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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Crispy Honey Kumquat - Lunar New Year
« on: February 03, 2025, 08:30:46 PM »
I hope to taste the fruit this week. I got some from a person who just had a bag full from his customer. He didn't know what it was but when I saw the fruits,  I knew immediately it wasn't the Meiwa. He gave me 3 fruits to take home so I have it and when I get the real Crispy Honey fruit, will do a side by side comparison this week and take brix readings. Isn't this variety true to type if you germinate any seeds? I ate one fruit and it had a seed so I'm saving it.

When I removed the seed casing on the two seeds I found, one had nothing inside while the other only had tiny bits with no viable seed. Hope you get lucky with yours!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Variegated Kumquats from Seed, Nagami & Fukushu
« on: February 03, 2025, 06:02:45 PM »
Thank you! This was my second batch of seed, and each batch was about 9,000 seeds. So 1 in 18,000! My first batch I had some seedlings with bifoliate/trifoliate leaves but I killed them. So far it is still alive and I grafted a small piece onto Swingle. Once it's big enough I'll propagate it more!

Wow interesting. Where do you source that many seeds? Also how many leaves/height did you let the seedlings grow before you decided to cull?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Variegated Kumquats from Seed, Nagami & Fukushu
« on: February 02, 2025, 08:12:58 PM »
Haha, i like your plan! Unfortunately these do not seem like true variegation to me. I have has similar seedlings that all eventually died or turned a normal color. I have only found one truly variegated Rangpur lime seedling and it's quite beautiful, and thankfully stable so far.


That's a nice one. How many seeds did you go through to find that? Also like your videos!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Crispy Honey Kumquat - Lunar New Year
« on: February 02, 2025, 08:03:51 PM »
The pictures are from today. There is a private owned non-chain asian grocery store named MeiMei that has been open for 2 years near where i live. I notice they have fruits that most chain stores dont have, like the guavas i mentioned on other post. I have seen the honey crisp kumquat for few months now, but thought it was abiu. I asked cashier and they said it was kumquat, i saw the price and thought it is not worth because i did not know it was the honey crisp. I would say price is still high like all new fruits, but to try is ok.

This is my little secret living up in the north away from the warmer zones. Many of the Asian/Caribbean/Indian/etc grocery stores import tropical fruit, you just have to catch them while its the right season. I've been able to get Jackfruit, Durian, star apple, sapodilla, canistel, sugar apple, cherimoya, soursop, pomelos, guavas, pitaya, mangosteen, and lots more. If you make it a frequent stop to check every month you'll almost always find a good haul.

**The catch is knowing what's going to ripen up or what's going to be bad/was picked too unripe.

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@nofspeppers I've considered replacing my Centennial Variegated Kumquat with Meiwa. It hurts to top it, but the fruits are sour and it isn't super productive. I've definitely watched lots of Tough Citrus, I like that dude as well as Stan the Citrus Man.

Yeah, if I had to pick just one of the quat types I'd go with Meiwa, Nagami a close second. I've got Lemonquat and Lakeland Limequat as well. Their skin is edible but not good tasting so they are effectively like little single serving lemon/limes without the nice sweet skin. I've had the Centennial before and liked it but it was definitely sour. Any chance they sweeten up the longer you leave them on the tree? That foliage is hard to beat.

I also have a Sweet Lime, which has no acid. I thought I'd like it more, but without the acid that latent lime bitterness is more apparent, even though they're sweet. It's quite a trip to taste. You mentioned doing cocktails, and this could be used well with that.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Crispy Honey Kumquat - Lunar New Year
« on: February 02, 2025, 07:37:06 PM »
Out of all the fruit I had only 1 had 2 seeds, but both were non viable.

Skin can be scoured with knife and peeled back. Flesh without skin resembles white loquat texture, taste is similar also. Its like watery honey taste.

I tried look for segments/slices. The segments are covered by a layer of juicy sweet rind.


I will say the only downside to this fruit is the skin when compared to the nagami. It lacks the citrus oil taste and fragrance.






Interesting all the ones up here had good sweet skin like nagami or meiwa

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Crispy Honey Kumquat - Lunar New Year
« on: January 30, 2025, 10:06:37 PM »
The flavor is similar to Meiwa without the fruit pulp. There’s almost no acid in these things. I just can’t get over how juicy they are even though it’s just all pith and skin. Had a few more and measured one at 21.5 which is the highest I’ve ever gotten from any fruit, let alone citrus. If you google Asian grocery store you’re probably going to have good luck with the results.

I think finding a tree in the states will be very difficult because they’re originally from China and citrus importing is so strict, especially from there

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Citrus General Discussion / Crispy Honey Kumquat - Lunar New Year
« on: January 30, 2025, 06:58:45 PM »
So its Lunar New Year and if you make your way to your local Chinatown or Asian grocery store you will most likely find the Crispy Honey Kumquats. Really interesting kumquat as its mostly sweet juicy pith and very little pulp globules. It's seedless and I was getting brix readings between 17 and 20! Very sweet and delicious with a hint of acid. I bought a pound ($16.99 here in nyc) which was 11 fruit. I remember someone posting about them here before so just thought I'd let everyone know they're available since I don't think they sell them outside of the Lunar New Year.


