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congrats, so far mine taste a lot like grapefruit, im surprised this wasn’t documented or photographed in Brazil before I fruited mine and discovered the cross at my farm by chance.

further surprising nobody had this cross in USA either

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u got one, nice!

from a seed order here? or your stock?

a lot of mine setting now for first time, and i have like 100 seedlings, they are super variable looking.

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Lara trees some of the best out there.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango white scale infestation
« on: May 03, 2025, 12:13:32 PM »
i got variegated mango it has the little white scales on it, i'm almost about to spraypaint the trunk.

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this video I made concerning Plinia and Myrciaria should be applicable

https://youtu.be/9iyOjbODMTQ?si=PFNcXYte33BIfQvd

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what i believe to be a polyploid hybrid Plinia, it sometimes grows 3 leaves instead of 2, the leaf arrangement is opposite and whorled, not just opposite as a normal Plinia.

the fruit very hard and need much time to ripen, i haven’t tested them for full ripeness because I don’t want animals stealing them.  The fruit have all been quite small and basically seedless with aborted seeds, the flavor is excellent, but so far not much pulp to consume, and the skin is thick bitter like grimal

the tree is quite stunning, hopefully the fruit quality improves with age, this is the first fruiting.


heres some pics












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i think this has something to do with what I'm trying to discuss in this thread, and why the shape, or lack thereof, is important.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapiche_emerald

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Adam, Haven’t you fruited Coronata restinga?

fruit got stolen first crop, just a dozen, this year chances good

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Grouping Plinia (jabuticaba) Fruit into Astringent & Non-Astringent Varieties,

a worthwhile cause, I don't believe this has been done officially in any manuscript.

This would be helpful for farmers, growers, fruit sellers, wine makers, and other who use the fruit.

There is a preliminary list I have, of astringent and non astringent varieties (it needs work, maybe a few categorized improperly).

Astringent:

Sabara
Grimal
cambuca
Paulista? (ate some early borderline edible, but I say astringent, very chalky)

Non-Astringent:
Red
Anomaly
Escarlate
Phitrantha/Aureana
trunciflora

have not been able to taste coronata, I assume astringent...

same for most of the other purple fuzzy ones, like spiritosantensis, and Peluda do mucuri...I have never tasted them though...and the watermelon jabo too...

this short list needs work and doesn't consider Myrciaria species at all...and it should not.

Anything I've left out please add it in, I'm sure I forgot something that is easy to categorize.

Some are tricky because they are palatable early, yet still astringent...but the true non astringent types, like, red, anomaly, escarlate, can be eaten with no trouble, almost completely green...they are still somewhat juicy, and even rats will take them, seed and all.




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lol you guys can't just like, ask ai, or whatever? :P

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How about melons?



This is a pretty interesting article: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparisons-between-cross-sectional-tissue-patterns-in-mature-cucurbit-family-fruits-and_fig8_221824700

i see the same thing with citrus and pomegranate, the segments inside arranged in such a way.

I suppose I may have to word my initial question differently,

I'm looking for the star shape, that is hexagonal.  Hexagram it would be.

This i have never seen when cutting through the core of fruits that have multiple sides...like pitanga, caramobla, pitangatuba, etc..

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Pomegranate, Moringa drumsticks, Okra... not the norm but we've seen it. Im sure like Carambola some are genetically predisposed and with selective breeding likely a consistent "6 sided" fruit can be produced.


i think i saw a carambola in a pic with 6 sides, but it was deformed, I never saw a healthy normally formed fruit of any type with the hexagonal shape when cut, or should i say hexagram really.  Like a star, not just the hexagon.

the pomegranate really has a shape like citrus with the segments divided, not the star shape arrangement I was thinking of exactly.

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https://www.rarepalmseeds.com/image/cache/data/b/baccaurea-angulata-3_0_1_800x1600_38f67.jpg

looking again, it doesn’t have the hexagon arrangement shape!  the three lobes in the middle make it off!

