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Does anyone here have some more guava varieties they can hook me up with?
Looking for common guavas...just with names.
Thanks much!
Also, never knew that this thread would gain so much traction.
glad to see the love of psidiums spreading!

I was just at Mimosa, crazy collection of guavas there, picked up ruby supreme. I saw: kilo, vietnamese giant white, century, watermelon, red malaysia, Taiwan white, Thai, Taiwan Ruby, Thai Seedless, Ổi Nữ Hoàng (queen), Ổi Không Hạt Thái Lan, Ổi Mật Thủy Đào, Giống cây ổi tím Malaysia.

I'm going to try to air layer some guava next spring, stay tuned. Will try on skittles, long leaf, guineense, strawberry, lemon, and orange flesh guajava.
Amazing. Look forward to hearing back later.
if anyone else has some different varietals, I'm always open to buying.

I have some Patillo Guava seedlings. It is a Mexican variety of guava, pink flesh with a subacid, mild flavor that the University of Florida Extension recommends for home growers. I got the seeds from Trade Winds. Since these are seedlings, they are not guaranteed to grow exactly true to type. You can see a photo of them on my sale page:

I haven't done much propagating lately. But, I used to do quite a bit, and I simply used heat mats and grow lights, a pretty standard, basic setup. Make sure you use a good seed starting mix. Don't use too much mix, so use small containers such as seed starting trays. Don't water them too much, but don't let them get too dry. Heat mats and grow lights should provide you with more than sufficient heat to ward off cool temperatures, which shouldn't really be a problem when propagating seeds inside during a zone 10a winter (it was a little more of a problem for me, since I actually have a winter where I live).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Battle of the Soapberries
« on: November 27, 2023, 04:43:22 PM »
I used to think that lychees were the best among these soapberry species. Now, I prefer rambutans. Rambutans, despite the drawback of their clinging flesh, have a more agreeable taste at all stages of ripeness, from underripe to overripe. Lychees tend to get unpleasant tastes and aftertastes when they get too ripe or are otherwise not properly ripened. Since I, by nature of not living in or near lychee and rambutan growing areas, have to buy my lychees and rambutans from grocery stores, I tend to get rambutans, since I know they will always be, at the bare minimum, good. I cannot say that for lychees.

That being said, supposedly pulasans are the best of all the soapberry species. Though, Adolf Grimal went to great lengths to add alupag to Grimal Grove due to its outstanding taste. Considering his wealth of fruit hunting experience, that may say something about which soapberry is the best.

A bump ahead of Cyber Monday. Or, you could just give me money on Giving Tuesday. ;D

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Rare Fruit Books For Sale
« on: November 26, 2023, 05:29:04 PM »
A bump ahead of Cyber Monday. Or, you could just give me money on Giving Tuesday. ;D

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Psidium Striatulum Seeds For Sale
« on: November 22, 2023, 12:32:07 PM »
I just sold the last of these seeds. Thank you to everyone who bought them. I hope everyone has a great deal of success growing this fruit. It's growth habit and taste have placed it pretty high on my list of favorite plants I'm growing. I think it is an essential fruit plant for container growers, particularly those who have less space.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Psidium Striatulum Seeds For Sale
« on: November 10, 2023, 12:03:29 PM »
Good day,

I would love to buy 20 psidium striatulum seeds from you.  Please let me know where to send payment.


PM sent.

I have Psidium striatulum seeds available now, for anyone who is interested: My plants' fruits ripened recently, and I still have some seeds from them.

More new plants added.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Psidium Striatulum Seeds For Sale [SOLD]
« on: November 08, 2023, 11:29:18 PM »
There seems to be a good deal of interest in Psidium striatulum on the Forum right now, which is great because I think it is a fruit more people should grow, as I am. Since my Psidium striatulums fruited within the past few weeks, I have seeds available to fellow Forum members.

The price is $7.00 for 20 seeds. Free shipping for orders in the United States. No international shipping as I do not have the time to deal with onerous customs paperwork.

20 seeds should more than guarantee that you get multiple healthy plants.

I am not interested in trades, since I already have too many plants. ::)

I do not have an indefinite number of seeds, but enough for several people to order.

You can see photographs of my plants' fruits on the Psidium striatulum thread:

There is a great deal of variability in the genera Nick mentioned.

Annonas: Sugar apple is your best be here, depending on exactly how much room you have. I have four-year-old sugar apples fruiting in relatively small pots at about 5' tall. A sugar apple can be kept in a 25 gallon pot pretty much indefinitely, but does not need to be in that large of a pot to fruit. Cherimoyas and custard apples grow larger and more vigorously. I have them in my collection, but they have never fruited and are growing a bit too tall. There are some rarer Annonas with either somewhat lesser quality fruits or larger growth habits that I am not going to get into here.