Here's some info I found online about them:
"Cuimi (脆蜜金柑 = Cui Mi Jin Gan = “Crispy Honey Kumquat”). Meiwa-type kumquat with large, sweet, juicy fruit and few or no seeds. Origin: Guangxi University, Liuzhou Fruit Production Office, and Guangxi Rongan Fruit Production Station, Guangxi, China, by H.G. Lan, Z.E. Tang, et al. Huapi kumquat (Fortunella crassifolia) bud mutation, initially selected 2007, finally selected 2014. Chinese MARA PBR CNA20150497.9; 1 Sept. 2017. Fruit: obovoid to spheroid, fruit shape index 1.1; large, length 44 mm, diameter 40 mm, 20.5 g on average, largest 35.6 g; rind golden yellow to orange-red, smooth, with very few oil cells, thickness 1.25 mm; texture crisp, juicy; juice content 56.9%; flavor strong, sweet, 16.46 ºBrix, TA 0.18%, TSS/TA 131.4; vitamin C content 21.05 mg/100 g; no pungent spicy taste; quality excellent; seeds 0.2, nearly seedless; ripens late November to mid-December in Guangxi; stores well. Tree: height 3-5 m; leaves obovate, dark green; yield high, stable, precocious; highly resistant to Huanglongbing, citrus canker (Xanthomonas axonopodis), and drought."

https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/57/9/article-p1174.xml












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*Btw since you're out of the citrus quarantine you can order budwood for much cheaper through madison citrus and receive a lot more buds.

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Have you tried Meiwa Kumquat? It's been my favorite of all the quat varieties and has the sweetest skin imo. NZ Lemonade I really enjoy but you already have it. I've read and heard good things about ClemxYuzu 2-2-2 "ten degree tangerine" and Keraji Mandarin Sweet Lemon. I successfully grafted both last fall, but haven't personally tried the fruit yet.

If you're into variegated foliage there's quite a few versions of common varieties out there, (var. cara cara, var. minneola, mottled minneola, var. pink lemon, centennial var. kumquat).

If you're looking for some inspiration, Tough Citrus on youtube has a couple walkthroughs of madison citrus nursery where they try a bunch of fruit, as well as some videos at Stan's place. When they eat a good/unique one I usually have to look it up and put in on my next budwood order, lol.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bellamy Seedling ID Help
« on: January 29, 2025, 07:53:40 PM »
The dark new growth kind of stopped as it got older, new growth being green now. Still up for any suggestions on what it might be though. I've been looking through Eugenias trying to find a match.

That's a nice looking plant.

Prolly Beaurepaireana if I can remember correctly that's one of the only ones on your list that pops out with that fuzzy.

My E. Beaurepaireana seedlings look nothing like it.



Ok very weird, I germinated a seed from Bellamy that was supposed to be Eugenia Bahiensis that looks exactly like this. Hard to mix up since it’s very different looking than other seedlings. I looked up images of mature E. Bahiensis and it doesn’t look the same. I also have seedlings of E. beaurepairiana and the leaves don’t match either. So I’m confused as to what exactly we both have? Here’s a photo of it first emerging and some current photos.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bellamy Seedling ID Help
« on: January 29, 2025, 03:18:37 PM »
Prolly Beaurepaireana if I can remember correctly that's one of the only ones on your list that pops out with that fuzzy.

My E. Beaurepaireana seedlings look nothing like it.



Ok very weird, I germinated a seed from Bellamy that was supposed to be Eugenia Bahiensis that looks exactly like this. Hard to mix up since it’s very different looking than other seedlings. I looked up images of mature E. Bahiensis and it doesn’t look the same. I also have seedlings of E. beaurepairiana and the leaves don’t match either. So I’m confused as to what exactly we both have? Here’s a photo of it first emerging and some current photos.






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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Orri Mandarin albino seedlings
« on: January 26, 2025, 02:43:46 PM »
Every year, I get several albinos scattered among various varieties, with no known correlation to the genetics of the parents.  I'm told that most of them would be a non-genetic result of some kind of fungal damage to the seed embryo, thus they do not carry any genetic trait for albinism or variegation.

Gotcha, thanks for that!

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Citrus General Discussion / Orri Mandarin albino seedlings
« on: January 24, 2025, 04:06:53 PM »
Planted some Orri Mandarin seeds and surprisingly got multiple albinos popping up. Shame that they're not partially variegated and will just die off. It seems strange to have multiple albinos for a mandarin that wasn’t even variegated itself. Has anyone else gotten a large number of albinos popping up from this variety or was this just some randomness?


