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Awesome Joe, congrats on such great success rate with these!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
« on: June 17, 2019, 04:08:20 PM »
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

No Mai Tsze is a slow grower, even in China. The mature trees are only 1/3 to 2/3 the size of other varieties. My NMT air layer is growing agonizingly slow. Behl, you might be onto something grafting it onto Longan if you are getting vigorous growth. Please post a picture of the fruit once it matures. The fruit has a distinct look to it. It’s kind of pebbly skinned.

Simon

will do Simon. grafts on Halkip lychee rootstock are slower in growth, while on longan are matching pace with sweet heart. it will b interesting to see how they perform going forward. Source of these wood was hawaii USDA so chances of it being real are quite high.

Behl, which accession id for the No Mai Tsze did you get from Hawaii? Looks like they have several (HLIT # 19, 20, 23, 59 and 85)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
« on: June 17, 2019, 01:45:25 PM »
So Cal Update:

my graft of No Mai Tze is growing very well, it appears to be aggressive grower, and it holds fruits very well. Although my grafts are young, I am very happy to report that this variety may be better suited for So Cal. I have it on both longan and hakip rootstocks.

Awesome Behl, thanks for the update!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: June 06, 2019, 01:20:49 PM »
Just ate my first mango for 2019.

I got a box from Alex (Tropical Acres, I buy several boxes from him every year and am always so happy I get to try such awesome high-quality mangos) with a nice variety of mangos.

The first one that was ripe was Phillipine

Honestly, I wasn't expecting much. Very small and the color and shape look like Atalufo, which are tasteless, only sweet (pretty insipid). But I was wonderfully surprised! It did have an Indochinese flavor profile. Nothing as intense as Sweet Tart (which is one of my favorites), but a very pleasant tangy citrus to go with the mango sweetness.


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Agreed with everything lavender said

  Sugar cane is very shy in fruit yield unless you have other variety to cross pollinate. I suggest you to honey jar instead, for the fruit size is similar and a bit juicier. To me honey jar is a bit superior then sugar cane.

(nods head in complete agreement)

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That is awesome, congrats!

Thanks Mark! Can you spare me some Tainung #2 seeds when you have them? I can't find Tainung anywhere.

Anyway, I bought a Broadleaf Papaya from Wellsprings... didn't know it doesn't like the afternoon sun unlike the Brazilian and Mexican papayas. I will protect it against afternoon sun. I was wondering if the Broadleaf papaya is the same as Tainung...

Actually my Tainungs don't produce seeds. They are female only (not hermaphrodites) and I don't have any male papayas in the yard, so no seeds. However I might have a few seeds leftover from AlohaSeed. I will check my seed drawer.

I don't think broadleaf is the same as Tainung #2. I had two broadleaf plants that didn't really like our summer and died in the winter. Tainung #2 on the other hand has a different leaf shape and takes *FULL* AZ summer sun (120+ F ).

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That is awesome, congrats!

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Joe,

No problem. I will be happy to share some cuttings with you. It will probably be next year. I want to let them get established this year.

Here they are right now (about 1 ft tall).



Here is the trunk. Has a very cool striated bark (very un-papaya-like) with this funny bulbous bottom



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I have heard that Carica lanceolata is a little more cold hardy. The germination rate is very low (5-10% based on my experience) but I did not try the KNO3 trick. I have two seedlings that are about a foot tall now but I am sure the growth will pick up with the summer heat kicking in.

Some papayas make it though our 9b winters fine (I have 2x 15+ ft tall Tainung #2 and a 6 ft tall Solo) that have been thriving in my yard for a few years. I have fruited Tainung #2 (lots of fruits from both plants). Solo has not fruited yet. I was able to keep TR Hovey alive for almost two years, but it succumbed this last winter which was the worst one in many years for us. However, the fruit is pretty crappy so I am not bothering to replace it. Red Lady, Dwarf Vietnamese and Red Maradol have all been losers for me. Not been able to get them through a full year.

So I gave the C. lanceolata a shot. Fruit is supposed to be variegated, which would be a cool bonus :)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: A few days in hell.
« on: May 27, 2019, 06:25:49 PM »
Same as JJROSS,

I used to live in middle TN. Where we would get 95+ F at >90% humidity. My friend from New York described it as "trying to breathe though cheesecake"

Even though in AZ we get 120 F days, I much prefer our climate here in AZ in the middle of summer than back east.

