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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Freeze Drying Fruit Thread
« on: Today at 06:14:23 PM »
Hey not much goes on about freeze drying fruits. What have you freeze dried?
My friend has a freeze dryer so I'll give him some of my starfruits and other stuff when they are ready.
What fruit freeze dries well.
If you want to send me fruit to freeze dry, I'm all down for that!

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D-Grower is the man!
Definitely check his plants out!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: trees that suffer injury below 45F / 7C?
« on: September 21, 2023, 05:46:04 PM »
RE autocarpus, anyone have experience knowing how more established kwai muk (Artocarpus hypargyraeus) do in the 40s? Mine had some leaf damage and I had to pull them inside last year in the low-40s but they were very small, I'm trying to decide if I should try planting some out near the brick wall this year, or letting them stay in pots another year to get some mass.

I'm actively working on trying to get colder-hardy mamoncillo; I had two mamoncillo out of fifteen or so last year that survived with only a little leaf damage all mesa winter with brief drops into the low 40s, but they were all on a stone patio and got the radiant heat from underneath. Y'all northern folk need to bring back fruit walls: https://99percentinvisible.org/article/fruit-walls-before-greenhouses-walled-gardens-created-urban-micro-climates/
Kwai muk is one of the artocarpus that can take lower temps and even freezes and still come back.
The ones from China are pretty hardy like nanchuansis (like a kwai muk)and gonshanensis.


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: kasturi seedlings
« on: September 21, 2023, 05:44:17 PM »
I'll take 2 please.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant ID help please
« on: September 21, 2023, 11:29:24 AM »
Also think it's a chupachupa.
Should grow pretty well where you are. Yours just needs some micronutrients and it should be good.
I tried desperately to graft an improved variety to mine before killing it after 2 failed grafts :'(. The person who sent me scions is a legend.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: trees that suffer injury below 45F / 7C?
« on: September 19, 2023, 11:19:18 PM »
Thank you.  The only artocarpus I have outside are jackfruit which I know can handle some cold.  My greenhouse heater is set to 55F which should be good enough for anything, I hope.  Marang is doing great in there and has already survived one winter. 

Everything goes in the greenhouse soon enough, I am just trying to do it slowly over the next month.
Ok, yeah 50+ is good for basically everything. Could do ultra tropicals although longer times of cold may stunt growth. But glad to see yours doing well.

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Jealous of the forbesii lol. Tried to import them and they were all kaput presumably as the seeds are tiny for garcinias.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: trees that suffer injury below 45F / 7C?
« on: September 19, 2023, 10:49:32 PM »
Breadfruit and most artocarpus, many Asian garcinias excluding dulcis and a few others.
Cacao and their relatives don't like it either.
Now injury we talking is like a set back or something, short times in that temp range wouldn't kill them. Extended temps do.
Pouterias are fine as well as syzygiums.
How low does your greenhouse get? I was surprised you had marang and others doing pretty well.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Mangosteen and M. Kakui Seeds for Sale
« on: September 18, 2023, 06:50:51 PM »
Got some mangosteen and Manilkara kakui Seeds for sale.
$6 each mangosteen
$4 each m. kakui.

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Another expensive one would be the saguaro.
Only grows in parts of Arizona and CA.
Can be processed into jams and I hear it's really good but expensive. Was fortunate to taste a fruit of it while I was there, and it is amazing.
One of the rarest fruits in terms of eating it...I bet not even 1% of people here have tried it fresh of the plant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: High Stake Grafts
« on: September 16, 2023, 10:11:59 PM »
sure you can .
variegated escalate not that rare? 2023 , what a time to be alive.
I tried to graft a super rare plinia I can't say the name of for now, but then it didn't make it :P...

I did successfully graft variegated scarlet, but I mean, it's not that rare. I think it's a clutch graft cause I had to give away the plant for graftatree so before I sent it off I took a scion...I regret that but at least I have it :-\
New variety name...can't let them know yet :P
The plant matrix won't let me.
I hope to post it soon though when I'm not too busy with school and work.
Hint - the name is after another tree with long leaves.

