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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: February 16, 2025, 04:25:51 PM »


Pickering


Zill M-4


Maha Chanok

Looks like I got decent fruit set despite the cold wet January, I believe a lot of the problems this year were from the 2nd wettest year on record we had( I hit just under 90") last year on the rain gauge. Official reports in the low 70s, but they don't account properly for Hurricanes and local events.

I had to turn to the dark arts(systemics) to nurse the trees back to health- hopefully they recover this year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Flowers
« on: February 15, 2025, 09:18:14 PM »
wait until fruit sets are pea sized if they fruit- then strip them off( don't remove the panicle)- once the panicle dries out a few weeks later- you can snap them off cleanly

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Enhancing mango fruit set
« on: February 13, 2025, 04:07:54 PM »
Yes, water now. I have been for the past 10 days.

I'm gonna need about 5 years before I can evaluate all the stuff i'm growing now, but you should have plenty of fruit with your list

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Enhancing mango fruit set
« on: February 13, 2025, 01:45:41 PM »
Unfortunately, i'm beginning to realize that weather and climate is the biggest factor, and that's out of our control.

Here is what I learned can affect fruit set that is in our control so far
- variety selection- some varities will never be productive, even in an optimal growing conditions

- nutrition- trees that are well fortified will retain more fruit

- age of tree- larger older trees tend to set and retain fruit better than newer plantings

- site selection- more sunlight will encourage more flowers, drier conditions will yield better quality fruit.

- pollinators- having plenty of insects especially flies will improve yield. Bees can also be used, but they tend to shy away from mango.

I begin watering at fruit set. I'm working on drip irrigation with a timer




I begin to water just as soon as the first fruits set

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango ID
« on: February 13, 2025, 08:32:48 AM »
Definitely Ataulfo- it's descended from Philippine/Manila/Carabao mangoes. Sweet, has fiber. I believe it is polyembryonic, so if you plant the seed- you should eventually get something similar to mother plant. It can take a very long time to fruit from seed

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My Dwarf hawaiian opened completely Male in early November, panicles in late December set a few fruits, panicles in mid January absolutely obliterated with Anthracnose, and the latest round is absolutely loaded with fruitlets and are clean(I spray).

My tiny Sugarloaf did set a few fruitlets, so I guess that's a small victory.

My Amrapalli and Bombay trees are still asleep- so I can't comment on those flowers. Although Kesar had a beautiful bloom with very little fruit set so far.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: dragonfruit taste - bland?
« on: February 12, 2025, 10:47:39 AM »

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: dragonfruit taste - bland?
« on: February 12, 2025, 09:51:37 AM »
Most of them i've tried are bland and not worth growing, in addition there is a fungus now that is wiping out unsuspecting plants.

Dark Star and Physical Graffiti are the two i've been most impressed with. The latter needs another plant around as a pollinator

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help me select my next mango
« on: February 12, 2025, 09:43:10 AM »
Your collection and the suggestions here all look pretty good- I hesitate to reccomend something veey obscure- because there is too little information.

Cac is an excellent choice, if you want something different than what you have try Imam Passand or Jehangir- i've seen both varieties being propogated and should be fairly available.

I will also mention Philipine/carabao and Duncan both varieties are older and are overlooked tsste wise, but are productive and disease resistant.

Happy hunting

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla Variety Box Tasting Notes
« on: February 11, 2025, 09:45:24 AM »
Thanks CC, I'm due for a trip over there anyway- I'll have to check it out,
I finally bought a large 7G Mamey because I got tired of losing 1Gs, even 1G mangos are tricky and have to be babied.
I already have a Silas Wood and Morena in the ground over a year, and neither have done anything, if I get a couple dozen fruit a year from 6 trees I'll be happy. Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread. Thanks again

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla Variety Box Tasting Notes
« on: February 10, 2025, 08:34:49 PM »
Thank you! Unfortunately , I never tasted a proper Sapodilla- many of the ones I've tried were picked far too early.

 I'm trying to find a cochin - something a little more dwarf, but I might settle for one of the Crunch ones or a Mai.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla Variety Box Tasting Notes
« on: February 10, 2025, 04:00:50 PM »
Thanks for these, CC. I just picked up a Hasya, Gigantea, and a Butterscotch sapodilla from a local nursery this weekend as a B-day treat to myself. I'm gonna go back next week and pick up a Molix and a jackfruit as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Powdery. Mildew 2024 Paranoia
« on: February 10, 2025, 03:58:31 PM »
GG- Your fruit sets look good , and at this point PM won't be a concern- on that tree anyway. I also don't see any sunken panicles from anthracnose-  I would call that a success

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: February 09, 2025, 12:25:07 PM »
Thank you Greater Good and pineflatwoods. A few more questions about boifungicides:
1.  Do we all agree that biofungicides can safely be sprayed on open mango bloom?
2.  If i had to pick one biofungicide to experiment now, which one should i pick?
3.  If you bought any locally, where? I am in SW Ranches.
4.  I am using sulfur now for PM. Could I mix a biofungicide with sulfur (in the same spray tank) to hit PM and Anthracnose?

