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Cold Hardy Citrus / Photo of Sancitchang #10 Roundleaf?
« on: February 26, 2023, 01:14:04 PM »
If anyone out there has a Sancitchang #10 specimen, would you mind sharing a photo of it's leaves?
I have googled and I have only found pictures of the fruit out there on the web, which is odd considering that the "rounded leaf" shape is supposed to be so particular.



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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus in Airpots
« on: February 08, 2023, 04:07:28 PM »
The drying is going to vary seasonally, winter / summer and also as the plant grows and extracts more water.
No mix is 100% perfect for all these stages, but many are wrong for all.
If Soil is more water holding it may work well for a small plant in mild weather, but fail when more water is needed in hot weather and also hold too much water in winter in cool dull weather.
The 5 1 1 type mixes can be better managed for water holding vs drainage.

That is probably true. I made the rookie mistake a while back of only using the MG Cactus/citrus/palm soil mix in a regular pot. It did great in the summer, but it killed my Ichang lemon in the winter. Plus the pot was too deep, which added to the problem. It felt dry an inch down, but a few more inches down it was still wet.  I think it compacted down too tightly and held onto water more than I expected. I have since moved on to 5-1-1 in regular pots, but I still think that would be too much drainage in an air-pot.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus in Airpots
« on: February 08, 2023, 03:54:23 PM »
I think the issue is more that irrigation water flows out of the side rather than draining deep into the container, rather than simply overall drying rate.  If you have a giant bucket where you can fully immerse the air-pot plants once in a while that should solve it.

I was thinking of this too actually, especially for the use of fertilizer.

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Citrus General Discussion / Citrus in Airpots
« on: February 08, 2023, 09:11:36 AM »
I want to try an airpot(the plastic ones with the cone shaped holes on the sides.
I looked through the files and read some of the complaints about these, mainly how quickly they dry out.

So my question is, should citrus then be planted in these pots with regular soil as opposed to the normal 5-1-1 mix, to hold on to moisture longer?

I also saw a youtube video where a man puts a wicking fabric through the bottom of these pots and looped it like a horse shoe on the inside. He says that in the summer he places the airpots on a tray filled with just enough water so that the bottom of the air pot is not actually touching the water, but the wick is still able to draw up moisture on those really hot days. Do you think that would help?


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Atlanta Winter Citrus Damage
« on: February 06, 2023, 02:08:16 PM »

I look forward to read about your update.
The Sinton citrangequat originated from Texas, I believe.
 Btw, I sure wish those UGA varieties were available in Texas.. Y'all are lucky.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrangequat(but Meiwa)
« on: February 01, 2023, 12:54:43 PM »
It would be interesting to see a Maurimi x Cintrange, and to see how that stacks-up in comparison to a "thomasville" in flavor.
The only reason I specified "Meiwa" is because it is so sweet and could be an interesting combination with a citrange.

I think meiwa can have polyembryonic seeds, so wouldn't that mean that crossing is possible?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: 24 hours of light
« on: January 31, 2023, 03:42:04 PM »
Could try green bulbs.
Plants do not utilize the green portion of the visible light spectrum as much as it does on the red or blue/violet end.
So theoretically, a green bulb would disturb the plant less than a white, red, or blu/violet bulb would.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Texas Thomasville Citrangequat
« on: January 31, 2023, 11:32:15 AM »
I'm not that far south in Texas, but I have been to his citrus events before.
He is a great guy.
Back before Texas really clamped down on county based restrictions a few years back, he brought a cultivar to me(er I met him halfway) on his way to North Texas.
My understanding is that he is no longer able to sell outside of his county for the time being. I could be wrong, but I think that is the case....
But I went ahead and sent him an email. If he doesn't have one, maybe someone else does that he knows..perhapse outside the quarantine restricted counties.
Anyway, John is a cool guy.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrangequat(but Meiwa)
« on: January 31, 2023, 10:56:47 AM »
From my understanding Morton is mostly seedless unless pollinated so forming seeds is a good indicator that it was atleast pollinated. I don't have a trained eye to see seed differences like that but that is a thing others on the forum have demonstrated. I would have to grow the seeds and select for characteristics of kumquat (leaf shape, size, color, etc)

Nagami produces hybrids more readily than Meiwa (when used as a mother). Meiwa is something like 99% nucellar don't quote me on that. It would be a good idea to use meiwa as a pollen parent given that the fruit is sweeter! If my Morton citrange blooms this spring I'm going to try just that. Also thinking of using taitri but that has not bloomed for me yet.