Eugenias: Eugenias are great container plants, with the caveat that not all are suitable. Surinam cherries tend to respond well to pruning; they will get as large as you let them, but you can hack them back without them suffering. Their fruiting age and size (and fruit quality) is variable, but I have had one fruit at three years in a one gallon pot. I would avoid grumichama, pitomba, and Eugenia leitonii; they either get too large or are too finicky. There are many, many, many new species being introduced to the US that are relatively unknown as to how they perform as container plants. I will get back to you in a few years about some of those. ;D

Citrus: I like citrus, but I find that they are harder to care for than the Myrtaceae now wildly popular among rare fruit growers. Root diseases and spider mites are problems, at least among mine. Other growers do not have those problems. Another forum user, Brian, does a great job with citrus in Pennsylvania.

Guavas: Your standard Psidium guajava has not been a standout in my collection. I have a Columbian red guava. It wants to grow large, yet refuses to fruit, despite being four-years-old. This can be alleviated by buying air-layered cuttings from fruiting plants, but those can sometimes be hard to find and expensive. If you can find a reputable grower with a variety you want, that would probably be the way to go. I really like Psidium striatulum, which fruits young and at a small size. That species tops out at 10' tall in nature; you can prune it to be smaller and more compact. Its foliage is quite ornamental. Its fruit is just as good as a commerical red guava, in my opinion. Like Eugenias, Psidiums are getting a lot of attention from growers due to new species and varieties coming out of Brazil and Argentina. Some of them have some promise, but the jury is still out.

Jaboticabas: Also variable. Red hybrid and scarlet (escarlate) are the two best varieties for container growers. They fruit at a small size and at a young age. Plinia phitrantha is another good choice, but I find that it gets larger, closer in size to sabaras and Grimals. That has not stopped me from having all of those, plus several other species in my collection.

For all these plants, be aware that they will not fruit as quickly in more northern, temperate areas as they do in Florida, California, or Hawaii. That is simply the nature of geography. In my experience, add a year or two to account for that. So, if people in Florida can fruit a species in three years, plan on it being four or five years for you. That is not just my experience; Jay (Tropical Fruit Hunter) has written about having similar experiences with delayed fruiting in his Ohio greenhouse.

I am not writing this to discourage you, just to provide a little advice. Go out there and grow what you want to grow, even if it is going to get stupidly large (my jackfruits and mamey sapotes). Just remember that this fruit growing hobby is supposed to be fun and provide you with delicious fruit, not something where you are aggravated at large, non-fruiting plants. Avoid that.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Queensland Fruit Fly Found in California
« on: October 29, 2023, 02:02:11 PM »
Fruit growers definitely don't need another pest here in the US, but we may have one. Queensland Fruit Fly has recently been found in Southern California, with a quarantine established in parts of Los Angeles and Ventura Counties to try and eliminate it before it can get established. Here's an article about it from Growing Produce:

I already brought most of mine in a couple of weeks ago, when the lows reached the 40s. Now, all the citrus are coming in with lows in my area reaching the mid-30s. My weekend is spoken for. ::)

I agree with one of the previous posts that winter is arriving a little early, compared to recent history; though, as my mom, a fellow grower (of various houseplants, now considered heirlooms) told me, this is still later than when she would bring her plants inside 30 or 40 years ago.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Rare Fruit Books For Sale
« on: October 21, 2023, 10:07:47 PM »

New plants added.

I've never managed to get any to germinate, much less get them to fruit. Trade Winds does not seem to be the place to source seeds of this species. So I cannot talk about this species from personal growing experience.

Morton says that Governor's Plum is dioecious. She also says that Louvi (Flacourtia inermis) is the only member of the genus with bisexual flowers, at least out of the four species she discusses. Janick and Paull say the same thing, though they say perfect flowers can occasionally occur on indica.

The race is OFFICIALLY on between Nate, Ryan, and I to fruiting.
Bet. Winner should get something from the other two ;D
I'll throw in a rare plinia of some sort LOL

Add me to the race. I bought a couple of Psidium sorocabense, as well as a couple of guineense varieties. After recently fruiting my striatulums, I'm feeling my oats about Psidium growing. I'm not sure what I want to wager, but I will certainly play for the pride of being first. 8)

I received my plants today, and I just want to say that any and all growers out there should consider buying some of these seedlings. David is a great grower, a real asset to the Forum and rare fruit growing community. Every plant looked absolutely perfect, and all were packed securely. If you have the space for a few more plants in your collection, you won't be sorry you ordered from him.

My understanding from reading about this species is that the fruit is mostly used to flavor juices, ice creams, and other things. It is eaten as is, straight off the plant, but I think that is due to some combination of individuals' sour tolerances and possible variation in sourness from plant to plant.

