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Re: Water accumulation in your neighboorhood
« Reply #100 on: June 01, 2023, 09:35:28 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJv1IPNZQao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOKElp_jGLQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI&t=119s
lol......... Just started skimming through 1 st video and I gotta say:: I Love It  ... Someone who actually shows the tabulations of data .. Yea...
I checked out what he says about the 1930's being hotter in the summer than recent summers and sure enough NOAA has verified the data.
Look at the all Time Records tab.
If those temps had occurred last summer or this summer.... Current Gov't would have made us all get on our bikes or walk... lol...
https://www.weather.gov/arx/heat_jul36

Graphics / MapsTemperatures (July 5-18, 1936)All-Time Records
All-Time Records Set in July 1936

Location   Temperature   Date
Decorah, IA   111F   July 14
Fayette, IA   110F   July 14
New Hampton, IA   110F   July 13
Mondovi, WI   110F   July 14
Richland Center, WI   110F   July 14
Rochester, MN   108F   July 11 & 14
La Crosse, WI   108F   July 14
Lancaster, WI   108F   July 14
Viroqua, WI   108F   July 13
Hatfield, WI   108F   July 14
Osage, IA   107F   July 14
Friendship, WI   106F   July 14
Grand Meadow, MN   106F   July 14
Mather, WI   106F   July 14
Neillsville, WI   106F   July 14
Sparta, WI   106F   July 13
Medford, WI   104F   July 13

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Re: Water accumulation in your neighboorhood
« Reply #101 on: June 01, 2023, 10:25:51 PM »
I'm a lifelong petrolhead and drive sports cars, motorcycles, and drive a diesel truck to tow all the gear... But I'd still buy an electric car when it comes time to get a new one.

I've been buying fuel-efficient cars since I could drive because I was POOR. Then when I wasn't poor anymore I realized I was cheap  ;D I don't get why people want to pay more than they have to, and honestly most of the people I hear out here bitching around gas prices aren't driving old cars, they're driving brand new Hemi Rams and it's like "guys, the politicians you think are making gas prices go up didn't make you buy a 17 mpg tank on a 72-month loan that you're not going to use for anything except going to the D-back tailgate, did they?"

I've held off on electric for a long time due to the lack of infrastructure, but Ford's lineup of EV/hybrids has gotten me interested again, particularly since a plug-in is still the only way that solar breaks even out here despite the fact that the sun is always there (our power company specifically does not want people to switch to solar since they're heavily invested in fossil fuels). I'm a truck guy who need it for actual work and hobbies, so it's nice to see some performance FINALLY being welded onto cost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJv1IPNZQao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOKElp_jGLQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI&t=119s

Link 1: John Cristy's conclusions about the climate being carbon insensitive have been disproven and discredited by other scientists, and I'm mildly surprised that he's still beating that drum. Basically he and Sanders found a math error with some of the models and then extrapolated that into a faulty conclusion that doesn't hold up to further scrutiny. This is actually kind of ironic since he was one of the scientists who originally figured out why there was a temporary cooling bias in satellite data (he was one of the lead authors of a paper that was basically "no really, its getting warmer": https://web.archive.org/web/20070423150153/http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap1-1/finalreport/sap1-1-final-execsum.pdf) and he should probably know better by now about temporary biases.

Link 2: Linzen has a huge body of impressive work but a lot of his theories on climate change have not borne out. His theory about the Iris effect turned out to be effectively backwards in that what he thought would provide a cooling effect instead provided a warming effect in-line with NASA predictions (ironically, John Christy, the guy in your first link, worked on the project that showed the warming effect from the Iris effect after the erruption of Pinatubo).

I mean, it is absolutely important to listen to scientists even when they represent like a 1% consensus, because they're occasionally right. But most of the time, they're not, or (like these two) they find discrepancies but jump to conclusions that don't bear out. You see this pretty often in other branches of science as well, especially with older researchers who are approaching new subjects (the theory is that they overestimate their general knowledge capacity due to having been geniuses in a specialized area).

Ironically the one time that I know of where an iconoclast scientist was RIGHT was the guy who discovered that leaded gasoline was completely saturating the air in the world with extreme levels of lead due to a massive coverup by the petroleum companies. Fascinating story if you like reading about that kind of thing: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/94569/clair-patterson-scientist-who-determined-age-earth-and-then-saved-it

Link 3: Saw that years ago, would be interesting as an add-on to other strategies if they can figure out how to reduce methane output from cow butts to keep it at a net negative. I'd seen some promising stuff a decade ago about adding seaweed to their feed to do so but haven't checked up on that in a while.

I checked out what he says about the 1930's being hotter in the summer than recent summers and sure enough NOAA has verified the data.

It's called a statistical outlier. If there's a trend in one direction in a complex system with a bunch of inputs and you have some spikes in that trend line, that's not by itself evidence of anything, any more than the cooler-than-expected years around the turn of the century (that turned out to be Mt. Pinatubo releasing a bunch of ash into the upper atmosphere that blocked some sunlight, not that that stopped every libertarian thinktank in 2002 from releasing a swarm of "itz gettin cooler global warmin's is a hoaxzas" "articles") is any evidence of anything by itself.

I get that people who don't know much about statistics don't get that, but I'm surprised again that John Christy is pretending not to.
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Re: Water accumulation in your neighboorhood
« Reply #102 on: June 01, 2023, 10:47:37 PM »
I love data from prior years and events... Opinions ... lol... All have one or more...

Back on topic::: Yes I got rain today and yesterday and yes the ditches are holding water and yes the soil is saturated.

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Re: Water accumulation in your neighboorhood
« Reply #104 on: June 02, 2023, 03:19:17 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDWq7-eP5sE

I don't think Jordan Peterson should be in this section "Tropical Fruit Discussion".
He really should be in the " Temperate Fruit Discussion".
along with all the other nuts.

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Re: Water accumulation in your neighboorhood
« Reply #105 on: June 02, 2023, 10:54:19 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDWq7-eP5sE

I don't think Jordan Peterson should be in this section "Tropical Fruit Discussion".
He really should be in the " Temperate Fruit Discussion".
along with all the other nuts.

lmao!

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Re: Water accumulation in your neighboorhood
« Reply #106 on: June 02, 2023, 11:31:38 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDWq7-eP5sE

I don't think Jordan Peterson should be in this section "Tropical Fruit Discussion".
He really should be in the " Temperate Fruit Discussion".
along with all the other nuts.

lmao!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zetS51I0WwU

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Re: Water accumulation in your neighboorhood
« Reply #107 on: June 02, 2023, 12:04:53 PM »
Boy....how easy shit goes sideways these days. There were some helpful suggestions regarding the water accumulation, so I won't blast this tread into the sun, but seems past due for locking.


Here's my take on these situations: most of you are regulars, I've seen you asking and sharing advice on here freely countless times before. It's human nature to dislike/distrust others who do not share our worldview on topics with great physical/emotional/financial stakes, so some number of us have passed value judgements onto other members for their expressed views; those judgements will linger going forward. Do we see a post from one of those members in the future and reflexively think, "oh, there's that idiot that believes _______"? Do we not share/take advice with/from them because of that?


It has a chilling effect on some portion of the community when we go down these paths, we don't need that. It's hard not to get sucked in, god knows I wanted to say my piece several times reading over this, but what good would it really have done? None. What matters, what is valued on here, relates strictly to cultivating fruit; leave the rest of the mess and let's all please do our best to stay on target.