1) I haven't seen any issues so far

2) Actinovate is probably the cheapest and most readily available. I got mine from the house that Bezos built.

3) I'm not sure about Broward, but the supply houses by me don't sell unless you're a golf course or commercial grower, and are therefore useless. I've had to buy online from a bunch of different sites.

4) I've never mixed the two

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: February 08, 2025, 10:30:53 PM »
yes, there's a heap of them. Not sure if all work though

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: February 08, 2025, 07:33:31 PM »
Looks like Tommy Atkins will be the last one to flower for me- just sending up panicles now. Nothing left to flower thst hasn't flowered.

Spraying any of the biofungicides on open bloom doesn't harm the bloom from what i've seen.

Keep in mind they're expensive, need to be sprayed more frequently and are more effective before the disease is observed.

Also you need to get a few of them and rotate- otherwise the fungi will become resistant and the product will become usless.

Ultimately, I will be eliminating the most susceptibke varities- that will be the best long term solution.

EddieF- i've never used a systemic. I'm considering one after this season. If it doesn't contain <20% copper you should be fine

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: February 07, 2025, 10:52:02 PM »
wow, I guess I got lucky mine is flowering and fruiting the second year after planting as a 7G. tree is about 7ft tall and 6ft wide. first time as well.
It looks like both your trees avoided the cold/ wet flower kill in Jan., they look great.

Phoenix does appear to get some Anthracnose I noticed as well. Creme Brulee is the worst I've seen so far. Almost impossible to keep it clean.

I plan on making a list at the end of the year of the most and least disease resistant varieties.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: February 07, 2025, 08:04:34 PM »
I'm looking at 4 prospects that have set fruit and are of size. Pickering, M4, Venus, and Maha Chanok. Everything else is either too small or got nuked in January. A lot of big trees around here with completely barren panicles.

EddieF- are you talking about fruit on the tree or saving seed? Fruit on the tree will always be of the varietal type. Saving seed from trees that close will most likely result in fruit that was pollinated with the other variety- but there is no 100% guarantee unless strictly controlled.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ‘Tikal’ sapodilla cultivar
« on: February 06, 2025, 08:56:49 AM »
I looked for Hasya extensively last year and couldn't find one, I settled on a Morena. I passed on a Tikal because I didn't know much about it. I wish it was easier to deal with the USDA. I would love to import more varieties from Asia and Australia.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Cold Fronts (and Mangos)
« on: February 06, 2025, 08:52:15 AM »
With the past week and the foreseeable future with temps in the mid-upper 80s and nighttime temps not dropping below mid 60's, February is looking more like May. This is most likely the end of any meaningful cold in this part of the state, the other half of my M-4 tree I've been waiting the flower is flushing pure growth. Increasing day length is also a factor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Alkaline soil mango planting
« on: February 05, 2025, 09:21:14 AM »
you can use any of those amendments, I stay away from Aluminum as it can be toxic at high levels
(I'm assuming you're using the type that goes in water purification systems that might be ok). Mangoes will grow in a very high ph environment, they do just fine in the limestone of Miami-Dade county. I would go for a tiger 90 amendment- then soil test every 6-12 months and see what the PH/ mineral availability trend is. The leaves will turn yellow in a very high-ph situation

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: February 05, 2025, 09:04:36 AM »
Most of the trees that didn't flower 4-6 weeks ago are now breaking buds, still need another month or so to judge the season here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nordox 75 WG Fungicide
« on: February 05, 2025, 08:54:49 AM »
not sure, it's possible. There are many strains of Colletrotrichum fungus. I know the timing was poor with the extended overcast, drizzly rain. I'm sure it's present on a microscopic level on almost every tree- even ones that don't show symptoms. My bloom that emerged in the past week is fairly clean, and isn't being consumed like those were.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nordox 75 WG Fungicide
« on: February 05, 2025, 08:35:19 AM »
yeah, most likely the extended cold temps killed the flowers, and opportunistic disease moved in-. I'm seeing the same thing on a lot of trees. I removed all the flowers that opened early on mine, everything that emerged after about 1/26 looks healthy and is setting fruit. I'll treat with Nordox once flowers are done

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Snakes and Food Forests
« on: February 03, 2025, 01:40:15 PM »
I've seen snakes in the grove, I leave them alone -even the venomous ones- they're one of the most important predators of pests, almost all of them are pretty reclusive.

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