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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Fruit Quality vs. Cold Hardiness
« on: February 21, 2025, 10:04:33 AM »
Great job. It's very nice to see all the ratings along with hardiness. I also have found after trying some Japanese hardy citrus that Thomasville holds its own with Sudachi, Yuzu, etc. It's just not as hyped

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What happened to "Sumo" (Dekopon) in the US?
« on: February 17, 2025, 10:07:45 AM »
The Superna seems to be of excellent flavor  in California and Florida, but only bears OK in Cali. No-one can seem to understand why it refuses to bear in the SouthEast.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Planting 5 acres of Citrus in Georgia
« on: February 16, 2025, 05:50:57 PM »
There's so much Citrus in Georgia now. Most orchards are Owari, Brown's Select, and the UGA Sweet frost.
The UGA Navel and Grapefruit are also grown extensively now, but any early Navel should do.

Sugar Belle and Tango also seem to be doing OK nowadays.

South Georgia is basically North Florida of 10 years ago.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Too early to graft citrus???
« on: February 09, 2025, 11:00:09 AM »
Quote from: edweather on February 08, 2025, 03:20:30 PM
The weather here in south GA has really turned warm. 70s and 80s and 50s at night. My citrus trees are starting to bud. Just saw some tiny new growth this am. Is it too early to graft? I have a rootstock that I want to graft on to with a scion from a tree I have
 Should I graft now? There is no cold air in sight on the long range weather models.
I'm in GA as well. With these temps, it's warm enough to graft. The temp should be BETWEEN 70 and 85. Over 85 it gets really hard to stop the scion from dehydrating and burning up. Since we have a few days up coming where the temperature will drop to the low 30s, I will wait till March but if you're in 9a South Georgia, you're probably fine. I'm in 8a/8b...

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sugarbelle Tangelo
« on: February 01, 2025, 04:40:43 PM »
Quote from: Galatians522 on February 01, 2025, 01:44:47 PM
I guess we came away with different perceptions from the same information. I didn't view that level of canopy loss as an indication of remarkable hardiness.


Well, in comparison with gold nugget or a navel which would have died outright, it's hardy. Compared to Satsuma, it's not very.

So in comparisonwith non satsumas that's pretty good .depends on the comparison..

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sugarbelle Tangelo
« on: February 01, 2025, 11:11:50 AM »
https://citrusindustry.net/2023/10/20/sugar-belle-is-cold-hardiest-among-non-satsumas/

A survey by 15 Extension agents showed Sugar Belle mandarin to be the most cold-hardy non-satsuma citrus variety following a major freeze in Georgia in December 2022. Sugar Belle was followed in order of cold hardiness by Tango, navel oranges, Kishu and grapefruit. Shiranui was the least cold hardy non-satsuma variety.

Sugar Belle
Freeze cracks on Tango
University of Georgia Extension agent Jake Price reported the survey results.

Observations of satsumas a few months after the freeze clearly showed they were the cold hardiest variety, so the focus was on non-satsuma varieties. The agents participating in the survey rated non-satsumas planted in 2020 and before. Newly planted trees are much more susceptible to freezes, so trees that have survived at least two winters were chosen for the survey since they would be well established.

TREE RATINGS
Agents estimated the percentage of canopy loss in each tree. They then gave an overall visual assessment of each tree from 0 to 5 with 0 being dead and five having no visible freeze damage. Ratings from all the agents were combined and averaged to get the results.

Sugar Belle
The Sugar Belle mandarin had the lowest percentage of canopy loss (22%) and the highest visual assessment (3.3), indicating this variety tolerated the freezes the best.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sugarbelle Tangelo
« on: February 01, 2025, 11:09:21 AM »
It actually survived the uga trials. It is the most cold hardy non mandarin that they tried. It does show a lot of superficial cold damage but seems to have a high enough growth rate that it normally recovers come spring.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Yuzu juice volume variability?
« on: January 28, 2025, 09:03:50 PM »
So Mulberry0126, did you grow 1 from seed or did you get budwood from different sources? Maybe the harvest date plays a role? Think I'll bite the bullet and fially graft it on. Guess no luck that the seedless yuzu will appear stateside..

