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Citrus General Discussion / Re: UF Lemon 1-9-42 'Beatriz'
« on: March 21, 2025, 09:12:23 PM »
weevils are almost impossible to control- I found its easiest to hand control them- go out there as much as you can shake the tree and kill them, after a few weeks you'll disrupt the reproductive cycle, you won't get rid of them- but it will give the tree enough breathing room to grow new foliage.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: huanglongbing disease
« on: March 21, 2025, 09:07:27 PM »
Oranges are toast- rootstock is taking over already on those.
Grapefruit- they're still alive- but nursing them back to health probably won't be an option
i have a key Lime- that is doing ok- hasn't fruited in a while.

Meyer lemon is growing protected from psyllids.

Tango Tangerine has also resisted HLB.
All plants were acquired in 2022.

I've seen far fewer psyllids recently for whatever reason. I even used to see them on non citrus in really bad infestations. Citrus leaf miner picks up the slack- another awful pest. Key Lime seems to resist it best.

I notice Citrus is like apples up north- seems to attract every known insect pest to man.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: March 21, 2025, 05:13:58 PM »
A tree that size should be good for a dozen fruit, but I have a 6x6 Venus that is looking like I'm only going to get 1 fruit. I wonder if the root system is more important supporting fruit than the canopy. I know mango roots grow slowly.

Carrie is a strange tree- some people get nothing- others can get over a hundred on a 10x10 tree. I don't think it's alternate bearing it's just a weird plant trait

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Fruit Question
« on: March 21, 2025, 05:08:50 PM »
Agree, if they yellow now, they are pretty much gone within a few days. You can remove them usually they will fall off at the slightest touch. The tree wasn't able to support them anyway

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria Madness and Eugenia Mania
« on: March 21, 2025, 05:03:31 PM »


Eugenia rhombea - not happy with the cold, dry conditions or the sand I planted it in- this is a plant more at home in a tropical hammock with organic matter. These plants are very slow to establish- and are very thirsty- but need well drained soil. Greens and perks up in the summer- new growth is dark red.

E. axillaris dropped all its leaves- it's currently in a pot and needs to be planted. It's a little more forgiving. Flowers in late Spring- fruit mature late summer about the size of a large marble. Flowers and foliage in Spring and summer smell like old coffee grounds- pretty unique.

I'm pretty intrigued by everyone's plants. I always liked this genus, just never had time to invest on growing these from seed on a large scale



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: March 21, 2025, 04:50:19 PM »
Pineflatwoods,

Is there anything you have been doing to encourage second bloom? The fruit set on my Carrie has been abysmal. I’ll be lucky if I get 4-5 mature fruit on it, at least on the first bloom. Heavy heavy male blooms, plus very strange weather (back again into the low 40s earlier this week)! Hoping it will put out a second bloom but would certainly try to encourage that process if possible.

The only thing I can think of is physically removing the bloom during an earlier part of the year say Dec-Jan. I have had deer browse terminal panicles- only for panicles to emerge from the axillaries a few weeks later. Since my trees are still young, I did not try to encourage a second bloom. Withholding water during a dry period will encourage bloom. I suspect day length also plays a part.

Your Carrie will most likely flower again from this weeks past cold front. My Dwarf Hawaiian trees set nothing in Dec-Jan, and now I'm pulling off 2-4 marble size fruit on each panicle.
I'm wondering if this is the play with varieties like Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure that have flowers come out all male early, though PP usually sets pretty good for me.

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Good call, we definitely don't need any more imported pests here. I try to burn stuff like that, garbage is 2nd option. Compost is a no-no

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: March 21, 2025, 12:04:44 PM »
About two weeks ago I planted  a 2’ tall Angie. Now I see weird panicles with rudimentary leaves and what looks like flower buds. That stupid girl has no idea what she is doing.
Do I need to just cut them off now?

what I do especially on a little tree is let it flower, remove any fruit set, then remove the whole panicle- by that time it will be plenty warm, and the next time it will probably flush regular leaves. The long winter wants to encourage a lot of trees to keep flowering.

I'm looking at about quarter to golf ball size fruits here, a lot of trees want to flush, but cold temps are holding things back- 50 tonight and 46 tomorrow

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria Madness and Eugenia Mania
« on: March 21, 2025, 08:37:50 AM »
I'm only growing the native ones right now. E. Axillaris and E. Rhombea. Axillaris- has a small black berry that is slightly sweet- I leave it for the birds. Rhombea hasn't flowered or fruited yet. I'll try to post pictures later. I'm still looking for E. confusa- the latter two are very rare in S.Florida- mostly being found only on North Key Largo, and scattered locations in the Caribbean

If I have success, I'll try growing some of the other rare S. American ones. I like the very slow and bushy growth habit of these plants.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is it too Early?
« on: March 20, 2025, 12:30:07 PM »
I had 3-4 trees small trees that already flowered and did not fruit, that I went ahead and tipped.