My Psidium striatulums flowered and fruited this summer for the first time. I probably could have induced fruiting earlier, but I tend not to be as diligent in up-potting plants as I should be. Still, fruiting at three years of age is not too bad considering the shorter growing season I have in north Alabama than in south Florida or their native Brazil. Also, they do not live outside year-round; they only spend Summer (and parts of Spring and Fall) outside since my winter temperatures would certainly kill them.

Their fruits have taken a little while to develop. The above photographs were taken in late August. The fruits had started forming in July. The fruit in the first photograph fully ripened yesterday. The rest are getting close. They spent quite a while small, green, and rock-hard. All told, it was between three to four months from flowering to fruit.

My first fruit was 2.5" long. It did not develop a rich yellow color like some other ripe striatulum fruits I have seen photos of. I think this can be ascribed to the relatively cool late summer and early fall temperatures in my area; I have already had to move my plants indoors, two weeks earlier than usual. Still, the fruit had softened, developed a nice scent, and came right off the plant, so it was ripe. It's flesh did not develop the bright red coloration of nana7b's fruits; it looked like the fruits in Miguel's photos at the beginning of this topic, a nice pink color.

The taste was that of a good guava. It was sweet, though not overtly so. It had very little sourness. There was no bitterness or off-notes or strange aftertaste. The seeds, though still hard, were smaller than in commercial guavas (Psidium guajava) and did not seem to have guava's teeth-breaking quality.

I am quite happy with striatulum fruit and the plant itself. Considering that the fruit of most plants improves with age, I think I will be even happier with them in, say, five years. The plant is also more manageable as a container plant than guajava. My Columbian Red Guava of the same age has not only not produced any fruit, despite being in a much larger pot than my striatulums, but it also requires regular pruning to keep it a manageable size. The only pruning I have done with my two striatulums was on a few branches to give them a better shape. They are much better behaved container plants. Certainly ones that will stay in my collection permanently.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: October 16, 2023, 09:37:25 PM »

Also, there is really no reason to buy Red, Grimal, or Phitranthas (of which there are many Phitrantha varieties) from overseas. Growers here in the US have fruiting examples of those plants.
The problem is that I am not based in the US. I'm in Europe. And from what I have been seeing around, there aren't that many vendors and prices are high (or very high).

Plus, Red, Scarlet (Escarlate), and Phitrantha can all fruit in under five years from seed. Grimal will take eight to ten years, but you won't decrease that time by grafting an immature seedling scion onto a rootstock. You need scions from fruiting trees to decrease or eliminate their maturation period and get fruit quickly.
Yes, you are right. At most I gain 1 or 2 years, starting from seedlings opposed to seeds. But around here, seeds are also difficult to get.

I see. I thought you were located in the US. Your profile says your location is "Mid-Atlantic." That is a region of the US. Hence, why I thought you were an American grower.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: October 16, 2023, 08:14:50 PM »
Although this thread has been a little quiet lately, I still hope some of the more knowledgeable members can answer my question.

I got Jaboticabaholic since I tasted some sabara fruits, from a large tree thriving here, and been collecting a dozen or so seedlings, all around 20-30cm high. But I don't want to wait the 10-15 years required for starting to fruit. So I was planning to use the seedlings as rootstocks for older branches of sabara, and also for adding scions from other varieties.

Recently I came across an overseas vendor who has plants of several more exotic varieties, from red hybrid to grimal and plinia phitranta.
Most of them are seedlings but he also has some air-layered.

Now, as stated in his shpping policy, he ships (international) everything barerooted, and transit time is from 7 to 14 days.

My question: will jaboticabas stand this harsh treatment and still survive ?

I don't think they will survive being barerooted. Jaboticabas don't like drying out completely; everyone shipping them in the US ships them potted in soil and well-watered.

Also, there is really no reason to buy Red, Grimal, or Phitranthas (of which there are many Phitrantha varieties) from overseas. Growers here in the US have fruiting examples of those plants. Plus, Red, Scarlet (Escarlate), and Phitrantha can all fruit in under five years from seed. Grimal will take eight to ten years, but you won't decrease that time by grafting an immature seedling scion onto a rootstock. You need scions from fruiting trees to decrease or eliminate their maturation period and get fruit quickly.

I could have sworn there was another thread on the Forum talking about Eugenia victoriana. I couldn't find it. Maybe there isn't one.

Here are a couple of threads that mention this fruit: and

Too bad it didn't taste as good as you expected. That sometimes happens with a plant's first crop of fruit. Maybe give it a few more years to see if it develops a better flavor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The secret to growing a healthy Pitomba?
« on: October 09, 2023, 01:08:40 AM »
I've seen no one here actually answer the question as to how to grow a healthy, productive pitomba. I cannot chime in with an answer, unfortunately. My one remaining pitomba has always been a stunted plant struggling to hang on, regardless of season. It's doing better than my other one, which died and became compost. So, I too would like to know how some other growers here on the Forum, particularly container growers, have raised healthy ones.

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