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Yuzu juice volume variability?
« on: January 27, 2025, 03:09:09 PM »
I'm confused on this. Some members here show pictures with a fruit full of seeds. But I've seen videos from Japan or the Bob Duncan video where there is mu ch more pulp, but still many seeds. Is the juice volume based on the rainfall in the area, or maybe the rootstock? Bob Duncan said his yuzu and sudachi were on flying dragon. I know fd increases sugars in the fruit usually. Anyone have any ideas?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Pineapple guava trees
« on: December 21, 2024, 02:51:11 PM »
Planting Justice, 1 green world, and restoring eden all have multiple named pineapple guavas for sale.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sugarbelle fruit review?
« on: December 21, 2024, 01:27:12 PM »
Quote from: a_Vivaldi on December 17, 2024, 03:38:00 PM
I've been having a lot of Sugarbelle recently after ordering a box of them.

Pros:
Very pretty
Excellent flavor, like minneola
Fairly easy to peel, especially at the top
Stores well

Cons:
Fairly sour, especially early on
A bit seedy
The bottoms were sometimes dried out or poorly developed, I'm guessing the trees are pretty young, overcropped a bit, and we had some pretty bad droughts this year to boot, which all contribute to issues like that. Still, though, Owari from the same source are nice and juicy.

Overall, I really like them. A few things could be better, especially sweetness, but the flavor is just tops.

I ordered a box and have the same experience. Very tart and sweet flavor. At first, the tart and sour was really harsh, but either the acid level dropped as I worked through the box, OR the flavor grew on me. Fruit goes from no seeds to 8 or more in a fruit seemingly at random. It tastes more like an old school orange rather than a satsuma because of the sweet tart flavor. I did make some jelly with it that was excellent though due to the tartness. I don't think I'll get a tree because of the seeds, but I probably will order some more next year.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan in CA
« on: November 12, 2024, 08:19:02 PM »
The only citrus that I also have been unable to graft (multiple times) are Miho and Xie shan. Must be rootstock incompatibility. I have tried both on trifoliate and on citrangequat..so strange..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Experience with new Feijoa cultivars in southeastern USA?
« on: October 16, 2024, 07:12:26 PM »
They do ok with a few differences. If you go to the growingfruit website, we have a hundreds long post thread about feijoa in the Southeast. More than I can post over here...

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Finding cold hardy citrus in Texas
« on: August 28, 2024, 06:30:37 PM »
If Talbot's is out of citrumelo or trifoliate, try calling this place and see if they will sell you rootstock since they claim to propagate their own trees.

https://uscitrusnursery.com/

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Finding cold hardy citrus in Texas
« on: August 28, 2024, 06:05:59 PM »
Ok, so here is what I would do so as not to run afoul of the law..

Talbott's nursery is in Texas. Go order about 3 or 4  Swingle or whatever citrumelos  from them:

https://www.talbottnurseryandpoultry.com/Citrus-trees-s/1895.htm

Then go to TAMU and get yourself some budwood from them:

https://www.tamuk.edu/agriculture/institutes-and-other-units/citr/budwood.html

Keep 1 citrumelo for seed and sour orange use.
Graft yourself a Nippon orangequat on another.
On the last one throw on a Yuzu or Sudachi or something else you want.

TAMU don't appear to have citrangequats, but those are good to get started with...

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Finding cold hardy citrus in Texas
« on: August 28, 2024, 06:54:21 AM »
If you can receive seed, then you can buy or trade with other members of this board. Otherwise, it'll be difficult. There were other Dallas residents on the older citrus boards and the subtropical palm board, but haven't seen them since the migration.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Good source for Yuzuquat?
« on: August 03, 2024, 11:05:18 AM »
Yes. That plant always seemed to bloom late for me as well. Hopefully you can taste some fruit and give a review. The Southeast warmth never agreed with it when I had it..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bananas.org dead?
« on: July 19, 2024, 08:22:00 AM »
Quote from: brian on July 16, 2024, 09:50:53 AM
I didn't know Facebook groups were becoming barren.  I have never had Facebook and over time I have noticed that much of the users on the Citrus section have disappeared, I assumed it was to Facebook.  I came here from the old citrus growers forum migration so it is a bit sad to see.

Maybe they are going to Reddit subforums?

The people from the old forum (which i was a member of) split between here and the citrus growers2 board because we didn't have an alternative set up. Facebook doesn't have any good citrus info with the exception of Tom Mclendon who is active. But you can tell that the people responding to his posts don't know that much. I think now it's quiet because we're in between grafting season and harvest season for everyone except the FL and California growers..So not much happening other than watching the trees grow..

