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I wish my local grocery stores had such a great selection of interesting citrus. I've seen Murcott tangerines for sale before; they are sold under the name Honey Tangerine. But, I've never seen yuzus, kishu mandarins, satsumas, or any type of pomelo other than Chandler for sale. You're lucky you live near a good, specialty grocery.

Also, Murcott is not a mandarin. It is technically a type of tangor and a very old variety originally propagated from a chance seedling that sprouted in the 1910s in Florida.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: First time citrus (Beginner)
« on: November 22, 2022, 11:55:48 PM »
A normal potting mix works well. Miracle grow potting soil for instance. It's mostly peat and perlite but pre mixed. This would work well but I'd sprinkle a little sand in it if available. Like 5% sand or something. It doesn't need any special soil though prefers a little more drainage than average.

Miracle Gro used to be a very good potting mix. But, it has really declined in quality since 2020. Given the finicky nature of citrus roots, I would not advise planting citrus in Miracle Gro. The ones I've potted in it since 2020 have not grown and thrived like ones I potted pre-2020.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The "Cerrado Curse"
« on: November 17, 2022, 05:59:18 PM »
I have two Ziziphus joazeiro plants that I started from seed in the late spring/early summer of 2021. They made it through the winter of 2021 with flying colors. I resisted the urge to water them. Now, they are going into their second winter. I keep them in clay pots with a soil mixture that could generously be described as terrible, comprised of used potting soil, sand, slightly larger grit, and a small amount of poor quality yard dirt. They are still quite small, but they more than doubled in height over the summer after I up-potted them into larger clay pots. I certainly hope to be able to keep them alive long term. So far, I'm seeing success with this Cerrado species.

Thanks to the both of you for the positive feedback. I want people to be satisfied with their plants and try to do my best to make sure they are.

Brian has button quail in his greenhouse. I don't think I've seen him post any complaints about his quail. As Janet stated, quail are not destructive birds like chickens.

Unless I'm mistaken, fresh fruit from Hawaii cannot be shipped to the mainland United States due to a fruit fly quarantine. So, you would have to see what sells well in Hawaii or what people want there but currently can't get. You could also sell something that could be processed so that it can be shipped to the US. You would probably have to partner with or become a supplier to a company already in that field. Macadamia nuts might fall into that category, if the major processors buy from independent growers. Hawaii's Department of Agriculture would be the agency to advise you about that.


I will add Kadsura to Jaboticaba45's list. Even just a couple of years ago, when I started growing it, there was almost nothing online about it. Now, there is an effort to push it as a new specialty fruit.

I was reading about kadsura and daguetia recently and they sounds interesting but it looks like from the pictures there is hardly any flesh?  Have you tried it?

And has anybody actually tried yangmei fruit?
Kadsura has very little flesh to seed ratio. I was able to read another collectors take on the fruits and he said it was just more ornamental the edible. But again, I and the whole community would like to wait more until the jury is out. Especially since it was only one person.
Seems cool that I could just plant them outside here. Even if it is more ornamental.

several people have had yangmei fruit. And it seems to be decent.
I talked with someone who had some but they said it was good, but had some bitterness? Or something like that I forgot.
It has to be a good fruit given that China's production acreage is triple our apple production. The hype this fruit has recieved the last few years is amazing.

No, my plants have not fruited, yet. But, it is a fruit I am very excited about. All the writings and video reviews I've read about Kadsura heterclita and Kadsura coccinea indicate that they are very delicious. Jared, the Weird Explorer, likened it to lavender mixed with citrus, and his was overripe and turning brown. Another reviewer described it as a mixture of lychee and mangosteen; his was not overripe. The flesh-to-seed ratio does seem to vary, but it looks better than many jaboticaba varieties I've seen going for big money on eBay. It may never become a commercially successful fruit, but it looks like it might be a winner for home growers.

The person whose review you read may have been talking about Kadsura japonica, which, while the fruit is edible, is a more commonly used as an ornamental plant and has been planted in the US since at least the 1940s (there are examples planted by E. A. McIlhenny at Jungle Gardens on Avery Island, Louisiana that have been there since before 1945). Kadsura heterclita and Kadsura coccinea are grown for their fruit in their native Southeast Asia and are apparently very recent introductions to the US.

My plants came in the mail today :) they were a week late and I was worried they were confiscated but they arrived in California safe and sound thanks to the great packaging. Thank you!

I'm sorry they took so long to arrive. I try my best to pack them to withstand what the US Postal Service dishes out, and I'm glad that this time, thankfully, they made it through their "careful" handling with no damage. Thank you for your purchase.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Salak first flowers, palm city FL
« on: November 10, 2022, 03:38:50 PM »
This topic should be moved to the Tropical Fruit Discussion section, instead of being in the Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade section.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to take plants in?
« on: November 10, 2022, 12:46:17 PM »
All your young plants should be brought in. I err on the side of caution with all of my plants. Even my citrus are not allowed to experience weather below 40F. I want my plants to grow, mature, and fruit as quickly as possible. Even if temperatures in the 30s would not kill a plant, it could cause it to go dormant. Whereas, my jaboticabas have fresh new growth flushing out even after I've moved them inside for the winter.

Good topic!  I hope to learn from this one.  I think your namesake fruit should be grown more in South Florida, as should white sapote, persimmon, and atemoya, but those are considered pretty common.