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seems like the exception to the rule has been found, maybe more?  makes u wanna grow that one, they mention it has a peculiar shape unlike any other in the genus if im not mistaken

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Baccaurea angulata.  The entire fruit has six sides, but not the actual flesh.



seems like the closest thing Ive seen, kind of like a yes but no, great find, maybe there’s more out there or something that fits the arrangement Im thinking about…

this one i would say is debatable but has six sided arrangement!! rare

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My Anomaly from Adam getting ready to flower



Flowering Myrciaria guaquiea from Adam





Helping to document that without you, I wouldn’t have these rare plants.  Many more in my collection.😁

Janet

Jcorte, i wanna buy that anom from u, wow!

thanks for sharing...

I was thinking, and actually researching my own name and its meaning...

the results a bit shocking.

Adam Dana Shafran

I had known the meaning of my first and last name (first one is obvious, the last name not so much, but it comes from my ancestors who were spice traders, and saffron was the spice of choice, the most expensive in the world by weight, and the most adulterated it seems nowadays)

I never researched the meaning of my middle name, maybe because it always kind of bothered me, because it gave my friends fair game to tease me about the popular female version of the name.  I came to find out recently that it has something yet again to deal with the trade of rare items, pearls in this case, ones that are of perfect size, and grade (if I'm not mistaken).  The other meaning i found for the name Dana was arbiter.

I think my mom got lucky with the name selection, or maybe I did....but it suits me well.   ;)

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The prevalence of the Fibonacci sequence in nature might have something to do with it not really occuring

exactly, but this has further implications when studied on a molecular level.  As to the mechanism and flow of energy as the fruit is conceived.

basically the same reason we don’t see cats, dogs and pigs, or any other animal born with six legs that is mammalian

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those don't satisfy the requirements I'm thinking about...

not even star anise, or sterculia...none show 6 sides.

Manilkara hexandra comes to mind,

The flowers start out hexagonal but the fruit is definitely more rounded when ripe-

hard to find a picture of a cross section




Not exactly hexagon on the sliced fruit, but what do you think?

Janet

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You could grow watermelon in a form

the point i'm trying to make is that it doesn't occur naturally (I believe), and there's a deeper reason, involving the genesis of the fruit at conception.  On a cellular level or even lower size particles.

I'm just curious if this is true (no natural hexagon fruit), or if this is just my observation.

And if it's true, what are the implications?

Has any other botanist, pomologist, or plant scientist pondered this question in an abstract? Or written about it?

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Yup, didn't find any with 6 side cross section. So, you found one.

no i haven't found one that's why i'm asking the group.


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How about a 6-sided (??) dragon fruit.



thanks for posting.

I don't think that would qualify, the arrangement or structure of the fruit is not hexagonal.  The clip art pic may not even be accurate as to how they'd appear when cut, but given the multiple appendages (leaflet type structures) on the outside of the fruit, it wouldn't be fair to only take the cross section of a part that meets the standards, while the rest of the fruit doesn't.

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Simple, yet unusual question.  Hopefully not hard to grasp the concept.

Think of cutting a starfruit, or suriname cherry, or even a babaco fruit....

Does there exist a fruit that has a hexagonal shape, or arrangement?

Or are there only arrangements of other shapes, such as Pentagonal, Heptagonal and Octagonal?

Yet another simpler way of putting it.  Can you find a fruit, when cut that makes the shape of the hexagram? 

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thanks everyone for all the kind words!

One more note I'd like to make about the origins of the "Anomaly" variety.

It is by no means a seedling of the "Red" Jabuticaba.

It originates from an unidentified tree that was grown at Gene Joyners place in West Palm Beach, Unbelievable Acres.

The mother tree did not show the same precocious habit, or intense flowering habit as the seedling "Anomaly".

Even of the 3 seedlings I planted from Gene's tree to originally obtain the Anomaly, there was only 1 of three that fruited so early, the others were not precocious at all.

The seedling is a chance mutation, from an unidentified tree which was over 20yrs old I assume, growing at Unbelievable Acres, this was back in 2012. 

Since then I have heard the tree may be gone, but I'm not sure what happened to his collection after his recent passing...I'm sad I never got a chance to visit...I tried, but I remember you had to schedule an appointment and it was a cumbersome process...Now in my later years, I appreciate the way he ran his business with this process, to weed out the annoying visitors I assume, very smart.

Any how, it's troubling to see the AI models providing false information about my business and my accomplishments.  With possible court proceedings coming up in the next year to asses the valuation of my business, I feel like it's important for me to clearly document and explain all that I've contributed.

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