Sometimes it's a gamble , there's other trees that need to be tipped that are currently carrying fruit. I'll just wait until their gone to tip. Some trees, I went ahead and tipped late last summer anyway- and they ended up flowering on the axillaries.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Pablo Custard Apple Tasting Notes
« on: March 20, 2025, 12:26:54 PM »
I'm adding this to my grow list- fruit ripens when not much is available, and is in high demand.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Pablo Custard Apple Tasting Notes
« on: March 20, 2025, 08:50:11 AM »
This has my experience with this fruit as well- flavor is ok, texture and eating around the seeds is a huge mess and hassle. Definitely a good cash crop.

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I can't even grow the low chill stonefruits where I am- all the local peaches here are small, dry and barely edible. I know they like richer soil ,well drained no standing water.

North Florida would be the place to do it, I only know peaches- but most of the newer cultivars generally do better than the older ones.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's my first time grafting
« on: March 19, 2025, 12:28:29 PM »
coming along nicely, GG. Getting a tree to fruit a year after grafting is satisfying. I planted a Tommy Atkins to practice with before I move to grafting seedlings.

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yes, it's still a small tree

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this tree ready?
« on: March 18, 2025, 12:58:24 PM »
GG, not sure in the case of this Angie, but I have several "undersize" trees holding a fruit or two- knowing full well they will flush growth on every other branch that isn't fruiting- just a thought. If it isn't meant to be - the tree will abort or shrivel up the majority of the time anyway

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I would also iterate- I am a grower, so I need fruit. If I was a backyarder with only a few trees, I would just plant disease resistant varieties. There are plenty of varieties that do fine even under extreme disease pressure.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need Help to Diagnose Panicle Problem
« on: March 18, 2025, 12:51:18 PM »
First picture is powdery mildew, second picture could be mites- I see a ton of small insects on the panicles always. Usually spiders will hang out and pick off a lot of what shows up.
Most of the products that take care of powdery mildew will also kill mites

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Super Julie mango pollinating parent?
« on: March 18, 2025, 09:56:46 AM »
Yeah, I've had fruit like that. I find SJ has a good balance of flavor, and it's one of the most consistent varieties I've tried, it doesn't vary as much like some of the other ones. Like the aforementioned Carrie- I've had some that were vile and others that were amazing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Mango season
« on: March 18, 2025, 09:52:47 AM »
that is anthracnose, you can try removing those panicles and see if you get a rebloom. If it bloomed during that wet January, there was little chance anyway with all the cold and wet.

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One or two more sprays of lighter organic treatments, I haven't seen any new infection in over a month. Anthracnose is a strange disease- it will show up and hit really hard- then slowly retreat, it will then show up again in late summer-early fall and try to affect growth flushes then. I know its always present- it just seems opportunistic at that time. It will also be much worse in very wet years- like last year when it was the 2nd or 3rd wettest year on record where I am.

 I suspect if you control it during that later stage- it will help you when it's flowering time in Dec-Mar. I'm still trying to dial it in here

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Super Julie mango pollinating parent?
« on: March 18, 2025, 09:44:34 AM »
I'd only speculate that the other pollinating parent was either a Gary or Keitt- probably the latter since, it's sweet and no hint of citrus. The tree is way more vigorous than Julie.

The super Julie mangoes I've had were basically much sweeter Julies, you get that same resinous spice flavor. If I get a fruit this year I can get a picture if I get one this year- but it's a very similar shape to Julie- color is red and not green. Somebody here said a while ago that if you are tasting more than one mango at a time- save this one for last- it's a stronger profile than many.

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Amrapalli has been a very slow grower so far- definitely a dwarf tree

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Florida Avocado Season
« on: March 16, 2025, 07:54:33 PM »
I think I'm going to use this thread as inspiration to re-plant a couple of the plants I put into pots, I just need to figure out the secret sauce in getting them to thrive.

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Yes, in my case its limestone mixed with sand. Over there they can literally be on a slab of rock with 1-2 inches of topsoil. I know there are places in Utah and Nevada where Ph can exceed 8. Great for growing a coral reef, but not plants

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