Of course, what is considered common is relative. The fruits you mentioned are known to everyone on the Forum but, even in areas where they can be grown, are probably unknown to 99% of the public.

I will add Kadsura to Jaboticaba45's list. Even just a couple of years ago, when I started growing it, there was almost nothing online about it. Now, there is an effort to push it as a new specialty fruit.

I will be listing these on eBay very soon. So, last chance to pick these plants up without having to compete with eBay buyers.

Excellent taste test. It's good to get taste tests for some of these very rare fruits. You're doing what Jared, the Weird Explorer on YouTube, should be doing: taste tests of rare fruit. Instead, he is making ketchup out of bananas and cooking chayotes (again).

That Annona reticulata sounds like something I might have to add to my collection, at least if I can find the space to grow it.

There are 316012 Posts in 23983 Topics spread over 800 pages in the Tropical Fruit Discussion section. There are 74240 Posts in 11049 Topics spread over 369 pages in the Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade section. There is robust activity in both of the main sections of The Tropical Fruit Forum, though a great deal more in the Discussion section.

So, to answer your question, "Is this just a marketplace or are we a plant and information sharing club?" The answer is both. And I, for one, feel no need to change that.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: experimenting with clay soil in containers
« on: November 06, 2022, 01:37:25 AM »
You'll never find out if you don't try. That's what experimenting is all about. I hope your trees thrive in their new medium. Your posts on growing citrus in shallow containers has certainly given me ideas for future experimenting of my own.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: BidnGrow
« on: November 04, 2022, 09:03:56 PM »
It looks like it's no longer online. FigBid is still active. Both sites were owned and operated by the same person/people. BidNGrow was an offshoot of FigBid. I guess it's just been merged back into FigBid.

I liked BidNGrow, in theory. But, I did a few listings on the site with no sales and generally found other sellers' inventory fairly limited. I wish it had succeeded as an alternative to eBay.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Fruit Forum Grower Database
« on: October 30, 2022, 01:23:04 AM »
Seems like it will be a useful database. I submitted an entry. I will have to use your fruit entry template if I want to do more; I have too many plants to enter them one at a time. I would want to find out my soil and water pH before I did that, though. Those were just about the only things I left blank. I could assume that rainwater is a neutral 7.0, but sometimes I run out of stored rainwater and have to use very hard municipal water. My soil mixtures vary from genus to genus, so what my Annonas are potted in is different from what my Citrus are potted in and so on and so forth.

Also, if a plant is unaffected by pests, should that entry be left blank? With the exception of my citrus, which are magnets for spider mites, everything else I grow is basically pest-free but for the occasional caterpillar, and I don't really consider caterpillars pests. I consider squirrels and chipmunks pests, but right now, mostly what they do to my container plants is dig in them and mess up their roots.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Disfigured new growth on garcinias
« on: October 30, 2022, 12:41:55 AM »
I think it is a nutrient issue. I haven't figured out exactly what nutrient or nutrients are lacking, but I have similar growth on my lemon drop mangosteen. Since growth like that has occurred in the middle of my Southeastern summer, with its surplus of humidity and heat, I highly doubt it is an environmental issue. Like hammer524, my imbe is unaffected. But, my achachairu also shows no signs of deformed growth. My seashore mangosteens' new growth is lighter in color than their earlier growth, but the leaves are not deformed in shape.

Griffith Review, an Australian journal, has an article about blueberry breeding and production in Australia in their latest issue, Number 78. The article is titled "Big Blueberry" and is by Nicole Hasham. The parts I found very interesting were about Ridley Bell of Mountain Blue Orchards and his decades-long breeding program for creating improved blueberries. Hopefully, someday (probably once his patent expires), his Eureka variety will be available for home growers in the US.

Here is the link:

My mom has had one of these for about forty years. I don't remember it ever blooming, and I certainly don't remember it ever fruiting. It just grows ever larger. Her night-blooming cereus (Epiphyllum oxypetalum) is similarly old and large, but at least it flowers. There's just nothing to cross-pollinate it with to make it fruit.

I just assumed it was a different variety. After all, Psidium guajava has an wide variation in fruit characteristics from plant to plant. No reason to think that friedrichsthalianum wouldn't also have some variation. The fact that Marco, who seems to really know his plants, says that it is just another variety leads me towards that conclusion. I like Jared's videos because of his globe trotting fruit searches and his super tasting ability, but that man doesn't know jack about plants.

I had mixed results with Farwellfruitfarm. I do not understand why he does not store his jaboticaba seeds in moist vermiculite like every other seller I've bought from. I wouldn't say don't buy any seeds from him (whenever he restocks his site with new seeds), but I had a lower germination rate from his jaboticaba seeds than from ones I bought here on the Forum from achetadomestica, Vernmented, and others.

So, add Vernmented to the list of good seed sellers. I've purchased rumberry (Myrciaria floribunda) seeds from Tang Tonic in the past. If you want to go through the aggravation of trying to germinate those, you will want to get them from him. I've never seen abimael777 offer seeds for sale, but he offers some very nice seedling plants at affordable prices.

Updated. Added a Eugenia repanda to the sale list.

I'd like the surinam cherry and dragonfruit.

I just sent you a PM.

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