Author Topic: Eugenia involucrata (Cherry of Rio Grande) Cultivars (Read 37979 times)

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #25 on:** October 08, 2012, 03:13:42 PM »

Quote from: luc on October 07, 2012, 01:55:46 PM

This my best and biggest E . involucrata , first fruiting this year .

just a random seedling? or one that was labeled giant?

I think ben poirier collected the one that is giant form...and it got stuck with the name bens beaut.

thanks for posting the delicious picture Luc!

Hollywood · « **Reply #26 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:53:54 PM »

Adam- sounds like it has a lot of potential as an edible hedge. Put me down as an interested buyer if your trials go well.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #27 on:** October 09, 2012, 05:12:52 PM »

Quote from: Hollywood on October 08, 2012, 10:53:54 PM

Adam- sounds like it has a lot of potential as an edible hedge. Put me down as an interested buyer if your trials go well.

the only problems I can see in the future for utilizing this one as a hedge, would be the fact the the fruits are borne on the new growth, and you might have a hedge like Bill Whitmans Grumichama...that never really fruited..for the same reason.

Also....I'm wondering if the tree might grow considerably larger once I graft it onto a different root stock?

I'm just not sure...but I will take pics of the original tree, and pics of the fruits...inside and out...also comparing them to several other trees in town.

According to the owner of the tree (master gardener who's been growing/eating cherry of the rio grandes for years, this one tree is outstanding...but she never thought to graft it! as most people don't!)

thanks for your kind words...I'll be sure to keep you informed.

ScottR · « **Reply #28 on:** October 09, 2012, 11:50:05 PM »

Adam, when is the best time to graft Eugenia's, I have a tasty seedling and a dud,so need to graft over dud,

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #29 on:** October 10, 2012, 09:52:51 AM »

I had luck with grafting after the fruits were harvested,and new growth started to push (spring)

u may be able to graft now, but success rate might be higher in spring or summer.

if you have enough scions and rootstocks, go ahead and see if u can beat the winter.

victory · « **Reply #30 on:** October 11, 2012, 12:22:40 PM »

I would love to get a few of these if/when they are available. I have 3 but the fruit are small. I called Papaya Tree Nursery but they won't ship Ben's Beaut or the other cultivar they carry to Fort Lauderdale. I don't know of any nurseries in Florida that carry grafted varieties...

Recher · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2012, 08:15:11 AM »

Ben's Beaut or the other cultivar they carry to Fort Lauderdale.

What is so superior about Ben's Beauty ? (just in case I am mistaken)

THE are NOT cultivar. They are seedling selections.

I have five mature trees. Other people have complained about their light fruiting. Three of mine are light fruiters. One produces regular bumper crops. All fruit same quality like grumichama, jaboticaba, unlike pitanga.

I believe my heavy fruiter is not a genetic thing but location.

The only way to tell is clonal propagation and much wider distribution for trial. If I were to grow more seedling plants I would of course grow from the heavy bearing one not because that's where the seed is but just in case its a winner but then to be a cultivar almost all others in disparate locations would have to be light fruiters

So I have a tree that is insanely delicious..I love the fruit.. It produces great crops but I would never release it as if it was a cultivar. i would label it seedling selection with a name. Now if they all ripened at the same time instead of the 'dumb' staggering they do I would be truly excited that maybe I got a seedling wonder.

Do other people's involcurata ripen unevenly?

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #32 on:** October 12, 2012, 02:01:45 PM »

Paul,

bens beaut is a named selection from the naturally occurring giant form of e involucrata. the fruits are almost twice the size of all other trees.

look in the book I let u borrow, and you'll see reference to the giant form.

they are just seedlings as you've said, but they're special. and now their stuck with these dog poop names.

no trials...just big ass fruit as noted by Ben, and those around him in CA.

but special enough to pique my interest, and make me bust out the grafting kit.

(although after meeting u in person, I totally agree with u, and wish more growers were as dedicated and prudent as u!

Abe

Recher · « **Reply #33 on:** October 12, 2012, 02:04:34 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on October 12, 2012, 02:01:45 PM

Paul,

bens beaut is a named selection from the naturally occurring giant form of e involucrata. the fruits are almost twice the size of all other trees.

look in the book I let u borrow, and you'll see reference to the giant form.

they are just seedlings as you've said, but they're special. and now their stuck with these dog poop names.

no trials...just big ass fruit as noted by Ben, and those around him in CA.

enough to peak my interest, and make me bust outthe grafting kit.

(although after meeting u in person, I totally agree with u, and wish more growers were as dedicated and prudent as u!

Abe

I BELIEVE... MY BIGGEST WOULD BE 1 1/2 " / 4 CM.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #34 on:** October 12, 2012, 02:08:26 PM »

what's the book say about the giants size?

comparable? or noticeable diff?

