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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Boto (Detarium microcarpum)
« on: March 27, 2024, 03:51:10 AM »
Grown a few trees in Texas-

Cold killed them all, agree it is tasty though

Thank you very much for your reply. I'm curious to know at what temperature your boto died? Can they take light frost? Or are they really too sensitive to the cold?
I know that in Texas you can get very cold spells (February 2021 I think)?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Boto (Detarium microcarpum)
« on: March 26, 2024, 05:00:28 AM »
Hello,
Do any of you grow Boto (Detarium microcarpum)? This fabaceous plant has a very surprising flavor, I find it has hints of dried tomato and spicy tamarillo! It's a fruit eaten locally in Africa, and in the 90s Orkos began marketing it in Europe.
I wanted to know if it was a bit hardy (USDA 9b or USDA 10a)? And how successful is its cultivation outside its endemic zone?
If anyone grows this fruit, and if it's ever rustic, I'd love a fresh seed!
Thanks




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Hello,
I'd like to ask you a few questions about the Aravaipa avocado tree. An Off Grid Athlete video mentions two possible origins for the avocado tree: Arizona 1 and Arizona 2. Is this possible? I do not find this video anymore...
The age of the mother avocado tree differs according to the sources, some talking about the end of the 19th century and others the beginning of the 20th. I think it's important to know whether it withstood the historic cold snap of 1913 in Arizona.
Here in France, we're just beginning to observe its behavior. Winter has been mild, so it hasn't yet shown its qualities against the other avocado trees in the garden (several seedlings of Mexican, Bacon...).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOxf3CZ6bY

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cold hardy Manilkara zapota ?
« on: January 11, 2024, 08:02:59 AM »
It's not uncommon for some tropical fruit trees to have more cold-hardy cousins. I wonder if there aren't plants related to the sapodilla that are more resistant to cold than 28°F? Aren't there plants that have developed at altitude and are more tolerant of cold conditions?
And among the current varieties (Alano, Makok, Modello...), are there any hardy cultivars?

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Hello,
I'm a white Sapotes enthusiast, unfortunately in France it's very difficult to get hold of them, there are only a few trees in the botanical gardens on the Côte d'Azur.
I'm surprised to see Younghan's Gold classified as Casimiroa tetrameria, as I have a grafted tree and the underside of the leaves doesn't seem very downy to me.
What are the characteristics of C. tetrameria that distinguish it from C. edulis? It seems to me that the seeds are smaller, the leaves broader and the undersides downy? Any other unique features?
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Both C. tetrameria on C. edulis and visa versa produce dwarfing one combination more than the other.
There's obviously a strong grafting affinity between these two Casimiroa. Is it also possible to graft onto C. pringlei?
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Have had C. edulis damaged by frost, but never had C. tetrameria show any effect.
I thought it was exactly the opposite, thanks for the feedback. What temperature did your trees endure?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wani (Mangifera caesia) cold hardiness ?
« on: October 17, 2023, 06:04:51 AM »
Wani is a good fruit. I don’t have it in production yet but I have eaten the fruit in Sabah, Borneo.
I don’t want to compare it to the fine mangoes that are most commonly discussed on this forum. Wani is very different and is generally appreciated. I was actually unaware of this mango when I came upon it at a botanical collection. We were shocked by the very white flesh and impressed with the nice tasting fruit.
Peter

In the 90s, I worked at Orkos, which offered exotic fruits that were rare in Europe. We had selected Wani from Bali because they were really superior to other varieties (less fibrous, juicier and sweeter). And even in these conditions, there's a lot of variability from one tree to another and according to the degree of ripeness at harvest.

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Sure, we grow it. But by ‘nobody’ you mean those living in unsuitable areas?
Peter

Peter, am I to understand from your answer that there's no chance of the Wani adapting to the Mediterranean region like the others in the mangifera genus?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wani (Mangifera caesia) cold hardiness ?
« on: October 16, 2023, 04:32:08 AM »
I'm afraid nobody grows this fruit? It's a shame, because it's probably one of the best! Maybe not as good as the durian, but not far off!!!!
I'm posting a few photos of fruit (the flavor is reminiscent of soursop, only sweeter and milder).





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Wani (Mangifera caesia) cold hardiness ?
« on: October 15, 2023, 03:12:14 AM »
Hello,
Everything is in the title!
What is the cold tolerance of the white mango or Wani ?
It's such a good fruit ! It's cultivated in Bali.

I think it is very frost sensitive, but last month I discovered a Kweni (Mangifera odorata) in Ligurie (north of Italy) without protection. So maybe Wani is also 9b/10a ????

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What about Engkalak (Litsea garciae) ? I remember an interesting taste like safou/pili/olive/avocado mix !

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For Cherbourg's avocado tree, you can probably contact the person who post the picture on Facebook ?
For London's trees, they talk about it in this thread
https://permies.com/t/200/56348/Avocados-Frost-Europe-info-cold
But I think that the most interesting specimen is inland Netherlands: it's a Fantastic tree, please don't ask me more !
I do think that it's the more rustic fruiting avocado tree in the world (?)
https://acclimatons.com/avocatiers-meritants/

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Cherbourg avocado tree.
North of France.
By the way, London avocados have damages after the lastest winter.



