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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Tejocote, cold tolerance and more
« on: March 15, 2025, 07:57:46 PM »
I tasted this fruit back in November, found some at a Hispanic grocery store. The fruit is creamy like a guava, but more dense. Reminds me more of a quince than a Hawthorne (I've tried candied Chinese Hawthorne "tangulu" the bigger red fruit variety and that was "better" flavor wise). I wouldn't eat these tejocote raw again but I cooked the fruit in a syrup which softened them and improved the flavor. It has a "festive" taste, I can see these being used to make a mulled cider type of beverage.

I planted all of the seeds outside, I am in zone 7a so we'll see what pops up in the spring. I'm going to test the hardiness, I read they are hardy to 5f but I feel like these should be hardier.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone know what this fruit is in Northern Florida?
« on: March 13, 2025, 06:21:20 PM »
I agree with mayhaw/hawthorn/crataegus . What do the seed/s look like?

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting questions
« on: March 13, 2025, 12:54:35 PM »
Don't mean to hijack your thread but I am curious about what your best grafting method is for persimmon. I have some Hachiya scions in the fridge. I want to replace a jiro fuyu so I was thinking of top working it and doing bark grafts and cleft grafts? Or should I keep some of the branches and do whip and tongue? I have never tried that graft! The jiro branches are growing in an umbrella form since I weighed the branches down, so I could potentially just graft all the sticks to those branches, would just have to keep up with pruning if any jiro buds pop out. Would much rather top work the entire tree. Could also bud around the trunk and see if any will grow, then chop the upper jiro part off? I don't want too tall of a tree either would rather bring it down.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mexican pawpaw sapranthus campechianus for sale
« on: March 12, 2025, 12:45:21 PM »
Chatgpt says they have the same chromosome count as asimina triloba, so maybe can be hybridized. Dunno if it's that simple though. Worth a try!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting questions
« on: March 12, 2025, 12:03:27 PM »
I wrap my entire scions so they don't dry out but I use parafilm on those grafts (apples, pear, etc can be grafted pretty much in late March here) and have not covered them.

I do cover if I'm grafting later when its hotter and sunnier (usually citrus) with foil so the sun doesn't cook the scion as the wrap creates a greenhouse effect.

You can use just about anything to graft with, but I suggest rubber bands to help with pressure for cleft grafts and such and then wrap over that with your plastic. 

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Zone 6b/7a cold winter
« on: March 11, 2025, 12:43:32 PM »
Thanks! Yes I'm about 25-30 mins from the George Washington Bridge. The skyline is visible just up the block.
NYC is now conisdered a zone 7b so even a few degrees warmer than in town



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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What’s missing from this citrus collection?
« on: March 10, 2025, 08:11:52 PM »
😲I hope that stands for something else lol

OP what is dwarf Yuzu? is this just a Yuzu grafted on a flying dragon or a whole new variety?

Quote from: a_Vivaldi on March 10, 2025, 08:07:47 PM
Quote from: poncirsguy on March 10, 2025, 11:34:33 AM
Your collection looks close to complete.  What I have that you don't:   spider mites, aphids, scale,  ACP,  bird-shit-caterpillars, Leaf miners,  Citrus gall wasps, roof-rats,  greasy spot, cancers, gummosis, Phytophthora,

Wait, how did you get Asian citrus psilids in Ohio?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Zone 6b/7a cold winter
« on: March 10, 2025, 08:08:58 PM »
nice job protecting everything, looks great! nearly the same low here, 2f. the greenhouse stayed at 26f which damaged the potted pomelo, the sumo, and the meyer but everything else seems ok

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Paw Paw varieties taste
« on: March 09, 2025, 06:20:09 PM »
I grafted some with these flavor profiles, but not sure about aftertaste. I haven't had the fruit yet so can't confirm but I selected the scions based on those flavors.

"And for the second one, I want a really tropical one, that tastes like mango, pineapple or even coconut."

Tropical Treat
Al Horns White
IXL

I put a description under the varieties. https://youtu.be/s5R-2y4z4HA?si=Id1XUE6ODY0Ie4XI

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus Experiment Zone7A NJ
« on: March 09, 2025, 06:15:30 PM »
Your Xie Shan looks better than my sumo in the greenhouse right now! Low of 26f inside

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« on: March 07, 2025, 05:30:10 PM »
This is great. I'm happy to see so many hybrids and cold hardy varieties in that list. Perhaps someday we can have a Northeastern Citrus Expo

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: An unusual seedling
« on: March 07, 2025, 05:24:49 PM »
cool looks like a carnivorous pitcher plant

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya seedlings
« on: March 06, 2025, 10:58:12 PM »
once you get them outside in the spring they will take off. make sure they dont get burned, start them off in the shade

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: VI-396/CRC-3881 (Citrondarin)
« on: February 27, 2025, 12:48:05 PM »
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I like the interior coloring. Maybe this fruit develops worse flavors as it ripens? If it's the same one tasted on that one youtube video they made it seem like it was the worst thing in the world lol

