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Re: i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2016, 03:24:36 PM »
To the OP: Sorry, I felt a need to reply to that because it irritated me as a stereotype I see posted here over and over again. But to stay on topic, I posted a thread about this just over a month ago. You might like to read it, I think it had a lot of funny and also heartfelt responses:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=20072.0
I was told there was another similar thread a while ago, and you can read that thread from the post inside the thread above which references it and gives the link. I didn't finish reading it all yet, but just from the ones I read, it seems like more good reading.

On a serious note, if you think you have an actual problem that is causing financial and other issues in your life, you might want to see out a counselor or addiction specialist. This is pretty similar to problems with gambling (who really knows if these plants will produce a lot of good fruit, anyway?), and to other addictions, not to mention sometimes OCD and obsessiveness, depending on the person. If you're really going broke, or having emotional problems over the fruit, you're also at some point going to have to stop visiting this forum - there is no doubt that the vast majority of people buy a hell of a lot more fruit plants after reading here than they did before, because you are always being tempted with something new every day. For most people, I think this is just part of the fun and references to obsession are made in jest. But at a certain point, it stops being funny for a few people and becomes a real problem they can't seem to stop from taking over their lives, to the point that it causes serious financial and social problems. So in case you are being serious in this thread that you're concerned, you might need to do something about it. One can easily spend thousands of dollars on tropical fruit (or hundreds of thousands, if like some of us you move to make growing it easier), and that's all good except when you don't HAVE thousands to spend. People get hung up on all kinds of things, and tropical fruit is not really the weirdest of addictions to have. It feels so rewarding - up until it's not.

So for most of us, I think creating boundaries and sticking to them no matter what is what works. Only spend what you have in cash. Don't go over your monthly fruit budget. Don't buy more things if you can't take care of the ones you have already. I have also found that sticking to growing seeds makes the collateral damage a lot less, if things don't work out. It's still challenging, and you can get a lot of rare stuff, but if they die you're not out nearly as much money. So I do seeds for plants I care less about, and invest the money in full-size plants only for my few favorites that I really "need" fruit from right away. Delayed gratification is an important concept to learn when growing fruit - you have to wait for the harvest, you can't buy the work away. Stave off the desire to have fresh fruit immediately by growing a few plants that fruit in their first year, while you tend to the others that will need time to grow. That way at least every year, you'll get SOMETHING, even if it's a small something. It makes it easier to spend less on full-size plants, and on space to put them all. Vertical gardens also help a lot with the space thing, and with water consumption - but again, don't spend more than you have. Definitely consider focusing on plants that grow well in your area with minimal care, which cuts way down on cost and on time investment, so you can still have a life outside of fruit.

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Re: i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2016, 05:37:58 PM »
(Normally the fruit porn addicts are gentlemen :-).

Just because that's your perception doesn't make it true. I am female also, and I know plenty of other women who are very into tropical fruit, and plants in general. Many women are not that vocal on this site because they don't feel comfortable with the vibe among other posters. There are constant references here to "wives holding us back," "porn," and other things that come across as sexist and make women uncomfortable posting. Also, we all know that many threads here feature a lot of hostility, and ego trips. These types of things create an environment where many women lurk but don't post. That's why I get a lot of PMs from such women, who identify with me but say they don't want to post on actual threads.

If men genuinely want a lot more women to be into tropical fruit and to show that interest openly here, a good way to encourage that would be to stop using terms like "fruit porn," derogatory comments about wives, and all the ego-tripping that creates a sense of hierarchy where only inner circle members feel safe to post without being torn to shreds for having a differing opinion, experience, or way of expressing themselves. I say that, in case you're genuinely interested. But I think it's pretty clear that a few others besides yourself may be quite happy tending their male-only kingdom and making women and new members uncomfortable. I don't say this to be provocative, but just to be honest. Some people like their closed club where they perceive themselves to be the king, and don't want new people to come in and challenge that.

