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Water accumulation in your neighboorhood
pagnr:
--- Quote from: Calusa on May 26, 2023, 03:53:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Julie on May 26, 2023, 03:41:37 PM ---Is anyone seeing a lot of (or more than in the past) water accumulation in your neighborhood? My street never had this issue before, I specifically bought a house that wasn't in a flood zone, but this rainy season is different. Huge puddles are flooding the streets. It seems like climate change is here. Also the cold weather today is strange for this time of year.
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Julie, if having puddles in Miami means climate change is there, then climate change isn't 350 miles away in St pete, where there are piles of dry sand that's been blown freely by the wind because we have almost no rain at all. What used to be our lawns is now a crunchy mass of dead matter that sounds like you're walking across corn flakes. ;D
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That is Climate Change, the two events are linked.
The rain and weather patterns change or shift in time or geography, or the drought / rain cycle frequency changes.
Last Year was a very wet year here in Australia, this year it is already much drier, little rain.
Also the rain pattern here has move from winter rain to summer rain, similar to further north.
Disaster for grape and stone fruit farmers, with increased fungi and moulds.
Calusa:
--- Quote from: pagnr on May 26, 2023, 06:30:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Calusa on May 26, 2023, 03:53:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Julie on May 26, 2023, 03:41:37 PM ---Is anyone seeing a lot of (or more than in the past) water accumulation in your neighborhood? My street never had this issue before, I specifically bought a house that wasn't in a flood zone, but this rainy season is different. Huge puddles are flooding the streets. It seems like climate change is here. Also the cold weather today is strange for this time of year.
--- End quote ---
Julie, if having puddles in Miami means climate change is there, then climate change isn't 350 miles away in St pete, where there are piles of dry sand that's been blown freely by the wind because we have almost no rain at all. What used to be our lawns is now a crunchy mass of dead matter that sounds like you're walking across corn flakes. ;D
--- End quote ---
That is Climate Change, the two events are linked.
The rain and weather patterns change or shift in time or geography, or the drought / rain cycle frequency changes.
Last Year was a very wet year here in Australia, this year it is already much drier, little rain.
Also the rain pattern here has move from winter rain to summer rain, similar to further north.
Disaster for grape and stone fruit farmers, with increased fungi and moulds.
--- End quote ---
That's climate change? Really? ;)
I've lived in Florida my entire life, and I've seen floods and I've seen droughts. I've seen 100 degree+ temperatures decades ago and I've seen 16 degrees in Central Florida. All this in a span of 65+ years. What we are seeing in Florida right now, we have already seen it decades ago. It's weather, it's cyclical. Climate change - real climate change not the kind that CNN, NatGO and the Weather Channel hype constantly - takes place so slowly that no living human lives long enough to notice it or record it. But that won't stop the university "scientists" who have been politicized so as to keep the funding in place for their "studies", the results of which somehow dovetail perfectly with what we hear from every Chicken Little in the country. These are the same people who told us back in the 1970's that the planet was going to freeze solid and kill everything we humans need to eat.
Sorry to disagree, but I am a native Floridian and I come from a few generations of native Floridians who have more smarts and common sense and lived longer than a lot of these fakes who spew climate change non-stop.
johnb51:
--- Quote from: Calusa on May 26, 2023, 09:53:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: pagnr on May 26, 2023, 06:30:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Calusa on May 26, 2023, 03:53:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Julie on May 26, 2023, 03:41:37 PM ---Is anyone seeing a lot of (or more than in the past) water accumulation in your neighborhood? My street never had this issue before, I specifically bought a house that wasn't in a flood zone, but this rainy season is different. Huge puddles are flooding the streets. It seems like climate change is here. Also the cold weather today is strange for this time of year.
--- End quote ---
Julie, if having puddles in Miami means climate change is there, then climate change isn't 350 miles away in St pete, where there are piles of dry sand that's been blown freely by the wind because we have almost no rain at all. What used to be our lawns is now a crunchy mass of dead matter that sounds like you're walking across corn flakes. ;D
--- End quote ---
That is Climate Change, the two events are linked.
The rain and weather patterns change or shift in time or geography, or the drought / rain cycle frequency changes.
Last Year was a very wet year here in Australia, this year it is already much drier, little rain.
Also the rain pattern here has move from winter rain to summer rain, similar to further north.
Disaster for grape and stone fruit farmers, with increased fungi and moulds.
--- End quote ---
That's climate change? Really? ;)
I've lived in Florida my entire life, and I've seen floods and I've seen droughts. I've seen 100 degree+ temperatures decades ago and I've seen 16 degrees in Central Florida. All this in a span of 65+ years. What we are seeing in Florida right now, we have already seen it decades ago. It's weather, it's cyclical. Climate change - real climate change not the kind that CNN, NatGO and the Weather Channel hype constantly - takes place so slowly that no living human lives long enough to notice it or record it. But that won't stop the university "scientists" who have been politicized so as to keep the funding in place for their "studies", the results of which somehow dovetail perfectly with what we hear from every Chicken Little in the country. These are the same people who told us back in the 1970's that the planet was going to freeze solid and kill everything we humans need to eat.
Sorry to disagree, but I am a native Floridian and I come from a few generations of native Floridians who have more smarts and common sense and lived longer than a lot of these fakes who spew climate change non-stop.
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All those damn "scientists" and their worthless "PhDs"! Just trying to make money by scamming us. Why don't they get real jobs? >:( >:( >:(
Calusa:
--- Quote from: johnb51 on May 26, 2023, 10:40:59 PM ---All those damn "scientists" and their worthless "PhDs"! Just trying to make money by scamming us. Why don't they get real jobs? >:( >:( >:(
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Some of those smartass PHD's are now telling us that climate change is racist. There's no end to the bullshit flowing from academia these days regarding climate change.
It's really about protecting their jobs, keeping the government funding coming in, to fund those paychecks. Tell them what they want to hear. Wonderful arrangement.
Oh, there's much more to it than that but for the sake of this discussion I'll skip it. ;D
CeeJey:
EDIT: It's probably pointless to engage with people whose position boils down to "well it's not raining where *I* am so clearly it's not raining *anywhere*, and also my recollection of the weather in the place I live is more valid evidence than global satellite data" as if that were evidence or proof of anything, but for anybody else besides Calusa who's still on the fence on the whole climate change thing: Shell Oil (https://www.climatefiles.com/shell/1988-shell-report-greenhouse/) and Exxon (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063) both had internal research as far back as the 1970's that fossil fuel emissions were causing a CO2 buildup that would have effects before 2050. In fact, Exxon's own internal projections from that time period (https://www.climatefiles.com/harvard/assessing-exxonmobils-global-warming-projections-science-january-2023-supran-rahmstorf-oreskes-reference-documents/) are very close to independent scientists then and later, including those that Calusa dismisses as just wanting that gub'mint cash (a motivating factor that wouldn't have applied to Exxon's internal scientists, btw). Possibly closer, actually, since we're on track to hit 2 degrees of global warming (GLOBAL, so not just St. Petersburg or Miami) closer to Exxon's 1980's estimate than some more conservative models.
So yeah, we don't have to trust the scientists that people like Calusa thinks are biased for whatever reason, because the oil companies themselves came to the same conclusions as all those other climate scientists forty freaking years ago.
Also, ffs, Miami is 30-something feet lower in elevation on average than St Petersburg even before considering differences like water abatement or position in regards to weather or soil composition; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that hey maybe the *lower elevation* coastal city might see effects sooner, assuming the Exxon and Shell scientists to be correct.
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