Sorry man, I know the feeling

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I have a small Ugly Betty Tree (like 3 ft tall) that I have had for over a year now. It flowered like crazy this spring and set half a dozen fruits. I let them get to grape size and then culled them (tree is too small to hold fruits anyway). But in our desert climate Ugly Betty seems to be a very happy camper.

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**** Sorry, meant to send as a PM

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Got Macadamia Nuts?
« on: April 24, 2019, 08:14:17 PM »
Whoa, that is a beaut!! Is that Patrick's tree?

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I tried and was said no to Shasta, Yosemite, and Tahoe gold varieties. only bet is to buy trees

Cool, thanks behl. Yep, I agree.

Problem is that none of the AZ nurseries (that I could find at least. Sunset is the one that supplies most of the citrus around here) propagates them and any place online that has them won't ship to AZ.

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Where did you find the budwood for your Shasta Gold?

I have been reading about it and based on descriptions you have posted on TFF and others comments on other forums it sounds like one that I want to try.

UCR has it in their collection: https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/tde2.html

However, the don't offer it on the CCPP budwood order page. If I search the page for 'Shasta' or 'tde2' or '490' (the UCR VI for Shasta Gold is 490) it is not listed as something I can order budwood from.

I have seen a few nurseries online that sell the trees, but they don't ship to AZ.

CCPP just updated their website.  I think this is the old form: https://ccpp.ucr.edu/budwood/forms/2013-Forms/ScreenhouseFaxOrderForm.pdf

If you look at the (*) it appears you need a license agreement for the TDE budwood. I don't know how that works but perhaps shoot them an email.

Vail,

Thanks. Yeah I noticed they update the CCPP ordering site between last month and this month.
Ahhhh, that makes sense. I did not know that Shasta Gold was a patented and/or licensed variety. So I bet that I (home grower) can't get access to it through their repository.

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Have you tried Dekopon before?

(I find them to be very sweet and overly rich, almost slight mango flavor, but makes a great snack food for a paper bag lunch, kind of like an orange that is easier to peel. Personally I still prefer Shasta Gold though)

SoCal2warm,

Where did you find the budwood for your Shasta Gold?

I have been reading about it and based on descriptions you have posted on TFF and others comments on other forums it sounds like one that I want to try.

UCR has it in their collection: https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/tde2.html

However, the don't offer it on the CCPP budwood order page. If I search the page for 'Shasta' or 'tde2' or '490' (the UCR VI for Shasta Gold is 490) it is not listed as something I can order budwood from.

I have seen a few nurseries online that sell the trees, but they don't ship to AZ.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?
« on: April 15, 2019, 11:24:27 AM »
Who is growing No Mai Tsze lychee?

I have been looking into grafting lychees and Oscar pointed out (back in a post in 2012 I think) that the chance for a good take increases if a lychee is grafted onto a seedling from the same cultivar. And because I am very interested in grafting a No Mai Tsze lychee, I am looking for No Mai Tsze seeds.

So my question (and request) to anyone growing No Mai Tsze lychees: Could you save the seeds? I would love to try sprouting the seeds and grafting onto the seedlings.

Thanks!

Old Post but wanted to inform that No Mai Tze is very compatible grafting onto longan and hakip rootstocks. I got takes in 3 spots 5 grafts It failed on Brewster. Grows aggressive on longan. It even bloomed in first season.

That is great information, thanks for sharing!
I have a Diamond River longan that I think is going to get topworked then ... :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: To Mulch or Not to Mulch (Fruit Trees)
« on: April 13, 2019, 02:36:50 PM »
My neighbor just told me that landscapers had heavily mulched her avocado tree (week or 2 ago?), and it quickly died. It was a large tree. The stump is at least 2 feet in diameter. Will try to get more info.

Fresh mulch can reach 180 degrees F while breaking down, at which point it will catch fire.  What soil temperature would kill an avocado tree?  120-130?   If you take wood chips and compost them, you still have wood chips 2 months later, just much less, but much safer.  Or if you do want to apply fresh mulch, make a high donut ring far from the main stem, the larger the tree the farther away you go.  Make it high and as thin as possible.