I am not afraid to post here. But I get irritated every time I read yet another comment about wives being against fruit acquisition. It's sexist, and stupid. If a particular individual's spouse doesn't share their passions in life, then they married the wrong person. That does not make all women on Earth against buying and planting fruit trees - it means you married a particular individual who does not share your hobbies. That says nothing about the rest of society, and everything about your life. 

"Only browse for fruit trees when you're wife is watching (put the puter in the living room). Give all of your credit cards to your wife and let her be the purchase police."
This was an extremely presumptive, and sexist thing to say. This is the internet. You don't know when someone posts here what their sex is. You don't know what their relationship status is. You don't know their religion, home country, financial practices, or first language. You don't know what their sexual orientation is. All you know is that they are an online poster who is into fruit. It is offensive to automatically assume that total strangers share the same sex, values, and experience that you do. I don't think you meant to be offensive, but people here could encourage a lot more diversity of posters if they would not assume so much about what brings others here to this forum.

So, I correct your statement. It is not true that most fruit addicts are men. That is merely your perception, probably in part because the way you communicate encourages only other men like yourself to feel comfortable sharing with you in your experiences. I would guess that many of you here don't realize this, that the way you speak can be seen as exclusionary and discourages others from feeling comfortable participating in online forums, and sometimes also from in-person clubs.
I think what you say is true. The original intention in the forum was to make it "family friendly". So that is even stronger than making it friendly for any sex, but also something children could read as well. Some of our members are pretty young. It's too bad people just blurt out the very first thing that comes into their mind. I think this is a problem generally now in our culture, as you can see from what is on TV and on the media.
The ratio of male to female members right now is 4.2 to 1. (You can see that in the forums stats.) I think there used to be more female members and more of them posting, but slowly they drop out probably for the reasons you state. It's us guys that loose out because women bring many perspectives to gardening and to farming that men don't usually see or notice.
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Re: i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2016, 05:50:39 PM »
LIP has a really valid point.I have been PMed by ladies on a couple of occasions where they express discomfort about a macho vibe and comments not appreciated by females.

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Re: i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2016, 09:45:36 PM »
Hi Living in Paradise,  (and any other women on the forum) I for one think it is absolutely AWESOME hearing women on this forum!  It makes me feel better that there is diversity here..  Like oscar said statistically there are more men on here than women (4x)  which makes it all the more impressive to hear about your experiences and collections.  Keep posting!   We are all fruit collectors and i'm sure there are just as many husbands as there are wives out there saying "honey do you really need any more fruit trees?"  haha   I think the reason some men make mention of it on here is not to belittle women or be sexist... it is because this is their safe place they can go where other like minded spouses understand their tropical fruit obsession. 
With 3 acres of prime real estate for growing tropicals... why not create my own garden of eden?? Work in progress

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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2016, 12:19:13 AM »
(Normally the fruit porn addicts are gentlemen :-).

Just because that's your perception doesn't make it true. I am female also, and I know plenty of other women who are very into tropical fruit, and plants in general. Many women are not that vocal on this site because they don't feel comfortable with the vibe among other posters. There are constant references here to "wives holding us back," "porn," and other things that come across as sexist and make women uncomfortable posting. Also, we all know that many threads here feature a lot of hostility, and ego trips. These types of things create an environment where many women lurk but don't post. That's why I get a lot of PMs from such women, who identify with me but say they don't want to post on actual threads.

If men genuinely want a lot more women to be into tropical fruit and to show that interest openly here, a good way to encourage that would be to stop using terms like "fruit porn," derogatory comments about wives, and all the ego-tripping that creates a sense of hierarchy where only inner circle members feel safe to post without being torn to shreds for having a differing opinion, experience, or way of expressing themselves. I say that, in case you're genuinely interested. But I think it's pretty clear that a few others besides yourself may be quite happy tending their male-only kingdom and making women and new members uncomfortable. I don't say this to be provocative, but just to be honest. Some people like their closed club where they perceive themselves to be the king, and don't want new people to come in and challenge that.