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: California New Permanent Water Restrictions
« on: July 11, 2024, 08:09:57 PM »
Quote from: countryboy1981 on July 10, 2024, 06:57:43 AM
Quote from: NateTheGreat on July 09, 2024, 10:44:58 PM
Quote from: Galatians522 on July 09, 2024, 09:39:42 PM
We don't need all cattle or no cattle. Those are extremes.
Does Antarctica need cattle? Does the Amazon? Do they need to cover every inch of this planet? Why is not wanting non-native herbivores an extreme position?

Humans and their livestock represent 96% of all mammals on earth in terms of biomass, whereas all wild mammals represent only 4% https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Distribution-of-earths-mammals.png



The point is there needs to be more animals on the land, especially ruminents and a lot less crops.  The fields of crops without animals on the land are destroying the environment.


West Coast rainfall patterns are different from those of us on the East Coast. California, Arizona, Texas need much more acreage per cow because they don't get the 50+ inches of rainfall that East Coasters get. I think California is traditionally scrubland, not pasture. Europeans settled the west in an ahistoric wet period...

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Southern Frost navel orange
« on: April 05, 2024, 09:36:16 PM »
Quote from: hardyvermont on April 01, 2024, 10:41:01 PM
Does anyone know more about this plant's background? 
https://citrusindustry.net/2021/12/29/georgia-citrus-varieties-and-history/

UGA is very cagey about the plant. They have patents for the lemon and tangerine, but none for the grapefruit or orange.
That seems to imply that for both of them, they may be an out of patent variety that they just registered the name for..

Maybe a Hamlin, Fukumoto or Navelina since it ripens before December.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Switching from juvenile to adult
« on: January 26, 2024, 09:23:09 PM »
Quote from: kumin on October 10, 2022, 04:54:22 PM
Genetics are an important factor. Limes and kumquats are reported to be precocious. Grapefruit and Sweet Orange take longer,with Mandarins being intermediate. Citrumelos, despite being Grapefruit hybrids can be precocious. By virtue of close planting within a cold frame, my plants responded by quickly growing into tall plants. This seemed to promote early flowering, but only affected some of the seedlings.
A height of 3 meters seems to trigger a percentage of the trees to flower. It's also possible that having the tree tops hit the polyethylene film ceiling, then deflecting to the side accelerated the transition to maturity. The peak of the ceiling is 3.2m in height.

This is similar to the research in Florida to speed up flowering. I think theyve gotten fruit on 2 year old seedlings by pruning side branches, growing the plant as a spindle, then bending the trunk at  a specific height to induce flowering..

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Uga Changsha fruit already in stores...
« on: December 10, 2023, 06:34:21 PM »
Quote from: Florian on December 10, 2023, 02:21:23 PM
Are these really Sweet Frost? In the top left it says "Satsuma" or is that another bag?

Most bagged citrus just carry the trade name. But Changsha looks, smells, and tastes different from Owari or any other mainstream varieties. The peel in particular has a very distinctive smell. I'm as sure as I can be. Just like you can tell a Minneola or Shiranui from a normal satsuma...

I couldn't tell Owari apart from Brown's select or Armstrong, but Changsha is something different...

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Uga Changsha fruit already in stores...
« on: December 10, 2023, 06:30:30 PM »
Quote from: Ilya11 on December 10, 2023, 04:02:50 AM
Is it completely seedless?

They are mostly seedless. Mine is next to my Meyer lemon so ends up with 5 or 6 seeds per fruit. These had 0-3 so they must be isolated from pollinators I guess..

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Citrus General Discussion / Uga Changsha fruit already in stores...
« on: December 07, 2023, 06:05:45 PM »
So I got these mandarins in Publix because my trees are still recovering from last year. When I unloaded the bag, I did think the Citrus looked familiar. Once I tasted them, I said it tastes like my Changsha. I smelled the peel, and yes, I'm positive. I didn't realize that the commercial growers had already hit production with these. They have a very good flavor but the texture may be off putting to the inexperienced. Don't ever say anymore that Changsha is not commercial quality. Lol..






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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Southeastern Citrus Expo
« on: November 26, 2023, 10:33:08 AM »
Thank you sir! I'm so happy that recordings of the presentations are now being made. I have been 2 of these, and I was always annoyed when I missed one because I was late or speaking to other attendees...

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