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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Goldfinger banana question
« on: September 24, 2023, 06:12:02 PM »
Thanks for the info & pictures Greg!  Good luck to you.  Hope you get some good fruit before reclaiming the space

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Goldfinger banana question
« on: September 23, 2023, 02:10:01 PM »
End of October has been true in the past, but this yr has been so cool & cloudy, maybe earlier.  I’d put a black garbage bag over the rack that’s in the 4th picture.  (Increase the heat & humidity).  Leave enough holes to keep it from becoming a fungal sauna.  When it’s obvious we won’t get more warm days, cut the rack off & finish ripening in your garage.  If it’s mature enough, it’ll ripen (like what grocery stores sell).

I have a question for you.  I have an immature Goldfinger.  How high is the crook (or upside down “U”) off the ground?  And do yours need to be propped?  I’ve had other kinds of bananas that needed no propping for years; then when a really bountiful year came, & the rack was unusually heavy it had to be propped.  (One that wasn’t propped actually broke.). So I want to make an adjustable prop ahead of time that’ll accomodate the Goldfinger’s height if needed.

California gets hotter than Florida. I have never seen 110 here in my lifetime. The difference is that Florida never gets cool.

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Also of interest in the study is that warm temps are more harmful at the beginning of fruit development. Fruits that got cool temps at the beginning of development and then got hit with high temps at the second half still got roughly 75% - 80% of full fruit size. Those that had high temps followed by cool were 65%-70% of full fruit size. The fruits grown at 86 the entire time were only about 50% of full size. Does that make sense with what you guys see in California?

Great info.  Thank you for posting it!  So it looks like your cherimoyas aren’t getting enough … [don’t know a name for it; maybe call it “mild hours” — similar to “chill hours”, but temps in the 50s instead of below 40.]. 

We’ll all see what the future brings, but 30 years ago the L.A. area did not get the heat we get now.  We haven’t lost our “mild hours” yet, but it’s something I’ll be aware of now.  Fortunately I also have some plants that relish the heat.  If the cherimoyas complain, the bananas will be throwing a party.

According to your acount here, sounds like you did all the right things.  I'd keep all the documentation you have just in case you need to pull it out for whatever reason.  But I doubt that you'll be "blacklisted" by other sellers.  Just my 2 cents.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit party?
« on: July 20, 2022, 10:54:22 PM »
Won't be there this year.  Thanks for doing this Brad.  Hope you all have fun!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fujikawa avocado
« on: April 10, 2022, 11:53:20 PM »
Brad, about the skinny top variety on a fat rootstock:  I've seen this once in person.  It wasn't avocado; don't remember what fruit, much less the varieties of rootstock & scion.  But the thing ended up dying.

I've also seen the opposite: swelling scion on top of normal-size rootstock.  That one I have in a pot myself: Persian black mulberry on top of Pakistan black.  That combination consistently behaves this way.  I've seen it in a friend's full-grown mulberry tree also, with the same arrangement: Persian on top swelling, Pakistan on bottom normal.  I'd guess that there's some kind of "incompatibility" (for lack of a better word) when grafting certain combinations -- even though both parts of the graft are the same kind of fruit (apple on apple).  In some cases it looks like the sap flows up better than it flows down; in other cases, vice-versa.  I've never heard any biological specifics of why or how.  I'm not sure anyone has studied it enough to know.  If they have, I'd like to know.

Chose the 3  that your review identify as the top 3 for you.  But then buy scions for 6 more and graft 2 each to each of your trees so that each tree has 3 varieties.  After you have tried fruit for a few years, you may prune back to 5 or 6 that you like the best .  Or you could be like some of us and add 9 more varieties making for some very confused trees.

An excellent suggestion!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-graft persimmon tree.
« on: March 04, 2022, 05:32:06 PM »
I don't care for the astringent (soft ripe) fruits so I only have multi-grafted non-astringent persimmons on my trees. I haven't found any variety that is not compatible yet. Here's what I have grafted on Giant Fuyu , Matsumoto, and Hayakume trees.

1   Chocolate
2   Coffee Cake
3   Fuyu
4   Great Wall
5   Hayakume
6   Izu
7   Jiro
8   Kurokuma
9   Maru
10   Matsumoto
11   Saijo
12   Suruga

Just so you know, if your #8 (Kurokuma) is the scion that you got from me, there are a couple of issues here.

1.  It isn't a Kurokuma.  It's a seedling of Kurokuma.  I started it from a seed that I got from a Kurokuma fruit that I ate at a persimmon tasting at UCANR.  I know that the fruit I ate was a Kurokuma persimmon, but no one knows what the pollinator was.  I'm sure I made this clear before I sent it to you, but it might have skipped your mind; we had a nice exchange, and probably covered enough details that it would be easy to forget this little bit of info.  So the fruit you get from that scion might be like Kurokuma, but it might be totally different, since the gene pool got scrambled around in the midst of all that hot sex persimmons have.   ;)

2.  Also, if this seedling takes after its Kurokuma parent, it will be an astringent fruit.  I understand people liking the ease of eating non-astringent fruit.  You don't have to worry about whether the thing has been pollinated, or treated in some way to eliminate (hopefully!) the astringency.  But for the record, I'll say that I haven't ever tasted a non-astringent persimmon that has quite the complexity of rich flavors that Kurokumas I've tasted have had.  (And I tasted a wide variety of persimmons at the UCANR tastings in two different years.)