I am not afraid to post here. But I get irritated every time I read yet another comment about wives being against fruit acquisition. It's sexist, and stupid. If a particular individual's spouse doesn't share their passions in life, then they married the wrong person. That does not make all women on Earth against buying and planting fruit trees - it means you married a particular individual who does not share your hobbies. That says nothing about the rest of society, and everything about your life. 

"Only browse for fruit trees when you're wife is watching (put the puter in the living room). Give all of your credit cards to your wife and let her be the purchase police."
This was an extremely presumptive, and sexist thing to say. This is the internet. You don't know when someone posts here what their sex is. You don't know what their relationship status is. You don't know their religion, home country, financial practices, or first language. You don't know what their sexual orientation is. All you know is that they are an online poster who is into fruit. It is offensive to automatically assume that total strangers share the same sex, values, and experience that you do. I don't think you meant to be offensive, but people here could encourage a lot more diversity of posters if they would not assume so much about what brings others here to this forum.

So, I correct your statement. It is not true that most fruit addicts are men. That is merely your perception, probably in part because the way you communicate encourages only other men like yourself to feel comfortable sharing with you in your experiences. I would guess that many of you here don't realize this, that the way you speak can be seen as exclusionary and discourages others from feeling comfortable participating in online forums, and sometimes also from in-person clubs.

Amen.

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Re: i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2016, 02:47:11 AM »
Yes we can all relate.  Oscar shameless feeds my addiction..  every time i order plants from him i show up to pick them up and he's got 3-5 more trees i hadn't asked for.  He always says "i thought maybe you'd be interested in these too"  well.... duh.   of course i buy them every time.  he has learned my weaknesses.   he's a terrible person really ;)  jk oscar you're the man.  Soon my 3 acres will be full of fruiting trees and i'll have my own farmers market, or rare fruit tasting business, or garden of eden,  who knows!   But its a good addiction.    Just get some more land and it will feel more normal cause then you are just landscaping :)
HAHAHA, come back for more candy any time. The worst types of addicts are the ones that feed other's addictions. Watch out, i know all your weaknesses.  ;D
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Re: i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2016, 03:32:53 AM »
I spend to much money on my plants often the fact that it is a bit of a joke that my wife needs to police me on this is not sexist or derogatory and i didn't marry the wrong person.... She loves that i have a passion for growing but spouses help us make better decisions. It's the exact same with her and computer parts!

It is also not sexist to make an assumption about gender statistics based on perception as there was no comment about aptitude or ability. I say this as an ardent feminist.

I welcome having a forum more welcoming to woman but also really hope we don't get so overblown with what is pc that gets really lame, this isn't tumblr after all! Calling pictures fruit porn is in no way derogatory towards women it's common turn of phrase used by all manner of subcultures pictures.
Also it's  pretty sexist yourself to assume the fighting/ego tripping is a male caused thing I remember in off topic women who would fight and argue every bit as much as the guys!
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Re: i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2016, 09:34:22 AM »
i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees. I already have:
20+mango tree
10+ guava
15+ cherimoya,pandan
mangosteen
asian gooseberry,
june plum
ice cream bean tree
15+ banana
rose apple
logan
lychee seedling
soursop seedling

I just ordered 1 lychee grafted, 3 more mangos. 

And now, I'm going online looking for more things.  How do you control this addition?  I don't have any urges to buy new shoes,clothes,or jewlry like I do with tropical fruit trees.

I live in San Jose  (South Bay) and similar addiction , to the point that there is no space to walk and i keep ordering trees

We should share our experience about what grow best in our area and what is harder to keep, plus which nursery is best for shipping, so that the others forum members from our area should get benefits from our experience
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 09:41:53 AM by jbaqai »

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Re: i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2016, 10:00:36 AM »
I'm addicted to plants and my wife is my partner in this addiction but we are running out of space to plant. Only have 2.4 acres and I or she could not maintain this place my ourself! We both love working in our garden and I encourage women to post and keep getting your views out here because that will make this forum stronger :)

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« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2016, 02:06:28 PM »
OK. I androgynized the posts and removed references to porn. Better?

