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I got some by taking cuttings from ebay. I wonder if it is the right variety in the end.
Conclusion, on the contrary I am looking for the aspect with beautiful variegated leaves.

I have the impression that it is much easier to get a fig tree with no variegated leaves.

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Update of my 2022 list ( I start with the varieties I am looking for, the varieties I offer are after )

All scions are $5. Except for the last three proposals which are 10 dollars per scion.
Plus shipping costs.


Red fleshed apple:
Grenadine,
rose d'helnut,
maggy,
hall's pink,
pendragon,
rubayat,
discovery,
lune rouge.

Cider variety:
Pendragon,
paradis,
mettais,
rouge bruyère,
tête de brebis,
domaine,
kingston black.

Low natural vigour:
Astracan rouge,
moisson lente,
margil

Semi-weeping (under the weight of the fruit) or weeping:
Erect:
calville rouge d'octobre,
framboise d'olovaust,
honeycrisp,
royal gala,
reinette bauman,
chailleux,
claque pépin.

Medium vigour:
pigeonnet de jérusalem,
gravenstein,
calville du roi,
calville blanc d'hiver,
clochard,
red délicious.

Fairly strong vigour:
court pendu gris,
belle fille de salin,
fenouillet gris,
grise du canada,
reinette du mans,
reinette de france,
court pendu rouge.

Variety of which I have not had enough experience with their vigour but which have a correct vigour.
Melrose,
calville noir,
bénédictin,
belle joséphine de la brie,
framboise d'oberland,
patte de loup,
reine des reinette,
winter banana,
transparente de croncel,
grand alexandre,
grand mère,
bonnante,
nouvelle france,
tienshan ( malus siversii ),
coeur de beauf,
violette de monbéliard.
Ingrid marie,
alant,
coeur rouge,
seestermuher zitronapfel,
purpurella,
william pride,
sekai ichi,
cumberland,
vitgylling,
osterreicher,
sayaka,
bohemia gold,
gorgerous, jumbo,
zimnya limona,
shizuka,
reinette simirenko,
sundance,
lobo,
cortland,
liberty,
rosemary russet
marie madeleine,
calville ananas de liège,
d'arcy spice,
alant,
pays bou,
guldborg,
jacque lebel,
coutras des pyrénés,
freyberg,
gorge cave,
belle de boskoop rouge,
rose de muolen,
norfolk royal russet,
cornish aromatic,
cornish gilliflower,
ramane,
reinette ananas

I have not indicated my list of varieties under cov as far as I know. If ever a nursery comes to me and says that I have an illegal variety. I will remove it but only on one condition: that they give me a copy of the official documents (cov, patent) of the variety as proof. Because until I have proof to the contrary the honeycrisp variety is free of rights, this being only an example.

If ever some want to realize seedlings of protected varieties (it is authorized in Europe and in France): You can ask me next year: red love era, red love circe, red love calypso, baya marisa.

And if you want to sow in order to obtain a dwarf: maloni sally, maloni lilly and mini cox apfel.
I specify only for seeds or for dwarfs for experimentation of intermediate grafting between a frank and the reproduced variety.
This way it remains legal.

In serviceberry I propose scions of serviceberry canadensis (to be cut or grafted on hawthorn or quince tree and then to freeing).

European plum:
Anna spath,
reine claude violette,
reine claude dorée,
reine claude oullins,
prunelier à fruit doux,
mirabelle de nancy,
mirabelle de metz,
mirabelle parfumé de septembre,
sainte catherine, quetsch d'alsace,
debrescens,
birrwil,
prune d'or,
ramassine jaune,
jaune de fey, frigga,
jaune de granichen,
rosalotte reine claude,
victoria,
sucron,
goutte d'or,
belle de louvain,
kometa kuban,
bourbaki,
sinikka ,
sloupovita kolonovidnaya,
chervena afaska,
quetsch blanche de létricourt,
Adara

Japanese plum:
black amber,
black star,
burbank,
eldorado,
burgundi.

Hybride:
Cerny barchat ( type plumcot ), .

Also possible
Citrus fruit:
Hana yuzu,
Seville sour orange,
Sichuan pepper

Pear:
tsisovskaja,
kafedralnaja,
vasarine sviestine,

plum: opal,
delikatnaja
and the Nadia hybrid

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So I will give my point of view in 3 directions.

1) Every year I donate ( so I only charge the shipping costs ) scions only in my country.
This represents 80% of the time I spend on shipping. I don't make any money, but I allow the beginner to build up a base of varieties with very common varieties.
I only go to the small post office box (not the post office) to send them during my weekend walk (so I don't lose time) and I don't use the car.


