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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Picking my first Xie Shans
« on: September 14, 2023, 06:54:30 PM »

Does this not getting orange color in warm climates apply to other citrus or just satsumas? I have other types and wondering if I should do the same.

On a related note, do citrus need heat or cool to sweeten the fruit? I keep reading conflicting information.

Thanks again!

Citrus peels change color due to the loss of chlorophyll in the peel from cool weather (just like fall leaves up north). I believe you will only have an issue with your early season fruit not turning color. The mid and late season varieties should get enough cold to turn color. Valencias will go from green to orange and then back to green (around June if they make it that long) as chlorophyll comes back into the peel.

As to your other question, it is my understanding that warm weather durring ripening increases sugars while cool weather increases acids (flavor). Its the balance between the two that make the fruit taste good. Some fruits naturally have high sugars and others have high acids. That is why some varieties taste better when grown in California and others taste better when grown in Florida. That being said, a lot of old Crackers say that cool weather makes the fruit sweeter. I wonder if this is just the natural result of the ripening process or if there is an effect from the dry weather that comes with the winter months concentrating the sugars that are already in the fruit. I'm sure that made things crystal clear for you.  ::) lol!

Thank you both for your responses and Galatians, this helped me tremendously as Iíd never gotten a clear answer on this.  What you say makes perfect sense. Iím going to bookmark this thread and report back what I observe with my varieties now that theyíre coming into production.

For comparison, I cut up a Ponkan I knocked off the tree and it was much juicer and flavorful but very acidic, with no sweetness. Hereís some pics.








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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Picking my first Xie Shans
« on: September 14, 2023, 04:28:25 PM »

I did as you suggested but the fruits were dry and bland. Do you think they may get juicer with time?

FruitGrower, I suspect that this crop of your fruits are already overripe and will only get worse with time.  However, as Millet said the quality of future crops should improve as years go by. 

I suggest you pick some of the greenest, least ripe-appearing fruit and see how they are.  They may be better than the yellow ones.  If they are, you should probably pick all of the fruits immediately and make a note to pick them green next year.

Thank you. I did as you suggested and picked a green fruit that is close to full size and it was much better than the overripe ones (I picked the other one with color for wither comparison), though still not great. Iím hoping the fruit improves with tree age.

Does this not getting orange color in warm climates apply to other citrus or just satsumas? I have other types and wondering if I should do the same.

On a related note, do citrus need heat or cool to sweeten the fruit? I keep reading conflicting information.

Thanks again!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Picking my first Xie Shans
« on: September 13, 2023, 07:58:52 PM »
Absolutely the fruits of any citrus variety become better with the age of the tree. Each year the fruit will improve.  Generally a 5 year old tree produces high quality fruit.  I remember Dr. Malcolm Manners writing on the old forum, the very best fruit he ever ate was from a 25 year old grapefruit tree growing on the grounds of Florida Southern University.

Thank you Millet, this is one of the things I had considered. It makes sense as the tree is only 3-4 years old.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Picking my first Xie Shans
« on: September 13, 2023, 05:30:02 PM »
These may be optimally ripe while still green even in cooler areas.   I suggest picking one of the yellow ones and see how it is.   

I recall reading that in very warm locations such as yours citrus may not ever color up properly and if you wait for orange it may spoiled.  I have an off-season crop of Dekopan/Shiranui/Sumo now that is still only half yellow but I think is actually overripe, because it matured during summer.

I did as you suggested but the fruits were dry and bland. Do you think they may get juicer with time?








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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Picking my first Xie Shans
« on: September 12, 2023, 09:30:38 PM »
My Xie Shan fruited for the first time this year and the first fruits are coloring up.  Can anyone give any insight on what factors I should look for to pick it at optimal ripeness. I am in Miami if that helps.  Thanks for any insight.

Hereís some pics.








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Citrus General Discussion / Picking my first Xie Shans
« on: September 12, 2023, 08:26:06 PM »
My Xie Shan fruited for the first time this year and the first fruits are coloring up.  Can anyone give any insight on what factors I should look for to pick it at optimal ripeness. I am in Miami if that helps.  Thanks for any insight.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good Florida atemoyas
« on: September 12, 2023, 12:32:56 PM »
Can't really speak to the AP since its not the commonly grown here.
The bud wood was sold to me as arka sahan, but its doesn't seem to be that either, on another thread a few other growers chimed in and said it was probably AP.
Either way, the fruit isn't great, trying to top work it now


The other two are spot on.
Finally has a prime Dream and it certainly deserves all the hype it gets from the Florida annona growers.

Thanks for updating us. Iím going to top-work my AP? that I got from you. Out of the 3 I have left, itís the slowest growing. Calostro and H. Pink Mammoth are growing much faster.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rosigold v. Dwarf Hawaiian?
« on: September 04, 2023, 08:43:58 PM »
I'm in the market for an early season mango. Location is coastal, zone 11a. I want as many opinions as I can get on these two varieties.

Thanks in advance.

I wonít comment on taste since thatís personal preference but I do think Rosigold is just a bit earlier than the DH.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: TM Red Jack Fruit
« on: September 02, 2023, 11:15:06 AM »
I would call it more reddish-orange. Hereís whatís left.The darker sections of the bulbs are a pretty close representation.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: TM Red Jack Fruit
« on: September 01, 2023, 11:05:01 PM »
I was able to cut up my jack and Iím pretty sure I have the real thing. Even coming from a neglected tree and picked early, itís one of if not the best jackfruits Iíve had, especially the darker/ riper bulbs from the bottom. The latex was minimal but there was an average amount of rag.

