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Your jabos are not happy with your soil.

Overtime your potting mix becomes compost which in time creates anaerobic conditions to your jabo roots.

I suggest changing your soil to gary top pot or gary acid mix. Those soils wont create anaerobic condition.

I've always been interested in their claim that it's permanent. Their acid loving mix is just pumice and peat.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with my Red Jaboticaba?
« on: February 25, 2024, 10:10:15 PM »
we had couple nights in high 40°F.   blue pot is 1 gallon and yellow is 2 gallon pot..  are they still too big for them? 

I my opinion, for the smaller ones, 100% too big of a pot for SoCal. For the larger one, you may have been ok if it was during the summer and the plant was actively growing. That looks like  it should be in a one gallon container. I've killed lots of those seedlings when I treated them like other plants.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with my Red Jaboticaba?
« on: February 25, 2024, 01:54:24 PM »
Couple of noticable issues. They are in too large of a pot for their size which is probably causing anaerobic conditions. Turning red like what your plants are showing is similar to cold temps negatively effecting the plants.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need Help to ID This Cherimoya again
« on: February 09, 2024, 03:39:25 AM »
Based on the description, I think Eggo is correct. I have a Booth and it fits all the same description except fruit. BUT, when I bought the tree at Clausen nursery 5-6 years ago, they showed my one of their large in ground trees that had huge fruit like your pictures. That's why I bought it!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Problem with 'Sabará' . . . .
« on: January 16, 2024, 09:20:51 PM »
Watering daily, even now in winter.

Wow, must be warmer down there than SB. I haven't had to water my jabos for weeks.

This makes me feel better. I was actually thinking about watering them tomorrow, which would be the first time since the new year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Exotica Nursery Closing Down?!
« on: January 08, 2024, 09:33:04 PM »
Where did you see that news? That's a bummer, like you they were one of the first tropical nurseries I had visited.  If it's the end, I may have to take one last visit.

Yeah me too. It was posted on CRFG, San Diego Chapter FB group.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Exotica Nursery Closing Down?!
« on: January 08, 2024, 07:28:54 PM »
Just saw online that Exotica in Vista is shutting down. Supposedly he was renting and only given 2 months notice to vacate the land. Hope there is a positive outcome! One of the first nurseries I went to when I started growing tropicals.

Citrus General Discussion / My Cara Cara vs. Tarocco #7
« on: January 04, 2024, 02:06:32 AM »
Because of the recent rain and wind down here, I've been dealing with splitting and dropping of early citrus fruit. This was my first year allowing the Tarocco grafts to hold a few fruit. There were not a lot of fruit on those grafts, so I picked most of the Tarocco's so the rest of them wouldn't fall or split.

This tree has four varieties, with three having pink/red pigment. The main variety is Cara Cara on C-35 rootstock. Unfortunately, my other blood orange grafts, sanguinello, did not hold fruit to maturity this year, do we couldn't taste it side by side.

I am bummed that there was only a tiny bit of pink/red pigmentation in the  Tarocco flesh(although Kaz @sc4001992 said this would be the case in another thread). No cocktail garnish for me!

For now, I still like Cara Cara the best. Tarocco #7 was ok, just nothing to brag about. We'll see if Tarocco gets sweeter next year or maybe a couple will hold on longer in this year.

Tarocco #7 on left, Cara Cara on right:

Germinating seeds on top of the fridge has always worked for me when it's cold. I have some cherimoya seeds germinating now so I can graft a few over summer to give to a few friends who expressed interest.

We built my wife an office outside. I added a large skylight to brighter up her office. I swore to her it was not to temporarily grow sensitive seedlings in the winter. Now she has a nice climate controlled room with trendy white walls with plenty of light. I don't think she'll mind a few symbiotic friends over winter😅.   Just a few imbe and jabo stowaways.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Espaliered pomegranate does not bloom
« on: December 01, 2023, 02:10:46 PM »
Yes, I agree with what Kevin said above. Sun is very important for poms. Chill factor is equally important. I don't know much about your location and zone, but it could be too warm as well. Flowers grow on second year growth.

Heavily compost and mulch that tree and see what happens.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Espaliered pomegranate does not bloom
« on: November 30, 2023, 03:39:18 PM »
Nice espelier! Do you have more information on your tree? How old is it? Was it ground directly from seed, graft, air layer? Did it bloom a couple years ago before he started training it as an espalier?

I have not heard that espalier fruit trees won't produce fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: November 30, 2023, 03:30:50 PM »
The good thing about megalanthus, at least here, is that it's ready in spring when the rest of them are still in vegetative mode. Flavor-wise, as with everything else, it depends on personal preference. megalanthus is my wife's favorite, it tastes like a big white grape. For me, a good CC or PG is hard to beat. S8 is very good too but this year some of them had like a dish soap aftertaste (also present and more marked in Pink Panther) which was kind of weird, don't know if it had to be with the fertilizing regime or what happened, previous years S8 was the best for most of us.