2) For exchanges or sales, I usually do the same which allows me to accept small purchases. However, for requests from people outside of France, I now impose a minimum because I have to go to the post office. So take the car and use gasoline that I do not put in the price of scions.
Knowing that the sales represent 5% of the shipments. The other 15% is from exchanges.

3) After that for the purchases:
You have to look at 2 methods when there is a minimum:
Either I buy more varieties (to reach the minimum) but which interest friends for exchanges.
Or I ask if some people want to make the order with me to buy in large quantities.
Here are 2 ways that allow you not to be bothered by the minimum purchase obligation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: would you chargeback an order?
« on: February 23, 2022, 05:51:55 AM »
First research what you can get in your country if there is no phytosanitary certificate.

Because maybe the goods are held by customs, because the content is not allowed without a phytosanitary certificate.

Always be aware of the laws that govern this in your country and in other countries.
Also to avoid that some exaggerate by asking for documents when there is no need for it.

Small recent story:
I noticed when I was trying to find out how to order annona seeds from TopTropicals.com.
Some nurseries or sellers think that the US rules are the same as in Europe.
I have been asked for a phytosanitary permit for seeds and to be able to start the procedure for the phytosanitary passport.
But it's funny because in Europe it's mainly plants that need it. Scions and cuttings depend on the country of destination (if the species represents a sanitary danger) but it is case by case depending on the country. Seeds are considered low risk and therefore do not require a plant passport in Europe (but there may be exceptions depending on the country).
Information obtained by the DRAAF in France.

Oh yes for information fruitlovers, the plant passport is not enough. It is also necessary to be an approved nursery in your country, to send seeds to the USA.

Each country has its own laws, always check first.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sending a plant to USA
« on: February 23, 2022, 05:34:48 AM »
It's not at all forbidden. You just need to get a phytosanitary certificate from your country's agriculture department. Call them to see what the requirements for that are. Many private couriers don't like to deal with plants, some outright don't do it. It might be better if you can send it express EMS through regular postal service. You could also send it air freight, which would be a lot faster, but more costly.

Oh yes for information fruitlovers, the plant passport is not enough. It is also necessary to be an approved nursery in your country, to send seeds or scions to the USA.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Carolina lime questions
« on: February 08, 2022, 10:00:24 PM »
Native to Europe, but where in Europe?
I would like to know where he found it.

This little carolina lime makes me envious.
Especially considering the rusticity he claims to have.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cold hardy avocado seeds
« on: February 08, 2022, 05:47:51 PM »
There are many requests and it is difficult to find members who will have all the varieties. My own requests for the last 2 years have had little response.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Carolina lime questions
« on: February 08, 2022, 05:34:52 PM »
Yes, I too would like to see photos comparing the two plants.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Carolina lime questions
« on: February 07, 2022, 06:50:09 PM »
Hi all, I am looking for info on the carolina lime variety ?
This variety would be resistant according to Stan McKenzie (on a publication I read) at -8°F.
Have any of you grown this variety near a dragon lime to be able to tell what the differences are ?

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Do you have any idea about the hardiness of this species ?
Resistant or not to Phytophthora cinnamomi ?
Have you tried rootstock for the other avocados ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado dusa et albaida
« on: February 06, 2022, 12:41:11 PM »
The problem is that until recently you were forbidden to grow it outside the rules that the company holding the rights granted (because of the patent), which is rather normal.
Now, it remains to be seen if you can get some, since the patent seems to have expired.
But I don't know where you can buy scions.
Because as Spaugh says, it seems that nurseries still don't want to share him.

But Spaugh, can you confirm that it's okay to cut the grafted variety and let the rootstock grow to get scions?
Or do they still hold the right to forbid you to do that?

It's just a question to understand what possibilities they have to sue someone who would use their variety now that the patent has expired.
You probably know this better than I do.

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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Wanted: decaisnea insignis seeds
« on: February 06, 2022, 12:26:48 PM »
Hi

It's all in the title, if any member has any to sell

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: annona seeds
« on: February 06, 2022, 12:23:31 PM »
Hi

I am looking for seeds of the following species:
1) annona golden sugar ( pineapple sugar apple, honey sugar apple )
2) annona rugulosa
3) annona stenophyla
4) annona sylvatica ( auranticum de cabonho verde )
5) annona crassiflora
6) annona glabra
7) annona cacans

If any member is selling seeds or even fruits, please let me know in mp.

