago from Tintori nursery near Florence. I was very disappointed to find the oranges produced were not noticeably less acidic than any other orange variety.
So, either the plant was incorrectly labelled, or the Vainiglia only produces its sweet, low-acid fruit in warmer climates than here in England.
I seem to remember posting about this on a citrus forum and one other cool-climate grower had found the same thing.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Konatsu
« on: July 22, 2025, 05:17:17 AM »
I visited INRA in Corsica many years ago. They always check for viruses and only distribute clean budwood. Most viruses can be removed by heat treatment or by micro-propagation from the growing shoot tip. So, if your plant came from Japan via INRAE it should be healthy.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Mandalo Mutation?
« on: June 03, 2025, 12:44:46 PM »
I have a Mandalo tree (also called Cocktail Grapefruit) growing in a pot here in the UK. It was grown from seed sent to me from USA at least 25 years ago. Each year It produces a few of the yellow-skinned fruit with seedy orange flesh which is typical of the Mandalo, and is the only grapefruit type citrus which produces edible fruit in the cool English climate.
About ten years ago, this tree had a damaged branch and the die-back spread down one side of the main trunk. However, a new shoot then developed just above the damaged area and its foliage was clearly different from the original tree. The leaves were thicker, darker green and often slightly crinkled with prominent veins. I grafted this shoot on to another rootstock before it also died back on the original tree.
The new grafted plant is now flowering and starting to fruit. The leaves remain as described – thick and dark green. The fruits are still small but currently look more pear-shaped than the original Mandalo.
What do you think this is? It has the characteristics of a chromosome doubled plant, but I can find few references to this happening spontaneously from a shoot.





Mike/Citrange

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I have noticed several times that new shoots from trifoliate rootstocks can have strange leaf formations.
Sadly, I doubt that you have anything unusual - the shoot will probably revert to normal after a bit more growth.

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Check out giant swallowtail butterfly eggs.
See:
https://www.jaxshells.org/70011.htm

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Yes, more than twenty years ago I tried some crosses between Australian citrus and pummelo/pomelo.
I thought I might end up with a good-sized and delicious hybrid fruit shaped like a cucumber, but it taught me a valuable lesson.
You can cross two varieties each with a desirable characteristic but the chances of getting the sum of those particular traits is actually very unlikely. So what happened? I finally had the fruits - they were the size and shape of a small pear. Thick-skinned, extremely sour and inedible. Very clearly a product of the two parents but not the result I had wanted.
In spite of losing some of the labels over the years, I still have 3 or 4 of those crosses. The trees are not particularly attractive, quite vigorous but rather loose, lanky branches and fairly small leaves.
My conclusion is that it is very difficult for an individual to produce a really good new variety. I think you need to make many hundreds of hybrids and select the best ones. It takes a very long time, and only research institutions or large commercial organisations have the ability to do it.
So, have fun, hope for the best but expect the worst!
Mike/Citrange

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Need help picking finger limes
« on: April 22, 2025, 09:04:21 AM »
I'd like to know how it is that these named varieties of Australian Finger Limes are being distributed in EU countries when, I believe, importation of citrus plants is completely prohibited.
Either they are from illegal imports, or they are grown from seed and therefore not actually the named varieties.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: 50 year old orange seedling
« on: April 14, 2025, 02:58:28 PM »
Looks to me like a Calamondin (or Calamansi). Fits your fruit description too.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Tetraploid Satsuma
« on: March 03, 2025, 03:01:07 PM »
A few years ago I tried growing various citrus seeds in pots containing soil mixed with crushed colchicum bulbs.
First, the bulbs were quite expensive.
Second I got a bit scared after reading
'Colchicine poisoning causes abdominal cramps and diarrhea within hours. Several days later, multiorgan failure, pancytopenia, and cardiovascular collapse occur. Severe colchicine poisoning is associated with high mortality.'
So, I washed out our kitchen blender very, very thoroughly - and never told my wife what I was doing!
All the seeds germinated normally and didn't appear to have been effected at all by the colchicine.

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Also if you want to get idiot proof manuals how to use cholchicine with plants, look for weed.
Explain what this means??

