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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Use Morton for hardy, good-tasting crosses
« on: June 06, 2025, 03:35:26 AM »
Overall the plant looks like my original Morton.
In 2011 I planted 30 nucellar seedlings of Morton in open without any protection. Two of them were never damaged. One of them had  fruits of better quality than the original plant.
Citrus genetics is very complex, especially for interspecific hybrids. Large genome rearrangements often occurs .

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Use Morton for hardy, good-tasting crosses
« on: June 05, 2025, 05:23:25 PM »
I called it Morton_nucellar because it was one of   nucellar seedlings of my original Morton, not because it was different in this respect ( zygotic/nucellar).
It probably came from somatic cell mutation in nucellus.

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Still, it is strange since  poncirus has been used in Chinese traditional medicine for thousand of years.

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Probably, the main reason was the temporal isolation of poncirus from other citrus species (the so-called allochronic isolation). The flowering of poncirus occurs about a month earlier. Although there should have been overlaps from time to time, especially with remontant varieties. There must have been some other human factors.
Under wet and hot conditions poncirus is making several flushes and flower up to three times a season.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Naoshichi
« on: June 01, 2025, 04:33:52 PM »
In Wikipedia there is an article of it , but only in French.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 Citrandarin (X-639) winter hardiness trial
« on: June 01, 2025, 03:01:35 AM »


As for Bernhard Voß, I think we can all relate. Nothing remains of his cooperation and enthusiasm for citrus. I don't even know if he's still involved in this area. I must also say that some of the things he wrote in literature and online were very optimistic, and there were disappointments because the frost resistance didn't turn out to be as good as claimed, and on top of that, the plants were much smaller than their parent plants. His focus these days is tree care, including everything that goes with it, and it seems that there's a lot more money to be made with that than with citrus, especially since citrus, albeit more standard varieties, are now available in any larger garden center and nursery, and sometimes even in supermarkets, in attractive sizes and at reasonable prices. Unfortunately, he can't or won't say anything more about botanically interesting and important things from his past active years, things he should still know, or things he should still have information about...
Usirius,
I guess you are too tough on him. Bernhardt nursery  played an enormous role in reviving an interest in hardy citruses in Europe.
Personally, I'm very grateful to him for introducing me to this fantastic realm. Met him personally few times, bought my initial collection at the turn of  the century as well as his excellent book on hardy citrus.
Still communicate by messager, he has been very responsive.
His interest now is more in new prune hybrids, probably more pragmatic than citruses at 53N of Hamburg.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cause of Extra Dwarfing
« on: May 27, 2025, 04:25:59 PM »
Poncirus homeland is to  he mountains north and west of Beijing.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Breeding a blood yuzu
« on: May 15, 2025, 10:28:25 AM »
Most of the function in plants as well as other living organisms are polygenic, that is that they are determined by cumulative action of several genes. We do not know how many genes of these suppressors  exist and if they are clustered in one region or spread over different chromosomes. Elimination them will require different Fx generations.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Breeding a blood yuzu
« on: May 15, 2025, 07:50:12 AM »
Ruby expression in poncirus occurs in  the late autumn leaves, otherwise it is suppressed. The same is true for the new shoots color in C.ichangensis and Yuzu. This suppression could be responsible for the absence of pigment in F1 hybrids containing blood orange ruby gene.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Breeding a blood yuzu
« on: May 14, 2025, 09:26:58 AM »
New shoots in PTxichangensis cross are colored, the same in some of my 5starxYuzu seedlings

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Breeding a blood yuzu
« on: May 14, 2025, 02:44:50 AM »

I have a question about the dominance of the Ruby gene. There are several hybrids of Ruby orange and PT: Benton, Cunningham, Morton, Sanford, Wallace, Phelps, Savage, Rusk, C-35, C-32. And that's not all. I haven't heard of any of them having bloody flesh. And I have not heard at all that citranges or any other PT hybrids with bloody flesh exist. Therefore, it seems to me that the Ruby allele, which causes staining, is dominant only in relation to the orange non-blood allele. But it is recessive against the non-blood variant of the PT gene. Or, in PT some other genes disrupt the biosynthesis of anthocyanins. What do you think about this?
It could be, Ruby in oranges codes for one of the dozens of transcription factors together regulating expression of genes responsible of anthocyanin color development. It could be that it is not compatible with poncirus version of them.
On another hand, color development in Ruby orange is quite variable depending on temperature.
Several years ago I made crosses of 5star with Moro 58-8D-1, Tarocco TDV and Amoa8 mandarin. Some of this plants are still alive, but none flowered yet.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Breeding a blood yuzu
« on: May 12, 2025, 03:18:35 AM »
So an F1 hybrid should also be blood?
Moro, Tarocco and Chinese blood oranges are heterozygous, that is they contain only one chromosome with active gene, another is defective like in common oranges.
Half of their F1 hybrids will possess active gene.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Breeding a blood yuzu
« on: May 11, 2025, 04:36:30 PM »
Mutated ruby gene in blood oranges is dominant.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Breeding a blood yuzu
« on: May 11, 2025, 12:36:08 PM »
It is not the same gene, there are mutations in the regulatory element, that permit the anthocyanin development specifically in  fruits, but not in spring shoots.
link

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Frost hardy citrus in Poland, zone 6
« on: May 10, 2025, 09:55:54 AM »
In my climate pure PT is very often flowers a second time in summer on the new growth.
Do Yolar and Orla come from FD fruits?

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The data that shown does not give the standard deviation, just one result per sample. It seems to me that this method is not able to determine the difference between genomes of these varieties. It will be very instructive to see if there will be two peaks for the  mixture of Rangpur and Finger Lime samples.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Community Tristeza Virus test results
« on: May 07, 2025, 11:10:23 AM »
The presence of highly pathogenic strains of CTV is quite obvious- plants die  in 1-2 years.
Otherwise, as points Radoslav, presence of mild strains is asymptotic and even helps in protection against virulent  varieties.
As to its elimination in substrate- CTV is not stable, heating soil at 60C for one hour will  kill it.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Gemini
« on: May 05, 2025, 04:51:17 PM »
Link for the triploids among citranges
Also, for the places where the second link of Boris is not working, a legal source of this article:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/45440524_Polyembryony_in_non-apomictic_citrus_genotypes

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Calamondin curiousities...
« on: May 05, 2025, 09:25:43 AM »
Citrus seedlings, even nucellar clones of thornless varieties,  are often have them. Their size and the number are gradually reduced.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Calamondin curiousities...
« on: May 05, 2025, 03:54:09 AM »
Here in Europe all calamondins are thornless.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Gemini
« on: May 05, 2025, 03:52:12 AM »
It was described in the case of triploid seedlings.
There is also an article pointing to about 30% of triploids among orangeXPT crosses.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Use Morton for hardy, good-tasting crosses
« on: May 02, 2025, 10:49:51 AM »
Morton is highly polyembryonic , the pollen can be used, but I observed its low fertility.
I eventually got several hardy hybrids by pollination 5star flowers.
https://citrusgrowersv2.proboards.com/thread/687/hardy-hybrids

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@Lauta do you know if herbalistics is on FB or has any other kind of web presence beside Insta?
https://herbalistics.com.au/new-australian-fingerlime-hybrid/

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: April 28, 2025, 10:20:53 AM »
When fully ripe the juice can be used after one night in refrigerator to get rid of oils. Very good smell, excellent curd can be used for citrumelo pies preparation. Fruits can be stored for several months.

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