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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Polyfoliate Swingle Citrumelo
« on: October 03, 2025, 02:50:28 PM »
It's not wildly unusual to see young citrus not know how to leaf and make weird leaves of all sorts. If it's stable, that'd be cool!

Also, great to see more island folks here :)

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Grapefruit tree in UK
« on: August 12, 2025, 05:33:15 PM »
Quote from: citrange on August 12, 2025, 04:14:33 PM
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There was a brief historical period where there were substantial sour orange plantings in the south of England.
I don't know where you heard that - but I don't think it's correct!
There were orangeries associated with stately homes and a couple of south-facing 'citrus walls' in the mildest coastal areas of south-west England but not what I would call 'substantial plantings'.
Can you point us to any evidence?

So, from the sources I can quickly find, there were open plantings at Beddington Park that were lightly sheltered in winter, wiped out after over a hundred years (wiped out by the Great Frost™), producing ten thousand fruit a year in their prime. I think that must have been the planting I was thinking of. Not entirely unprotected, but certainly substantial.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Grapefruit tree in UK
« on: August 12, 2025, 12:42:16 PM »
Quote from: tedburn on August 10, 2025, 02:33:15 PM
Very interesting link. Thanks for sharing.
Didn' t be aware, that grapefruits had been planted successful in ground in England.
Had only been aware of Citranges and Citrumelos.

There was a brief historical period where there were substantial sour orange plantings in the south of England.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Where to buy citrus online (USA)
« on: December 18, 2024, 02:39:01 PM »
Citrus TreeSource in California sell a Red Finger Lime, and it should be easy to find a nursery they sell to in your area who might have them.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Wanted: Swingle Citrumelo rootstock seeds
« on: October 28, 2024, 02:10:58 AM »
Citrus TreeSource or Lyn Citrus would be the go-tos in California.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB Citrus rootstock for pomelo grafting
« on: September 22, 2024, 04:58:23 PM »
I'd be surprised if you'll find anywhere selling things to be used as rootstock given that propagation is, itself, restricted in Florida, even if you're not planning to resell. That's a bit silly, but seems like a real barrier in Florida.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB: Shikuwasa aka Citrus depressa
« on: September 01, 2024, 06:18:04 PM »
Agreed that the wildly long leaves don't look like any of the hundreds of Citrus depressa I've grown from seed, but some of the other pictures are closer; and with something like a 20% zygotic offspring rate, who knows what the long boy is.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Grafting tips (particularly kumquats)?
« on: August 18, 2024, 03:24:40 AM »
I used to use parafilm and now use buddy tape. I had some failures this year that I'm pretty sure were largely down to not doing a rubber band wrap to ensure good contact, and next year I'll probably go back to doing a rubber band over top. I think Dan talks about that in some of his videos, too. I keep my grafted trees in an overall more mellow environment while healing: less heat, less sun, etc.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Grafting tips (particularly kumquats)?
« on: August 17, 2024, 01:26:49 PM »
I'd start with encouraging you to try T-budding again; if the bark isn't slipping, that may be because the bark isn't slipping, and it's not a good time to bud. If you're really striking out with budding, I'd recommend a Z-graft, as something which is a lot less fussy, and may circumvent whatever problems you're having with budding.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Grafting tips (particularly kumquats)?
« on: August 16, 2024, 10:03:18 PM »
It's hard to give tips on getting grafts to take without knowing what you're doing. Say as much as you can about your technique, the state of your rootstock and budwood, and the environment the grafted trees are in after grafting and the rootstock beforehand.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: ISO Prague citsuma scionwood or grafted tree
« on: July 22, 2024, 08:15:05 PM »
Quote from: Hershell on July 22, 2024, 07:43:53 PM
I’m in the process of getting it cleaned up in the CCPP program. It did have several pathogens so if you receive buds from anyone it’s not pathogen free. Hopefully I’ll get clean buds back by spring of 25. It is a slow and expensive process. When I receive buds I still have to grow out increase trees and then production trees.

So grateful that you're doing that, Hershell! Wow. Thank you, on behalf of all of us!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Flat braches on mandarin
« on: July 18, 2024, 05:15:20 PM »
Quote from: CharlieLoon on July 18, 2024, 09:46:31 AM
Interesting--well that's helpful to know. I couldn't find much info on the more two-dimensional growth in my books or easily online so it had me worried.