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I am looking for the following varieties:

Peruvian Blue ( bleu du Pérou )
krassawa
french fingerling
Swiss mountain black ( noir des montagnes Suisses )
biogold

If any member is selling potato, please let me know in mp.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado dusa et albaida
« on: February 04, 2022, 07:42:05 AM »
Yes spaugh, I suspected that, but it's always interesting to get other opinions.

Fortunately in my case I don't have just 1 plot so not one soil type. This allows me to choose the ideal location. Even if I admit that having rootstocks that would allow me to plant such a crop on any type of soil would not displease me.

The question is also because some people are interested in it on another forum, that's the main reason for my question.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado dusa et albaida
« on: February 03, 2022, 11:45:02 AM »
After searching the web, I have gathered various information about the avocado Dusa.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030051278P1/en
https://patents.google.com/patent/USPP15309P3/en
https://gregalder.com/yardposts/avocado-rootstocks-what-do-they-matter/
https://www.westfaliafruit.com/for-growers/our-rootstocks/

I am curious to know what members who use it as rootstock can tell me about it.

The nursery ( https://www.subtropicanurseries.com/ ) seems to use it, but I doubt if they can send it to Europe for non-professionals.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Avocado dusa et albaida
« on: February 02, 2022, 12:26:45 AM »
Some people have told me about the avocado dusa and albaida, which would be used as rootstock for heavy soils.

Do any of the members have experience of this, what do these rootstocks do in clay soil for example?
How long in clay soil can they withstand wet soil?
Do you know if any nurseries sell this kind of rootstock? 

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I am looking to buy seeds and scions (which I would graft onto avocado fuerte in the first instance) of avocado trees:

del rio
aravaipa
little cado ( to see the impact on growth and flowering when a variety is grafted on )
stewart ( scions ).

Thanks to those who can help me to get them

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what to do if U.S. Customs has it ???
« on: January 30, 2022, 09:27:23 PM »
This does not change the rules, whether it is plants, scions or seeds the laws are the same.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pears in southern CA
« on: January 29, 2022, 10:38:54 PM »
The Pears I have are pineapple, kieffer, and hood.  Had to check the labels to see what they were.  The hood pear is the better of the 2 but still not as good as the ones from the store.  Maybe it will get better.  I found some bare root trees of some of the better tasting store fruits.  Just waiting for them to arrive.  No need to send from europe.  Thank you though.  I bet pears grown in France are amazing.

Yes, French pears are good, but you also have very good fruit growing in California.

If I can work with a nurseryman friend to get the permits, I'll offer you some as a gift. Because Comice, Williams and Conference are three pears that I offer as gifts to beginners in grafting.
So I wouldn't mind sending you some.
And if you already have some, then we'll see.

But for the moment it's an incredible wait to get the authorisations, the administration here is slow.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cold hardy avocado seeds
« on: January 28, 2022, 11:05:20 PM »
i have mexicola grande and bacon seeds I can send to europe.  i already sent seeds to several people in europe without issues.

Really, Spaugh.
I must have missed the message or you mentioned it, otherwise I would have bought some from you already.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what to do if U.S. Customs has it ???
« on: January 28, 2022, 10:47:13 PM »
I may offend some people, but there is an inconsistency of purpose. First, there is the health objective, which is important and should be respected by everyone. Indeed, each shipment should follow a protocol to certify the sanitary quality of the plants. Then there is another objective which is a bit more debatable. It is the obligation to be an approved nursery to be able to send to the United States with the sanitary passport. I, for example, belong to an association that regularly checks the sanitary quality of trees. And yet I cannot make an exchange with the United States for the only reason that I am not an approved nursery. So on this point, it's true that the United States doesn't make things easy. And then we are surprised that there is fraud, or that envelopes end up in the bin.

I'm pretty sure that in the case of the buddy roo envelope, the container wasn't even inspected to check if there was indeed a health risk or not. 

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Interesting though, because even with a microclimate, wouldn't it still have gone below 32°F or 0°C? We really need a picture to see if the surrounding structures protect it from negative temperatures. Because in a cold greenhouse I only gain 1 or 2°C compared to the outside temperature. You just have to take a thermometer and check the temperature when it will be 20°F or -6°C again.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pears in southern CA
« on: January 28, 2022, 08:39:11 PM »
Hi Brad,

I do have the Comice pear and the Bartlett pear, and anjou is not difficult to get as a friend has it.
But unfortunately I am in Europe, maybe a nurseryman friend can send them to you. I'll have to discuss it with him, but it's not certain.

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