Over the years, some of our S8 have developed what you call "dish soap aftertaste". I consider it a very floral taste. Maybe in the last 5 years I started taking mental notes on it. I have a perceived correlation to the flowers that were pollinated more. It was more pronounced in the ones when I used to pollinate by hand. But since I no longer do that, that taste has become more subtle. I actually really enjoy that flavor profile because it is unique. But on nice warm sunny days when there are tons of bees in the flowers, I think excess pollen really fertilizes the fruit and makes the flavor more pronounced. The fruit are typically larger as well.

That is just a hypothesis. Maybe this spring I'll try to label some and take pictures to see if there's a lot more seeds in the ones that have that flavor. I ruled out the length of time the fruit was on the vine but we'll see.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I need ID on this jaboticaba
« on: November 06, 2023, 11:26:18 AM »
Everyone that posted a picture of their jabo looks the same, which is different than yours. Here is mine:

Yours looks more like the typical Sabara. At least, that is exactly how mine looks. But, I'm sure your buddy would have thought that too.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: October 27, 2023, 01:26:31 PM »
Funny thing is somehow I stumbled across his videos a couple years ago and I've watched so many even though we can't dry farm here. I find it funny how he calls out his neighbors for spraying glyphosate near his property. Seems he still checks the website :D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: October 10, 2023, 12:09:51 PM »
It’s about 4’ tall and I just up potted it to a 25gal earlier this year. I bought it as a seedling from 9waters on Etsy probably in 2017 or 2018. I haven’t done that much pruning, just removied lower crossing branches and let it do it’s thing.

Thank you! Very stocky!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: October 07, 2023, 11:22:56 AM »
Feasting on red hybrid today

Really like the structure on this tree. How large is it? Do you have a pic of the full tree?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Painter cherilata in San Diego
« on: October 07, 2023, 12:32:02 AM »
  I also want to nominate one of my grafts for the “graft of the year award”.  I call it the peephole graft method. 

Can you do a writeup😁😁

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PhotoGreen-S for Jaboticaba
« on: October 04, 2023, 03:24:19 PM »
Southern AG nutritional spray is what I use as well. I have only used it once on my small jabos. Make sure to really dilute it if you use it. I use it on my other plants once a year right at spring.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pumice, lava rock , or both ?
« on: October 03, 2023, 02:26:19 PM »
Use both pumice and perilite. No need for lava rock.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PhotoGreen-S for Jaboticaba
« on: October 03, 2023, 02:25:22 PM »
Did you hear about this after watching Harvey's video on his jaboticaba trees? That's where I heard about it. It's just a sulfur, manganese, iron spray. You could just get by with chelated iron and micronutrient spray if you needed.

I'd be more interested in what the graft union looks like under the wrap. Is it fully healed? Cherimoya grafts are known to shrink and fail even with a few leaf flushes. Definitely protect that union so it doesn't snap off and as mentioned cut those rootstock limbs.

i didnt know that about the failed grafts after a few flushes does that stand for all annonas or only cherimoyas from you experience?

I am not an annona expert but my experience is with cherimoya, atemoya, those hybrids, and illama. The graft union appears to completely separate and fail at the cambium layer more so than other grafts. Few years ago I was speaking with Brad about this. I used to have a much higher failure rate because I would remove the buddy tape too soon and within a couple weeks, The graphs would separate and fail. I'm not sure if it is related to heat or humidity, but now I give the grafts more time to heal.

I'd be more interested in what the graft union looks like under the wrap. Is it fully healed? Cherimoya grafts are known to shrink and fail even with a few leaf flushes. Definitely protect that union so it doesn't snap off and as mentioned cut those rootstock limbs.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parfianka Pomegranate now
« on: September 26, 2023, 04:32:45 PM »
Thanks John, does those late bloom ever overwinter and mature next year? Or is it just a waste and I should just remove the blooms?

They will not overwinter. The ones that made it pretty close (just a few leaves on the tree while it's going dormant)  ended up getting scratched off by rats since most of their food was gone in winter. I'm in 10a San Diego (on a hill though) and I had fruit hang until December.

If the season stays warm, they may ripen for you.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parfianka Pomegranate now
« on: September 26, 2023, 03:41:22 PM »
Your location is a bit different then mine. My parfiancas are still all green, but did send out additional flowers. I usually get a late push when the weather changes. Most never make it to full maturity before it goes dormant.

I have the other plants mentioned except for feijoa. They are a great fruit and plant is very ornamental. I'm sure there are better tasting varieties now, so I may need to research more.

I may bag one to two of the potted figs, but the inground ones are going away. Too much time for me to care for multiple bagged trees at this point in my life. I'm going to reassess citrus after winters harvest.

This was the only fig that has not had maggots in it. Coll de Dama Rimada. It was delicious and one I'll probably keep. Got it from a forum member last year and grows like a weed here.

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