I do take offence at the weird suggestion that I'm some misogynist monster that frightens folks from other backgrounds away from posting. I actually get quite a few praises for being helpful (from male and female). I believe you're the first person to ever make that claim against me. I scratched my head a little on this and have to believe that you've confused me with someone else.

I also think that you can express your grievances in a much more polite and tactful manner.

And PS, most folks on this forum know that my wife is far more aggressive at fruit collecting than me. In this relationship, I'm the one who keeps her in check.

(Normally the fruit porn addicts are gentlemen :-).

Just because that's your perception doesn't make it true. I am female also, and I know plenty of other women who are very into tropical fruit, and plants in general. Many women are not that vocal on this site because they don't feel comfortable with the vibe among other posters. There are constant references here to "wives holding us back," "porn," and other things that come across as sexist and make women uncomfortable posting. Also, we all know that many threads here feature a lot of hostility, and ego trips. These types of things create an environment where many women lurk but don't post. That's why I get a lot of PMs from such women, who identify with me but say they don't want to post on actual threads.

If men genuinely want a lot more women to be into tropical fruit and to show that interest openly here, a good way to encourage that would be to stop using terms like "fruit porn," derogatory comments about wives, and all the ego-tripping that creates a sense of hierarchy where only inner circle members feel safe to post without being torn to shreds for having a differing opinion, experience, or way of expressing themselves. I say that, in case you're genuinely interested. But I think it's pretty clear that a few others besides yourself may be quite happy tending their male-only kingdom and making women and new members uncomfortable. I don't say this to be provocative, but just to be honest. Some people like their closed club where they perceive themselves to be the king, and don't want new people to come in and challenge that.

I am not afraid to post here. But I get irritated every time I read yet another comment about wives being against fruit acquisition. It's sexist, and stupid. If a particular individual's spouse doesn't share their passions in life, then they married the wrong person. That does not make all women on Earth against buying and planting fruit trees - it means you married a particular individual who does not share your hobbies. That says nothing about the rest of society, and everything about your life. 

"Only browse for fruit trees when you're wife is watching (put the puter in the living room). Give all of your credit cards to your wife and let her be the purchase police."
This was an extremely presumptive, and sexist thing to say. This is the internet. You don't know when someone posts here what their sex is. You don't know what their relationship status is. You don't know their religion, home country, financial practices, or first language. You don't know what their sexual orientation is. All you know is that they are an online poster who is into fruit. It is offensive to automatically assume that total strangers share the same sex, values, and experience that you do. I don't think you meant to be offensive, but people here could encourage a lot more diversity of posters if they would not assume so much about what brings others here to this forum.

So, I correct your statement. It is not true that most fruit addicts are men. That is merely your perception, probably in part because the way you communicate encourages only other men like yourself to feel comfortable sharing with you in your experiences. I would guess that many of you here don't realize this, that the way you speak can be seen as exclusionary and discourages others from feeling comfortable participating in online forums, and sometimes also from in-person clubs.
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« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2016, 02:07:33 PM »
{double post}
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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2016, 02:19:30 PM »
OK. I androgynized the posts and removed references to porn. Better?

I do take offence at the weird suggestion that I'm some misogynist monster that frightens folks from other backgrounds away from posting. I actually get quite a few praises for being helpful (from male and female). I believe you're the first person to ever make that claim against me. I scratched my head a little on this and have to believe that you've confused me with someone else.

I also think that you can express your grievances in a much more polite and tactful manner.

And PS, most folks on this forum know that my wife is far more aggressive at fruit collecting than me. In this relationship, I'm the one who keeps her in check.

(Normally the fruit porn addicts are gentlemen :-).

Just because that's your perception doesn't make it true. I am female also, and I know plenty of other women who are very into tropical fruit, and plants in general. Many women are not that vocal on this site because they don't feel comfortable with the vibe among other posters. There are constant references here to "wives holding us back," "porn," and other things that come across as sexist and make women uncomfortable posting. Also, we all know that many threads here feature a lot of hostility, and ego trips. These types of things create an environment where many women lurk but don't post. That's why I get a lot of PMs from such women, who identify with me but say they don't want to post on actual threads.