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I PMíd you about the abius, Iíll take them.

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I used the Bayer in my potted citrus a long time ago. It didnít stop the psylids and they all got HLB and died. The only method Iíve found effective and I mention it whenever I can, is to grow under a protective netting.
Sorry itís not exactly what you asked but, like others posted, in Florida, you have to expect psylids and ime the Bayer Advanced did nothing for them. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: TM Red Jack Fruit
« on: August 27, 2023, 10:17:56 PM »
Iíve been following this thread as I have a TMR tree that just fruited for the first time this year. Unfortunately, itís at a rental home and I donít go there often. I went today and saw that 1 of the 2 fruits were rotten, so I went ahead and picked the other, but it appears I picked the other one prematurely, so I donít think it will be a good example. Nonetheless, hereís some pics.












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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB Marang Seeds
« on: August 27, 2023, 03:11:30 AM »
Looking for Marang seeds, please post PM me.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Good Florida atemoyas
« on: August 24, 2023, 11:19:27 PM »
I have African Pride, Calostro, and Hawaiian Pink Mammoth from you that I hope fruit next year but one I didnít see mentioned that is one of my favorites is Phet Pakchong. Great fruit that sets well on its own.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB or Trade Mango Scions Locally
« on: August 19, 2023, 06:09:43 PM »
Hi,
Iím looking to buy or trade scions of the following mango varieties:
- Lil Gem
- Jehangir
- Super Alphonso
- Baileys Marvel
- ST Maui

In Miami Dade or Broward.

I have to offer:
- Beverly
- CAC
- Carrie (2)
- Cotton candy
- Edward
- Fairchild
- Fruit Punch
- Guava
- Honey Kiss
- Ice Cream
- Juliette
- Kesar
- M-4
- Malika
- Orange Essence
- Orange Sherbet
- Pina Colada
- Pineapple Pleasure
- Sugarloaf
- Sweet Tart
- Val-Carrie

Please PM me.

Thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing Juliette mango?
« on: August 12, 2023, 01:55:26 PM »
Iíve only had one or two from TA but they were good enough for me to get a tree. Excellent growth habit; slow-growing, dense/ compact, upright.  Canít comment on fruiting yet as mine is still too young. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Year Round Mamey
« on: July 04, 2023, 08:56:44 PM »
I have Lorito too. It is said to bear at the same time as Pantin though. Do you know the season for Excalibur?

Yes, but Iíve heard from a knowledgeable source that Lorito is the superior fruit.

You could also add green Sapote (close enough to mamey) for more winter fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Visiting Jacksonville
« on: June 12, 2023, 02:05:59 PM »
If you're near downtown, there's a famous old oak tree down by the Riverwalk that is huge and worth seeing.

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Citrus plants, in my experience, go to sleep for a bit when planted in ground. It's a combination of root shock, and awareness that they're no longer constrained and will focus on root growth instead of top growth.

The severity of the shock will determine how long it's asleep. If it's bad enough that you get leaf drop, you'd pretty much waiting until next season for anything to happen other than mild leaf growth.

Just be careful not to overfeed during this period, as it can actually make the issue worse.

Too much water can also stunt growth, though I'm not sure how much of an issue that would be with how sandy your soil appears to be.

My experience was similar. Although I didnít plant in ground, I did up-pot significantly, from 15 to 35 gal. I did that in mid to late January and it didnít recover till I wrote you in May, more than 3 months later. Whatís done is done but next time I would give it a chance to recover. Hope your new one works out!

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Citrus plants, in my experience, go to sleep for a bit when planted in ground. It's a combination of root shock, and awareness that they're no longer constrained and will focus on root growth instead of top growth.

The severity of the shock will determine how long it's asleep. If it's bad enough that you get leaf drop, you'd pretty much waiting until next season for anything to happen other than mild leaf growth.

Just be careful not to overfeed during this period, as it can actually make the issue worse.

Too much water can also stunt growth, though I'm not sure how much of an issue that would be with how sandy your soil appears to be.

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Citrus plants, in my experience, go to sleep for a bit when planted in ground. It's a combination of root shock, and awareness that they're no longer constrained and will focus on root growth instead of top growth.

The severity of the shock will determine how long it's asleep. If it's bad enough that you get leaf drop, you'd pretty much waiting until next season for anything to happen other than mild leaf growth.

Just be careful not to overfeed during this period, as it can actually make the issue worse.

Too much water can also stunt growth, though I'm not sure how much of an issue that would be with how sandy your soil appears to be.

My experience was similar. Although I didnít plant in ground, I did up-pot significantly, from 15 to 35 gal. I did that in mid to late January and it didnít recover till I wrote you in May, more than 3 months later. Whatís done is done but next time I would give it a chance to recover. Hope your new one works out!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: TM Red Jack Fruit
« on: May 29, 2023, 04:16:20 PM »
Anyone have their TM Red Jack Fruit Tree fruited yet? Excalibur was selling this few years ago. Mine is growing but no fruit yet. Mine have few male flowers. I am waiting to see the quality and color of the fruit.

Mine is holding its first small fruit this year.

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