3.  I'm still waiting to get fruit from the Kurokuma seedling.  None yet.  I hope it will produce for the first time this year.  But one thing is clear already: I have a multigraft persimmon tree, and this is the 2nd year in a row that the Kurokuma seedling branch is the first branch to break bud.  In fact, I went out to see it today, and its buds are opening now.  Matsumoto Wase (the scion I got from you) and Tsurunoko ("Chocolate" from Dave Wilson Nursery) are still dormant.

I hope that helps.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asian Persimmon - this season crops
« on: January 13, 2022, 10:00:02 PM »
Great pictures!  Thanks for identifying the different varietes clearly.  Haven't gotten any fruit from my persimmon tree yet, so I'm very much looking forward to it (and jealous in the meantime)!

Just so everyone knows, the video is from Gary at Laguna Hills Nursery in Orange County, California.  It's about an hour and a half in length.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My coastal southern California garden
« on: December 15, 2021, 10:51:22 PM »
Janet, do you have to spray your stone fruit?  That's one thing that has discouraged me about growing them.  I loved the plums we got from the old Santa Rosa tree that came with the house, but then I did a bad job of pruning it and it died.  When I replaced it, the young tree had difficulty with peach leaf curl.  The disease is treatable, but calls for spraying every year -- a couple of times per year, if I remember right.  I'm just not willing to go through all that trouble.

I'm fine with fertilizing, mulching, trimming, watering ... but mixing chemicals and spraying, then cleaning up the sprayer afterwards is too loathsome a job.  Because of that, I'd rather buy stone fruit at the farmers' market than grow it myself.  Having said that, I do miss the flowers.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How do you get bananas to fruit?
« on: December 14, 2021, 11:13:08 PM »
This photo shows why the base of the tree swells as the flower emerges. Hard to understand but every leaf and eventually the flower forms down deep in the base and squeezes through to emergence.

Great photo!  Thanks for posting it!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Search Function not working
« on: December 14, 2021, 11:01:21 PM »
No matter which thread I search, what I search for, or even if I'm not in a thread yet, this is the message I get.  Is CleanTalk preventing the search function from working correctly?

You're using this forum search function (link below)?

Still works fine for me.

Figured it out.  I started using a VPN and TFF doesn't like to do searches while I'm on it.  Reading threads, posting a reply, etc. works fine -- but not search.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Search Function not working
« on: December 09, 2021, 11:24:09 AM »
No matter which thread I search, what I search for, or even if I'm not in a thread yet, this is the message I get.  Is CleanTalk preventing the search function from working correctly?

I found the answer to this question and some others just a few minutes later by reading this thread:

Thanks for looking into this and for the explanation, JakeFruit!

I'm bumping this up.  It seems like a good question that never got answered NINE years ago.  Has anyone else had to deal with this?  How do you keep it from happening?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya tasting /get together
« on: December 04, 2021, 11:57:42 PM »
Right one is Lolo. The harvest time in PR is February to March ( more oil)but I cant miss the oportunity.

Thank you for sending them!  It was a treat to have some all the way from Puerto Rico.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya tasting /get together
« on: December 04, 2021, 11:51:55 PM »
Started out with some small, brown medlar (top left).  They were mild tasting, similar to apple butter with a hint of cinnamon.  Then Parfianka pomegranate, which were delicious and gorgeous.  The arils really were as deep purple-black as they are here in the photo:

The assortment of fruit was appetizing.  I too liked the El Bumpo and Honeyhart cherimoyas the best.  But Fortuna tasted good too, and had a very distinctive flavor.

Some of us found ourselves with so much sugary juice dripping down our hands that we had to rinse them off ... more than once!
It was a treat meeting fellow fruit freaks and associating real-world names and faces with TropicalFruitForum handles.

Simon's mix of sugar cane juice and calamansi juice was incredible!  (And very popular.)  Thanks to Brad's example, I tasted a very special cocktail: Simon's cane juice, Panama Red Passionfruit (picture below), a squeeze of lime, and a splash of rum.  Great stuff -- with a kick to it!

A few of us lucked out with the pineapple, and got to not only sample the fruit, but take a pup home to grow our own!

What's the pineapple variety, Brad?  You said it was related to Cayenne.

Got my first PM in a long time today, but got no email about it.  I saw in the Help that if we're running version 2.0 in "Change Settings" there's an option to "Notify by email every time you receive a personal message".  I found it and changed that option from "Always" to "Never" and then back again.  Hopefully that will trick the setting into working correctly.  We'll see.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya tasting /get together
« on: December 01, 2021, 10:14:47 PM »
And if you know what's good for you, don't bring any peach-eating coyotes, either!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya tasting /get together
« on: November 29, 2021, 07:12:23 PM »
I'll be there.  Looking forward to it!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 27, 2021, 09:28:09 PM »
I've got a grafted experimental tree Im trialing here that may be a winner.  The fruits are super good and no one else has them.  Its a seedling tree from a friend.  Ill have to get permission to propogate or sell it but it seems like it may be a real winner.  It will be several years before I can really pass judgement on it though.

I'm growing pretty much every kind of avocado I can get my hands on here.  I've found most of them to be not worth growing for various reasons.  Same with dragonfruit.  Tried them all, most are not worth growing.

Cool!  Hope your experimental growing works out well for you and we all get to have a new GREAT avocado!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Deadly apple tree in Florida
« on: November 22, 2021, 11:04:40 PM »
Thanks for adding helpful details pineislander.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya tasting /get together
« on: November 17, 2021, 01:07:14 PM »
Great!  Got it on the calendar.

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