Recher · « **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2012, 02:30:02 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on October 12, 2012, 02:08:26 PM

what's the book say about the giants size?

comparable? or noticeable diff?

Extract: Eugenia involcurata : cherry of the Rio Grande giant - forma also found in nature, however, more rare it has fruits that are much larger than the others

The other picture shows a rounder smaller form

All mine and i believe Ben's fall into the elongated rarer big type.

As stated I believe my outstanding tree is its location and its somewhat bigger size than the rest is again management and nutrition. It is delicious. Turkey food = gobble, gobble, gobble

ALL MY FRUIT regardless of tree are elongated and absolute minimum size 1" / 2.5 cm with almost all like the pic an dnot less than 3 cm.

SO Ben's is big in relation to the round form but to be twice the size of the 'normal, rarer' large form it would have to be hitting 2 1/2 inches / 6 cm minimum.

Book also indicates better tasting. Except for Lorenzi book, I never seen the rounded small one.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #36 on:** October 12, 2012, 03:24:26 PM »

bens beaut next to regular cherry.

picture says 1000 words.

thats what all the fuss is about.

the grafted trees keep making large fruits, so they have high demand.

Recher · « **Reply #37 on:** October 12, 2012, 04:21:44 PM »

YES and it sure looks like the round forma

HMHausman · « **Reply #38 on:** October 12, 2012, 05:41:21 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on October 12, 2012, 03:24:26 PM

bens beaut next to regular cherry.

picture says 1000 words.

thats what all the fuss is about.

the grafted trees keep making large fruits, so they have high demand.

Hmmmmm, looks nice, but very grumichama-ish.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #39 on:** October 12, 2012, 07:21:58 PM »

Quote from: HMHausman on October 12, 2012, 05:41:21 PM

Hmmmmm, looks nice, but very grumichama-ish.

how bout this batch of ben's beauts?
they remind u of a grumixama? or same size as the fruits u normally harvest off of your seedling trees?

Quote from: Recher on October 12, 2012, 04:21:44 PM

YES and it sure looks like the round forma

this group looks less round eh?

Recher · « **Reply #40 on:** October 12, 2012, 08:25:35 PM »

yes now back to elongated...hmmmm

Mike T · « **Reply #41 on:** October 12, 2012, 08:44:25 PM »

Wow they are whoppers and a name renovation is in order even if if you are no name caller Saff.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #42 on:** October 12, 2012, 09:05:36 PM »

yes, they've been named Bens beaut, but I think they're just the rare giant form.

there's a few other named selections around...after I collect them I'll tell u what they are.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #43 on:** October 12, 2012, 09:09:12 PM »

look how large the leaflets (or whatever the real term is) behind the bens beaut fruits are!

is this normal for them to be so large? I don't remember any cherries having those large leaves at the base of the fruit.

update: looked up some pics...leaflets are big and small, it just depends on the tree...they seem highly variable...just like e unilfora!

HMHausman · « **Reply #44 on:** October 12, 2012, 10:23:57 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on October 12, 2012, 07:21:58 PM

Quote from: HMHausman on October 12, 2012, 05:41:21 PM

Hmmmmm, looks nice, but very grumichama-ish.

how bout this batch of ben's beauts?
they remind u of a grumixama? or same size as the fruits u normally harvest off of your seedling trees?

Quote from: Recher on October 12, 2012, 04:21:44 PM
YES and it sure looks like the round forma

this group looks less round eh?

"Beaut" seems appropos.....much less grumichama-ish for sure. Thanks for the further pictoral explanation.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #45 on:** February 02, 2013, 01:07:20 AM »

Ben's Beaut begins to bloom.

fyliu · « **Reply #46 on:** February 02, 2013, 02:16:52 AM »

This special one looks really nice compared to the regular one. This is Ben Porier in Vista/Fallbrook? I'll have to ask for it the next time I see him.

HMHausman · « **Reply #47 on:** February 02, 2013, 09:09:14 AM »

Quote from: ASaffron on February 02, 2013, 01:07:20 AM

Ben's Beaut begins to bloom.

Wow. The ornamental beauty of this tree alone makes it worth the effort. Did I hear these are being propagated? If so, please put me on the list for one when they are available. Thanks.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #48 on:** February 02, 2013, 12:38:22 PM »

Harry,

yes they are!

I will put you on the list.

I might have about 3 ready by March/April.

thanks!!

cbss_daviefl · « **Reply #49 on:** February 03, 2013, 07:51:05 AM »

Adam, that is a great picture. I am interested in a grafted rio grande too. I am more interested in flavor. Is Ben also superior in flavor?

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Author Topic: Eugenia involucrata (Cherry of Rio Grande) Cultivars (Read 37979 times)