The variegated scarlet is still rare, but at least a few collectors made it more common after a few large trees made it in. LOL
I think the variegated coronata is more rare...and btw if anyone is looking for a plant, I do have one spare.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: High Stake Grafts
« on: September 14, 2023, 03:38:46 PM »
I tried to graft a super rare plinia I can't say the name of for now, but then it didn't make it :P...

I did successfully graft variegated scarlet, but I mean, it's not that rare. I think it's a clutch graft cause I had to give away the plant for graftatree so before I sent it off I took a scion...I regret that but at least I have it :-\

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: September 13, 2023, 11:04:36 PM »
Nice to see the thread updated.
Kevin, so sorry to hear about you losses.
Janet, those are looking nice.
Galatians522, where did you find out they were deciduous? Mine didn't lose their leaves during the winter. I know some people have some fruiting ones on pennyslvanica, but again, grafting them and getting them to actually grow seems to be the tough part.

TBH I've kinda neglected mine, but then I snapped out of it when I almost lost one due to not watering.
I'm going to plant one in the greenhouse tomorrow if I can make a choice.
I still don't know the secret to grafting them. After asking many growers abroad and local, it just doesn't make sense.
Maybe rootstock is a factor...rubra to rubra being the best compared to others...genetically makes sense.
If anyone is interested in more trees or scions, I'm always ready.


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine Muscat
« on: September 13, 2023, 05:24:56 PM »
I haven't tried Shine. I am going to be planting a new area in my greenhouse to grapes this winter. So, I'd trade Summer Muscat and Diamond Muscat cuttings for Shine if you are interested. Grapes do extremely well in my greenhouse.

Summer and Diamond are sister lines both strong muscat flavor.
For sure. I'd love to hear your take on the shine vs others when grown in our cultural conditions.
This spring I should have cuttings or even plants.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine Muscat
« on: September 13, 2023, 10:05:02 AM »
So the brix is now 16 when it's supposed to be 18. That's not much difference. And neither is going to make them stand out. Or make a huge difference in the eating experience.

What I find hard to believe is that the Muscat flavor is somehow now lacking. How do you "farm" that out of a grape?

Is the Muscat flavor now gone? Why are they worse than before?
Muscat flavor is not gone, but it's lacking. The farming practices have become lax now. Because there is a large demand, many farms started, but with the idea of mass production, the standards went down. There are many cultural practices for the grapes that are not done here in the US resulting in better quality grapes. Do that with any variety, and you'll get similar results. The idea of luxury fruit here in the US is not openly appreciated. Would you pay usd $300 for a 4 clusters of grapes? I wouldn't, but people do that.

In some of those Asian cultures they pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for all sorts of fruits even melons. Nothing convinces me that they're anywhere near worth the money. It's all about appearance, not eating quality.

What you're saying is that it's not the variety rather the culture that's makes great fruit. If that's the case, why is a Shine plant worth $100?

Culture does make a lot of difference. So does variety. I'm betting Summer Muscat fruit tastes a lot better than Shine Muscat. Summer Muscat will easily hit 25 brix. But so will most grapes. 18 brix is pathetic for a grape. Those expensive Shine are mostly about appearance and not eating quality. That's the Asian fruit standard: appearance and presentation is number one.
I'd love to try some of the summer muscats. I've tried the summer royal and a few others while visiting a friend's farm out in Cali. Unfortunately, they were a let down (great flavor, but not really firm, and nothing really special)...I would rather eat the green table grapes they have at the store compared to them.
I also saw everest, which I think is something really promising. Unfortunately I didn't get to try it, but hey a seedless concord type grape. I'll take that. Would be interesting to compare these all together once they start to fruit. Have you tried shine muscat?
I totally agree that cultural practices really bring out the best in the grapes.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine Muscat
« on: September 12, 2023, 06:22:30 PM »
So the brix is now 16 when it's supposed to be 18. That's not much difference. And neither is going to make them stand out. Or make a huge difference in the eating experience.