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I'm talking to you about avocado trees, I've noticed a very big difference in productivity between the varieties. For example, my Mexican avocado tree only produces about ten fruits while the Hass produces many more! I noticed in an avocado orchard in France (yes, it exists!) that the Hass produced much more than the Bacon and the Fuerte. As I like avocados very much and almost all varieties as long as the fruits are not picked too early. My question is: which varieties produce the most (if possible, favoring varieties that are hardy enough because the Hass is limited for my growing area).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cold hardy papaya with good taste ?
« on: April 10, 2023, 05:52:51 AM »
Hello,
In this video, the TropicalGardenGuy
https://youtu.be/C-CnMuvjgIk shows a cold hardy papaya. Unfortunately it tastes not so good if I understand the comments.
I have already try to eat babaco and oak leaf papaya, but the raw flavor seems poor.
My question is : is there any good taste cold hardy (zone 9) papaya?


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Hi folks!
You can visit La Conception botanical garden. They introduce new fruit tree when I was there 6 years ago. Curious if the jackfruit, litchi, longan, banana Cavendish, sapote mamey are still there? Please let me know!
https://acclimatons.com/le-jardin-botanique-de-malaga-la-concepcion/
There are also a fruit festival this year at Rufino (he is passionate by tropical fruit, you should go and visit his land).
https://fruitstock.eu/fruitstock-festival/?fbclid=IwAR1tVimp6DV3B5Cqjco0gCF5OLNLoB9qLPnXlisCJzjU1IV2nkBtsTzge0w&prenom=Aude&email=teyssota%40yahoo.fr&ev=242774

There are many interesting producer of mango between Motril / Nerja/ Velez Malaga, as well as nurseries.
By the way, anyone know if frutales tropicales nursery still exist (they used to have rare tropical fruit)?

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I was wondering whether you grow this avocado tree outside or inside the greenhouse ?
What is the minimal temperature the tree has to handle ?
Thank you,

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Casimiroa pringlei
« on: March 31, 2021, 03:48:29 AM »
Thank you for all this valuable information.
I have a few questions:
- have you ever tasted casimiroa pringlei? Is it much more bitter than casimiroa edulis?
- how did casimiroa edulis perform in Texas during this cold snap?
- More generally, are there hardy varieties of avocado trees in Texas (fantastic, wilma...) did they survive this rare event?
- Did citrus trees also survive?
I think this kind of climatic event can help to select hardy varieties.
I would be very interested to have some seeds of casimiro pringlei because here in France the conditions are too cold for casimiroa edulis. Please contact me by PM.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Searching Chaffey Cherimoya seeds
« on: October 28, 2020, 05:48:11 AM »
Hello,
It seems that Chaffey cherimoya is relatively  cold hardy. I would be interested in some seeds, if anyone has this variety (no other variety unless they are even more resistant to cold).
Please contact me by private message with your conditions?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Searching Sapote Pringlei seeds
« on: August 17, 2020, 05:39:43 AM »
Hello,
I'm looking for fresh Sapote Pringlei seeds.
Thank You

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Successfull zone pushing examples
« on: October 22, 2019, 08:40:18 AM »
I'm in USDA zone 9a. In February 2018, we had very cold temperature. In my garden, about -9°C. Sapote Blanco ( Casimiroa edulis) survived, the young and tender leaves drop, but the trees recover well during the summer.
Tamarillo (Solanum betaceum) all aerial parts were damaged, but also recover well. Some avocado tree dies, but not all ! Citrus were fine.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best places for fruit hunting in S France
« on: September 20, 2019, 03:36:50 PM »
Do you find interesting places in France?
I think that people in France are rarely cultivating eddible fruits. they focus on decorative plants and flowers.

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If you really care about rare\exotic plants, there's nothing like Menton in France. A gardener told me that in garavan (a quartier of Menton) there were no frost during the xx century.
Last week I saw a ceriman (Monstera deliciosa) fruiting. In Val rameh botanic garden there's a large Bombax ceiba. Near the casino a very big Ficus ellastica, and near Menton at Roquebrune you will find the oldest Oliver tree (some people claim it's the oldest three on Earth, but I think it's not...).
I wrote several articles on my blog about this unexpected USDA zone 11 in France:

http://acclimatons.com/cat/menton/

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I would recommend you to visit Menton if you like nice gardens.
You will find more information here:
https://www.menton.fr/-Menton-ville-Jardin-.html
Near Menton : jardin botanique de Monaco, villa hambury (Italia)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing cherimoya in France
« on: July 02, 2019, 05:15:53 AM »
cherimoya should do fine in poor soil and hot weather. In fact I have a few seedlings that are grown in pure desert soil.

As for Avocado, it does not do well in hot weather but, It can be grown in a little bit of shade.
Incredible !!! I 'm very surprised, shade must be very helpful.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing cherimoya in France
« on: July 02, 2019, 05:13:49 AM »
Check the ph because that wall its made of calcareous stone .Even if they are tolerant of alkaline conditions ,the alkalinity near that wall might be too much for them especially after a rainy season because the rain water draws CO2 from air and becomes slightly acid and then it dissolves a little of that wall .
So I have just bought a PH meter it indicates 6.0. What do you think ?



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