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: swingel rootstock
« on: January 27, 2025, 05:43:32 AM »
Eggeto: I wonder why you are so convinced that you had examples of rootstock incompatibility rather than some other problem?
Once a graft has taken satisfactorily, citrus rootstock incompatibility is nearly always a long-term problem resulting in slow decline, or sometimes unexpected death, but usually only after many years.
Swingle is a vigorous rootstock and I presume the plants seemed OK when you bought them. As you are in Belgium, no doubt these were growing in pots. In these conditions I very much doubt that any rootstock incompatability would be apparent within three years.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: A non bitter larger Poncirus?
« on: November 19, 2024, 03:59:40 PM »
I have mentioned this on several forums but I think it is worth repeating: The smell of Poncirus fruit, and presumably also the taste, depends on which person's nose is doing the smelling!
I have passed some Poncirus fruits around at different meetings with groups of people and asked them to describe the smell. Most agreed with me that it was quite pleasant, but between 10% and 20% found them really unpleasant - some even saying they smelled of dog poo! A few people seemed to detect both a good citrusy smell and the bad smell at the same time.
I can't detect any fragrance from the flowers, but perhaps this also depends on the nose as much as the flower.

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All the leaves in your photos appear to have three leaflets, so, as dytandme says, this is either Poncirus or some other trifoliate rootstock. If you follow the main trunk upwards, is there no part which is still producing single leaves? If so, the original top variety could still be rescued by hacking off all the branches that have trifoliate leaves back to the main trunk. This could re-invigorate the top variety if no trifoliate shoots are allowed to grow.
However, the black hole at ground level and split trunk above it, are signs of phytophthera root rot. That's not a good sign. It may not spread or it may eventually girdle the whole trunk and kill everything above. If you want to risk it, you should choose one or two of the trifoliate shoots for grafting and remove the rest.
If you don't want to take the risk, then dig the whole thing up and buy a new tree!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: blood lime x yuzu
« on: June 17, 2024, 11:25:35 AM »
Blood Lime itself is already a complex hybrid and seedlings are very variable even without deliberate crossing.

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Definitely scale insects.
Scrape them off or use something like an old toothbrush to remove them.
Can sometimes remove most with a forceful hose but take care the water jet doesn't cause damage.
Or spray with horticultural oil at correct dilution.
Neem oil also works, or a homemade white spraying oil - recipes are online using vegetable oil.
Note that oil sprays will kill the scale but they often remain in place and appear much the same as before.

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I'm quite old and, over the years, I've seen a fair number of ambitious backyard citrus breeders who decide that crossing varietyX with varietyY will doubtless produce a desirable result. Invariably, everything then goes quiet and we hear no more.
The trouble is that it takes so long and there are plenty of pitfalls along the way. First your cross-pollination has to succeed, then a hybrid plant has to grow to maturity and finally it needs to be evaluated, compared to existing types, and propagated. Unless you have plenty of time, patience, money, growing space - and luck - most people fail to produce anything of value. I include myself in this group! I think it is only the big institutions that are really capable of spending the years developing a new citrus variety, and they aren't interested in backyard growers.
So, I wish you luck and hope you prove me wrong!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this root rot on my lemon tree ?
« on: April 07, 2024, 04:37:05 PM »
The root rot will only spread if the medium is too wet and lacking aeration. Most of your plant's roots still look in good condition considering that peat and coir can easily stay too wet. It looks like the pot is traditional clay which helps by permitting evaporation through the sides.
When you re-pot (using a gritty, free draining mix) you should only use a slightly bigger container. Going from 20 litres to 50 litres is likely to leave a considerable volume of new mix which can stay too damp because there are no roots to absorb moisture. Roots starting to try and penetrate this region are likely to rot.

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Citrus General Discussion / Trifoliate flower scent?
« on: March 17, 2024, 01:40:04 PM »
I often come across references to the scent of Citrus trifoliata (=Poncirus) flowers. Sometimes they are even said to be 'highly scented'. For example, see https://www.rhsplants.co.uk/plants/_/citrus-trifoliata/classid.2000048885/
I know different people's sense of smell can vary, but I can detect no fragrance at all from trifoliate flowers.
What do you think? Smell or no smell?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Need Help with ID of citrus rootstock
« on: March 12, 2024, 06:00:33 PM »
I have read that the success rate of rooting trifoliata cuttings depends on the age of the plant from which the cutting is taken. Cuttings from young seedlings were said to root easily but mature, flowering age ones were nearly impossible.
This agrees with my experience, though admittedly in the cool summers we have in England. I have tried cuttings from flowering trifoliata plants but they just stayed green for over a year and never produced any roots.
Can anyone confirm they have actually rooted mature cuttings? I would love to produce instant flowering plants in this way!

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