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What fruit made you the most disappointed
« on: February 24, 2025, 04:33:48 PM »
the everbearing mulberry from Logees... tiny fruit that are a bit insipid, got rid of it
and my no-name pawpaws, while not cultivars, I thought the fruit was overhyped and doesn't compare to a cherimoya or sugar apple. hope new grafts of named varieties will be better

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Fruit Quality vs. Cold Hardiness
« on: February 20, 2025, 11:09:39 PM »
Awesome work. I totally agree with "I don't see dessert-quality fruit as a reasonable expectation, but fruit can still be fairly useful and good-tasting to some... once a fruit scores 60+, it is worth growing for some sort of culinary purposes." Looking at you, Yuzu, you would definitely score higher if served in a different form ;D

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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Looking for hachiya persimmon cutting
« on: February 20, 2025, 10:19:05 AM »
No worries, I found a source for the hachiya thanks for offering though! Best of luck finding low chill stuff, https://growingfruit.org/ seems to have more temperate growers than this forum

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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Looking for hachiya persimmon cutting
« on: February 14, 2025, 11:44:00 AM »
Hey!
I'm thinking of top working a second jiro fuyu tree since I already have the one big tree and don't need 2.
I don't think I need more than 1 or 2 sticks max.

I grow from seed but I do have some cultivars

Pears:
Korean giant pear
Honeysweet

Peach:
Hale Haven



Apples:
some kind of popular NJ orchard apple, I have no idea what it is but it's grown in orchards around here so probably disease resistant (maybe McIntosh?), seedling of a "hidden rose" apple no fruit yet



Plum:
Seed grown, probably a black beauty/ asian plum


Cherry:
Rainer, Royal Anne, Carmine Jewel (bush cherry)


Apricot:
Seed grown, no fruit yet

Kiwi:
Issai

Blueberry:
Reka


Feijoa:
Probably a seedling. Fruit is good, skin isn't bitter just sour.


Poms:
Afganski (I think you have this one from me!), other ones are too tiny to cut

PawPaw:
Al horn's, Lehman's Chiffon, IXL, Tropical Treat (these are new grafts so will have to check how much can be cut)





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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Fukushu X PT seed
« on: February 13, 2025, 07:22:45 PM »
This is what orangedays fukushu x pt might look like:

https://www.homecitrusgrowers.co.uk/australiannativecitrus/sagauniversityhybrids.html





from Saga University, Japan


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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Looking for hachiya persimmon cutting
« on: February 12, 2025, 06:33:35 PM »
Looking to trade for a hachiya cutting or two.

I have jiro fuyu, cold hardy & hybrid citrus, (no trading citrus to restricted states sorry!) Afganski pom, anything in my bio that you're interested in
PM me!

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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Is there another forum for temperate fruits?
« on: February 12, 2025, 11:53:43 AM »
https://growingfruit.org/

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: US-1284, SCS rootstocks
« on: February 08, 2025, 09:41:09 PM »
Briteleaf.com I'm not sure if they use the rootstocks anymore

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: US-1284, SCS rootstocks
« on: February 07, 2025, 02:46:49 PM »
Hmm so here is the US-1284 on own root. While it appears to have survived 2 or 3f from the last cold event, I noticed 2 small bark cracks at the base of the plant. The branches on top look a tiny bit dessicated but the main trunk is healthy green. It's too soon to tell if it will die back, but the branches arent bleached so this is a good sign for now. I'm not sure if wrapping the cracked bark with parafilm helps. The plastic bottle is for avoiding damage from the weed wacker but maybe it had a bit of a greenhouse effect?













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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 Citrandarin (X-639) winter hardiness trial
« on: February 04, 2025, 04:31:57 PM »
^Awesome discovering those Yuzu seedlings! There are some articles I found online showing different variations grown in South Korea, but it is behind a paywall. I was able to see a photo of 3 varieties, one with smaller fruit being seedless with all 3 of the fruit ripening in November. So growing from seed is definitely something people have done with Yuzu, as well as getting off-types.

I emailed them for a quote so we'll see. 5% while not too low means I would need more seeds with no gaurantee any of them would survive so it could just be a waste of money aside from the logistics of growing 1,700 plants :-X

Will make my own thread after a big think lol

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 Citrandarin (X-639) winter hardiness trial
« on: February 03, 2025, 07:12:03 PM »
I noticed Lyn Citrus Seed offer Yuzu seeds, 1,700 at a time.

If 10-20% of the seed might be zygotic that would leave 170 - 340 plants for winter testing here. If any of the off-types can potentially reach 0f/-18c -> (supposedly ichang papeda hardiness, cant confirm but mine is still alive grafted on taitri after 2f).

We could have a hardier, even down to zone 7a Yuzu. Difference from the citrange and citrandarin tests being as there is no trifoliate in the lineage thus all of the plants would be evergreen and less hardy.

That being said, have you noticed any deciduous seedlings? Perhaps too small yet to notice, some of my poncirus seedlings keep their leaves through winter.

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