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: White Sapote Scion Sale
« on: January 24, 2025, 03:15:49 PM »
What diameter are your scions usually?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dovyalis Grafting Compatiblity
« on: January 21, 2025, 01:30:32 PM »
I like the tree form more as well, good to know you can prune this variety well! Thanks for all the info

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dovyalis Grafting Compatiblity
« on: January 19, 2025, 02:29:17 PM »
Just the guys I need to talk to. I have been looking for that tropical apricot for years. I unfortunately lost the two I bought from exotica. Let me know if either of you have good source for those plants.

I got mine from Adam (flying fox fruits), he sells rooted cuttings from his tree. If they're not listed on his website shoot him an email or instagram message as he's got a bunch. Mine flowered a month after he sent it but didn't hold fruit last year. Hoping it holds this year.

Here are a few more pic's one more anyway having trouble posting



Are you grafting that high up to keep a tree form (instead of bush)? I assume if you cut the thorns off the trunk they might not come back? Thanks for the photos!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dovyalis Grafting Compatiblity
« on: January 17, 2025, 01:17:14 PM »
I grafted a few D. afra that I've been growing in ground last year with a sweeter variety, grafted around March I believe or late Feb. some grafts failed but two took.
So you put D. afra onto D. afra? Did you do cleft or different grafts? I'd love to see any photos you have of them if you have them

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Dovyalis Grafting Compatiblity
« on: January 16, 2025, 02:42:34 PM »
Has anyone done any grafting with Dovyalis? I know cuttings root easily but can't seem to find info on grafting. Trying to figure out if there's confirmed grafting compatibility between species like Tropical Apricot (Dovyalis hebecarpa x D. abyssinica) and it's parents. Or even Kei Apple (D. afra (new taxonomy formerly kaffra)).

Since many species are dioecious I figured someone has done some grafting before

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448!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brazilian Plantarum Botanical Garden
« on: January 12, 2025, 09:17:22 PM »
Yes plinia nana is freestone
as well as plinia sp. diamantina

Diamantina is one of my families favorite jabos because of the freestone seed
But yeah, I think the only guy who is fruiting them in the USA is Luiz right now

Also, everyone's nanas always die lol
people get them to flower and then they die

So it would be great to hybridize, but gonna be a while until we can figure out growing them in the USA...


There is a seedless jaboticaba, but I can't say anything else or you may not see me again ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

lol thanks for the info Ryan, good stuff to know!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Brazilian Plantarum Botanical Garden
« on: January 12, 2025, 05:01:08 PM »
Stumbled onto this recent (Jan 2) video tour and thought you all might like to see some large Plinias, Eugenias and other trees.

I didn't know that Plinia Nana (@7:14) was a "free stone" jabo or that it was even a possibility. Is anyone trying to breed this characteristic into new hybrids?

Also fun to see larger trees that I have small seedlings of like the E. Minutifolia (@17:49), E. Patrisii (@18:55) and E. Dysenterica (@22:05)

Youtube now has an auto-translate for audio which I thought was a bit clunky so I just turned on subtitles and left it in Portuguese. Very cool to see how auto-translation has really broken down the barrier to seeing and understanding more Brazilian made content.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwjZfzz4BE
Youtube description: The video was recorded at the Plantarum Botanical Garden, in Nova Odessa, together with the Agricultural and Botanical Engineer Harri Lorenzi.

Here's a list of trees they show in the video:
Campomanesia xanthocarpa – Yellow Guabiroba
Campomanesia lineatifolia – Amazonian Guabiroba
Campomanesia lorenziana - Giant Super Guabiroba
Campomanesia pubescens – Gabiroba do Campo
Campomanesia adamantium - Smooth Guabiroba
Plinia Nana - Dwarf Jabuticaba
Plinia 829-TBF
Plinia oblongata – Ponhema
Guapurium caipirinha
Plinia spirito-santensis
Eugenia sulcata - Beach Surinam cherry
Eugenia luschnathiana Bahia cherry
Eugenia involucrata – Rio Grande cherry
Eugenia involucrata cultivar calycina
Eugenia minutifolia - Anestor Mezzomo
Eugenia patrisii
Eugenia pitanga - Cerrado Surinam cherry
Eugenia dysenterica
Annona crassiflora
annona salzmannii
annona spinescens

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There's someone named "Herbalistics" on Facebook and Instagram that has some interesting Australian hybrids. They look fascinating to me as someone unfamiliar with them.

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I love seeing their hybrids on instagram. They have some great looking stuff.

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Just seeing this now, I really like the sapotes shirt. Cool to see them all listed together with a little picture. Doing other fruit groupings would be fun to see if you ever need more ideas. Thanks for making them!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kwai muk time to fruit
« on: January 11, 2025, 08:34:25 PM »
this is the Leu Gardens kwai muk


Wow it does look nice

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