Two-dimensional growth would be very impressive :) I think the term I'm more accustomed to seeing is "angular". There is a more proper term, but I can't remember it. Sometimes knowing what to call a phenomenon and how to think about it determines whether it seems extremely rare or extremely common. In this case, it's absolutely normal.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Custom Grafting
« on: June 15, 2024, 10:54:27 PM »
Paying for custom-grafted trees from someone else can be worth it if you don't already have suitable rootstock on-hand, don't have a lot of space to keep enough on-hand to support your learning process, or can't grow a tree as quickly as the custom grower can. I do a lot of grafting, myself, but I'll also happily buy trees that someone else can get further along faster than I can; much as I grow my own rootstock, but will buy from someone else when the price is right. Well-tuned commercial operations are sometimes so much more efficient that it's cheaper than doing it myself to reach the same point, as well as potentially being much quicker. People have all kinds of reasons for making the choices that they do.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Safe to plant citrus trees in the ground near my front yard?
« on: May 31, 2024, 03:02:40 PM »
Quote from: SoCalGardenNut on May 31, 2024, 02:36:23 PM
Thanks @Millet. I’m not worrying about lifting the foundation now, but I really want to limit the growth of this tree. It’s right in front of my house, I’ve seen some lemon trees in our hood, they can get very big and cover the whole house.

Prune whenever it looks to be going above the height that you want to maintain?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Calamondin vs. Indio
« on: May 15, 2024, 12:55:10 AM »
Most calamansi I've had are near to key lime in sourness, while I've had a lot of mandarinquats (not sure if Indio or another) which were much, much sweeter and balanced.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Orange seedlings: Bark growth / disease?
« on: May 13, 2024, 01:07:12 PM »
That also looks like heavy scale infestation to me. Spraying with horticultural oil would be harmless and diagnostic, if nothing else.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What satsuma tastes exactly like canned mandarin oranges?
« on: May 03, 2024, 02:11:11 PM »
Quote from: sc4001992 on May 03, 2024, 01:54:36 PM
Do you know the brix value of sweetness of the shatangju?

Not empirically, but some papers I dug up seem to suggest around 13º, which I think is comparable to the low end of dekopon?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What satsuma tastes exactly like canned mandarin oranges?
« on: May 03, 2024, 01:40:12 PM »
What time of year? I would guess shatangju, based on eating rather a lot of them when they're in season. They taste very sugary (thus the name.) I am not aware of any US sources, but up here in Canada the fruit are available for like four or five months a year from China, and they can grow pretty vigorously from seed.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: April 29, 2024, 12:28:21 PM »
Quote from: mikkel on April 29, 2024, 10:39:39 AM
a bit off topic, there are reports that grafting on Limonia accidissima can induce immediate flowering.
Unfortunately, I can't remember which paper I read this in.

It's mentioned in the Citrus Industry and quoted on the CRC page: "Citrus when grafted on the wood apple is sometimes forced promptly into bloom."

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Summer Limes for year around harvest?
« on: April 28, 2024, 12:24:58 PM »
Looking at UCR (all of the limes seem to have Season of Ripeness listed?), the only one that's mentioned as everbearing is Tahiti Lime (CRC 391), which is not available through CCPP, unfortunately. :/ You might look at hybrids which can be used like limes, but that's a bigger list of things to mull, and depends on individual tastes a lot.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: US-802 citrumelo
« on: April 10, 2024, 10:45:27 PM »
CCPP has US-802 as VI 1499, and should have budwood available at some point in the not-too-distant future, albeit not available for ordering as-yet.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: 20 Inch tall Okinawan Shiikuwasha Blooming
« on: March 20, 2024, 11:32:53 AM »
Quote from: mkono on March 20, 2024, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: Mulberry0126 on March 18, 2024, 07:40:15 PM
Is this a normal occurrence? I think I read something about grafting to Shiikuwasha inducing flowering sooner but I can't quite remember.

I think so. They use shekwasha as a rootstock in Japan to induce earlier flowering.

You're thinking of this paper: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.scienta.2008.03.003

The comment that it is used in Japan as a rootstock in induce precocity is slightly misleading; it's not that common, and is also used in lots of places for research use. Also, it was trialed as a rootstock in North Florida ages ago for other reasons.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold hardy lemons
« on: March 16, 2024, 11:56:55 PM »
How old was the keraji seedling when killed?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Japanese citrus I have known and loved: Winter 2022-2023
« on: March 05, 2024, 07:45:46 PM »
I find the peels a bit bitter in most usage, but dried and powdered they're a nice addition to lots of kinds of spice blends. I'm surprised at the low seediness, and I wonder if that's a varietal difference or an environmental one. So delighted to hear there's suppliers popping up in the US!

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Looking for rootstock seeds (US-942, US-812, C-57 or FA-5)
« on: March 02, 2024, 02:32:05 PM »
Lyn is unfortunately very difficult to deal with, in my experience. Phone may be best, but set your hopes good and low.

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