Well I suppose that answers my question on why Nagami was originally selected.
But yes, I would be very interested to see if you could get a Morton X Meiwa citrangequat cross.
Also how would you know? Would it be apparent from the seed formation differing from the normal morton shape/size in the selectively pollinated fruit, or would you only know once the seed sprouts revealing it to be dicot in nature?

Groovy! Well I look forward to seeing if your's flowers and are able to make a cross.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrangequat(but Meiwa)
« on: January 30, 2023, 12:52:13 PM »
Nagami produces hybrids more readily than Meiwa (when used as a mother). Meiwa is something like 99% nucellar don't quote me on that. It would be a good idea to use meiwa as a pollen parent given that the fruit is sweeter! If my Morton citrange blooms this spring I'm going to try just that. Also thinking of using taitri but that has not bloomed for me yet.

Well I suppose that answers my question on why Nagami was originally selected.
But yes, I would be very interested to see if you could get a Morton X Meiwa citrangequat cross.
Also how would you know? Would it be apparent from the seed formation differing from the normal morton shape/size in the selectively pollinated fruit, or would you only know once the seed sprouts revealing it to be dicot in nature?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Citrangequat(but Meiwa)
« on: January 30, 2023, 08:43:54 AM »
I wonder why, when citrus horticulturists were crossing citranges with kumquats, they always use nagami.
For instance "Thomasville"  and "Telfair" citrangequats are both crises of Nagami kumquat and Willitis citrange.
Sinton citrangequat is a cross of a Rusk citrange and a nagami kumquat.
Where are the meiwa crosses though? Doe anyone know if Swingle ever tried those crosses and it just didn't work out, or was the meiwa not available at that time?

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Texas Thomasville Citrangequat
« on: January 28, 2023, 08:16:21 PM »
Hello.
I'm looking to acquire a Thomasville Citrangequat in Texas. If you have one or know where I could get one, please let me know.
Thanks.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Texas Ichang Lemon
« on: May 06, 2020, 04:48:17 PM »
I am desperately seeking an Ichang Lemon specimen in Texas!

Does anyone have one that is willing to offer a cuttings or budwood? I would be willing to pay for it of course!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Texas Keraji Mandarin
« on: November 04, 2019, 10:50:43 PM »
Decent sweet flavor, but full of seeds.

I finally found a man in Texas with Keraji. He uses it as rootstock now. He said he didnít like the fruit at all but is willing to give me Budwood come spring, if I still want it.

As stated, I have a Changsha. I havenít had its fruits yet. If the fruit is terrible at least Iíll have a vigorous rootstock that is hardy for perhaps an arctic frost, orange frost, Ichang lemon. Iím not sure if the ďhoneyĒ Changsha could be grafted onto a regular Changsha, or that new seedless Changsha variety, which is supposed to only have 1-2 seeds per fruit and sweeter.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Texas Keraji Mandarin
« on: November 02, 2019, 03:38:58 PM »
Decent sweet flavor, but full of seeds.

How would you compare the flavor to a Changsha? I already have a Changsha so if the flavor is that close, then I suppose there wouldn’t be a point in acquiring a Keraji.
Seeds don’t bother me as I usually juice anyhow.
I also have a “Frost” Owari for eating.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Texas Keraji Mandarin
« on: November 02, 2019, 03:15:44 PM »
Keraji taste is mandarin-like, resembling satsuma but with something else, not particularly lemony.

Really? Huh. I was reading it had a lemony flavor. Oh well. Is it sweet? Is the ďsomething elseĒ flavor good or bad?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Texas Keraji Mandarin
« on: November 01, 2019, 05:43:57 PM »
Thank you so much

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Texas Keraji Mandarin
« on: October 30, 2019, 11:22:51 AM »
The reason I am looking for a Keraji is because it is said to taste somewhat like lemonade.

What I really want is a lemon tree, and whilst we can grow lemon here they are certainly not as hardy as my Changsha mandarin. Anyway, I had read somewhere that the Keraji can survive similar conditions as the Changsha, and if it really has lemony notes in the taste profile, then I would be thrilled to acquire one.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Texas Keraji Mandarin
« on: October 29, 2019, 08:32:14 PM »
Here is a guy on Etsy that sales it
https://www.etsy.com/listing/672238361/keraji-mandarin-fruit-citrus-tree

I saw that, but they donít ship to Texas. Thatís been my problem.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Texas Keraji Mandarin
« on: October 29, 2019, 06:34:16 PM »
Anyone in Texas growing a Keraji Mandarin? I would love to have a specimen.

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