What I find hard to believe is that the Muscat flavor is somehow now lacking. How do you "farm" that out of a grape?

Is the Muscat flavor now gone? Why are they worse than before?
Muscat flavor is not gone, but it's lacking. The farming practices have become lax now. Because there is a large demand, many farms started, but with the idea of mass production, the standards went down. There are many cultural practices for the grapes that are not done here in the US resulting in better quality grapes. Do that with any variety, and you'll get similar results. The idea of luxury fruit here in the US is not openly appreciated. Would you pay usd $300 for a 4 clusters of grapes? I wouldn't, but people do that.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine Muscat
« on: September 12, 2023, 12:13:07 PM »
Fruitnut,
I've had them way before they were hyped up straight from the source in Korea.
Hands down the best grape. Now, though, quality sucks. And imports are lower tier also.
they do got a nice muscat flavor, if not, they would just be any other green grape in existence.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine Muscat
« on: September 11, 2023, 08:57:12 PM »
Shine muscat season is here
Can buy at Hmart across the nationÖthese were at the atl store.


Only $33🤭.
I didnít buy as the grape quality has been downhill ever since 2019.
And itís not just happening for the imported ones eitherÖ
This article just about sums it up
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2023/01/19/culture/foodTravel/Korea-Grapes-Shine-muscat/20230119151837233.html

Also stay peeled for the red kiwi! My favorite kiwi by farÖeven surpassing the yellow ones. Iím looking to find a source for them.

Iím out of available plants for now. Hope maybe some this spring or earlier if possible.

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You can do bottomless rootmakers like Mark and I.
Works really well as it's no dig either. Now maybe the maple roots will grow up though like mentioned. Could you take out the maple trees?
I have some decent sized trees about 20' from the greenhouse and I plant to cut them out this winter cause of shade issues.

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So, I ended up buying this one last summer on a whim. I never have tasted this one before, and just got it off recommendations. But, after researching it, I don't think it'll suit my taste?
Isn't this one a bit spicy (not a fan of spice lol)? It's an early season mango...But early season is not beneficial for me anyways as I'm in TN.
So, If anyone wants to trade for another mango, or some other stuff, or buy this I'm totally down for it.
Rootstock is turpentine like all South FL tree origins.
If I did sell it, I'd semi-bare root the tree and send it to you like that. Price I would ask is $55 shipped anywhere in the US.
Thank you!
For mangos I'm looking for
lemon zest
bombay
anderson
coconut cream
etc (any classic flavor, indochinese, or citrus I don't have).

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Good news for the psidium growers - I hope to share some of these next spring. This is psidium guineese var caatinga. I got them from Giant Gecko who got them from a grower in Brazil.
I remember when I sprouted the longipetiolatum, they got super huge really quick.

pink guava and the little runt eugeniafolia (myrtoides). I'll report back on taste.

The fruit is a little small, probably could get bigger, but I haven't been watering because I'm busy.
Ok, I'm not really impressed with the eugeniafolia. Kinda troll. Very sour and has so many seeds but they are huge seeds.

That was my reaction with the cas guava also (I forgot I even got to try that one) - But at least with cas, it is bigger so there you have it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Source for chrysophyllum imperiale?
« on: September 07, 2023, 08:12:15 PM »
I also got some from Kameron, but I think they froze or something in transit lol.
Itís a beautiful plant.
He would be the go to source for these in the US.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha imposter?
« on: September 06, 2023, 08:57:54 AM »
The first picture with both plants, there is one achacha, the second picture looks like an avocado.
also btw, Achacha is not g. humilis. The real Garcinia humilis is super duper rare and is native to one of the islands in the Carribean I believe. For Achacha its just called Garcinia sp. achachariu for now.
Of course though, garcinias are notoriously mislabeled throughout the nursery trade, and even collectors have trouble with the right names.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Annona Montana Rootstocks
« on: September 05, 2023, 09:30:51 PM »
Anyone got some nice decent sized annona montana for a good deal?
would love to get between 4-10
Thanks!

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