Everybody's mulch is different, and your trees likely can build up a tolerance to mulching, eventually your trees can handle a huge mound of mulch around them, but don't go from zero to that much immediately.

This is a very good point. We would get wood chip piles from fresh tree trimmings (particularly if there are a lot of leaves too) that are giving off sensible heat even several inches away. If you spread this on top of existing mulch (which is insulating) and the layer is not too thick the tree will likely be fine. But if you put a thick layer of fresh tree trimmings on top of tree roots that had no mulch to begin with and that tree has a lot of surface-feeder roots (like avocados) the ground and surface roots will quickly get to tree-threatening temperatures.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf pomegranate that doesn't suck?
« on: April 08, 2019, 09:58:49 AM »
Nope, sorry, that's kind of the definition of a "dwarf pomegranate". You get tiny dwarf fruits.

That was not my question. I don't care if the fruit is small. I want to the fruits (whatever size they are) to be eating quality.

However, the variety Parfianka (as well as many other hardy Russian varieties) grows to be smaller than most.

You can of course use skilled pruning to keep the bush as small as you want, as long as you are sure to keep up pruning every year.
I do not find Parfianka to be a small grower. I have many grafted many varieties onto my large Wonderful bush: http://desertvalleyorchard.blogspot.com/p/frankenpomegranate.html

And again, that was not my question. I know I can prune to keep shape. I do a lot of pruning in my yard.

So the question stands: Is there a dwarf pomegranate that produces high eating quality fruit (i.e. doesn't suck).

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Dwarf pomegranate that doesn't suck?
« on: April 07, 2019, 08:38:20 PM »
Does anybody know of a dwarf pomegranate whose fruit doesn't suck?

I have 3 dwarfs that I uses a very narrow hedge. They are the 'Red Lady' dwarfs from Florida Hill Nursery that I bought years ago. The plants are *beautiful*. Very short internode spacing and slow grow. They look full and lush and 'feathery' even in full AZ sun. And they are usually full of miniature pomegranates that hang like ornaments. I am incredibly happy with these plants....

... except for the flavor. The pomegranates are exceptionally hard seeded, arils are bitter with no balancing sweetness. In a word, they suck.

They are essentially inedible. So these plants are basically ornamental plants now. Not the worst thing in the world... but I think I can do better than that.

I would love to graft on a variety that has the same dwarf habit, but that has better fruit.

So: who knows of a dwarf variety with (verifiably) good fruit?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Suriname Cherries - Advice?
« on: April 04, 2019, 11:08:09 AM »
^^^ what Barath said

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Mark in Texas can tell you about the citrus bureau there. They get it from CCPP and both CCPP and they tack on a nice surcharge. $150 budwood.

Someone contacted CCPP recently and told me they will have it again in June.

Cool, thanks Fang!

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Have you tried Dekopon before?

(I find them to be very sweet and overly rich, almost slight mango flavor, but makes a great snack food for a paper bag lunch, kind of like an orange that is easier to peel. Personally I still prefer Shasta Gold though)

I have. I really love them. I normally like a lot of acid to balance the sweetness in my citrus. But like you mention, the flavor is so intense and rich. I can only eat one at a time, but I do enjoy them a lot.

I have a lot of other Mandarins growing that I have grafted onto my trees and I just want to add Shiranui to the collection.

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Citrus General Discussion / Clean Shinanui Mandarin Budwood sources
« on: April 03, 2019, 02:29:10 PM »
Has anyone found a source for clean / certified disease free Shiranui (Dekopon, Sumo) Mandarin budwood?

I have checked CCPP off and on and they keep saying Temporarily Unavailable. And from what I gather, many people are interested in the CCPP budwood for Shiranui and can't get it.

Are there any other sources? What about the USDA, does their citrus repository have Shiranui?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Alphonso mango x 1
« on: April 02, 2019, 09:31:12 AM »
Maxi,

If you have a tree to offer, start a new thread with what you have for sale. Don't hijack someone else's for sale thread.

Buy mango trees online from us at competitive price. We are one of the best online shopping site offering genuine mango trees such as Alphonso mangoes tree of the highest grade.

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