If men genuinely want a lot more women to be into tropical fruit and to show that interest openly here, a good way to encourage that would be to stop using terms like "fruit porn," derogatory comments about wives, and all the ego-tripping that creates a sense of hierarchy where only inner circle members feel safe to post without being torn to shreds for having a differing opinion, experience, or way of expressing themselves. I say that, in case you're genuinely interested. But I think it's pretty clear that a few others besides yourself may be quite happy tending their male-only kingdom and making women and new members uncomfortable. I don't say this to be provocative, but just to be honest. Some people like their closed club where they perceive themselves to be the king, and don't want new people to come in and challenge that.

I am not afraid to post here. But I get irritated every time I read yet another comment about wives being against fruit acquisition. It's sexist, and stupid. If a particular individual's spouse doesn't share their passions in life, then they married the wrong person. That does not make all women on Earth against buying and planting fruit trees - it means you married a particular individual who does not share your hobbies. That says nothing about the rest of society, and everything about your life. 

"Only browse for fruit trees when you're wife is watching (put the puter in the living room). Give all of your credit cards to your wife and let her be the purchase police."
This was an extremely presumptive, and sexist thing to say. This is the internet. You don't know when someone posts here what their sex is. You don't know what their relationship status is. You don't know their religion, home country, financial practices, or first language. You don't know what their sexual orientation is. All you know is that they are an online poster who is into fruit. It is offensive to automatically assume that total strangers share the same sex, values, and experience that you do. I don't think you meant to be offensive, but people here could encourage a lot more diversity of posters if they would not assume so much about what brings others here to this forum.

So, I correct your statement. It is not true that most fruit addicts are men. That is merely your perception, probably in part because the way you communicate encourages only other men like yourself to feel comfortable sharing with you in your experiences. I would guess that many of you here don't realize this, that the way you speak can be seen as exclusionary and discourages others from feeling comfortable participating in online forums, and sometimes also from in-person clubs.
Yeah I really thought that whole long post was not very well thought out. Really rude and overkill too for a simple misunderstanding IMO...

And my wife complains all the time I spend too much money on trees and plants but thats because I do ;D doesn't somehow make her the wrong woman for me she still respects my passion :)
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Re: i have an addiction to online ordering of tropical fruit trees
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2016, 03:01:12 PM »
I too do have this addiction.  My wife policed this addiction the most but my water bill is a good reminder to slow down.

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« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2016, 03:13:38 PM »
I too do have this addiction.  My wife policed this addiction the most but my water bill is a good reminder to slow down.
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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2016, 04:16:33 PM »
Same here
I like whenever my wife reminds me of my addiction, that doesn't meant that we are wrong for each other

Seriously who would thought , wife correcting for your addiction makes her a wrong wife , pls

It make us more stronger together

For instance she is very tough on cleanness and house care and spend a good amount of time on it , the time we could have spend together. But i always says to her " I can understand why you do that , and it's means to her" ( reference to my plants addiction), and she always smiles me back

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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2016, 05:03:55 PM »
I have a addiction too. Just bought for more plants and now I am in trouble. :P
Good that a new month start soon and I can buy two more. That is my aggrement with Hubby.
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« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2016, 01:35:41 PM »
...sticking to growing seeds makes the collateral damage a lot less...

LOL very true! And cuttings too, wink wink
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« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2016, 04:20:07 PM »
On the other hand Kim? You'll see when you make the decision that you cant get around all the greenery? Its ok to prune the bejeebee's out of them. You will still get enough fruit to eat or even a family..and its kind of neat to see the bigger trunk on compact dense foliage. The return of sunlight will be nice too.
Maybe you can pioneer a row of almost topiary Mangoes of 30-50 variety's on tree's 6' tall and 3' around.
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