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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla
« on: March 14, 2025, 11:54:53 PM »
Lara Farms has Makok for sale now:

https://larafarmsmiami.com/products/guava-10-lb-box

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I was just gonna stick mine in the ground in a shady spot and see if they take.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant Shipping Nightmares
« on: March 14, 2025, 05:42:49 PM »
Not a plant, but an expensive purchase once sat in the Los Angeles USPS regional sort facility for over 3 months until one day it just showed up at my house out of the blue.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / San Pablo Custard Apple Seeds
« on: March 14, 2025, 05:22:36 PM »
I have a few batches of seeds from a delicious pink flesh Custard Apple, San Pablo variety. The seeds come from the fruit of a grafted tree. San Pablo is known for the red skin of the fruit and raspberry flavor. It's my understanding that the seeds will grow close to type so they are worth planting to grow as seedlings or for your grafting projects.

$1 per seed, minimum quantity of 20. Add a flat $10 for shipping regardless of quantity.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Super Has Looks a little Sad
« on: March 13, 2025, 05:20:29 PM »
A tree that size really should be flowering and flushing growth right now. That's what my Super Hass is doing.

The yard looks dry and crispy - is it getting enough water?

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Have you tried Bushel Stop? They have many locations and I get a lot of my bulk materials from them. Each location has a slightly different selection. I buy my pine bark fines and wood chip mulch from them. They carry a wide array of bulk hardscape and landscape materials in their yard.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Florida Avocado Season
« on: March 13, 2025, 12:29:34 PM »
What cold hardy varieties would you recommend for Orlando? I do not like water/slimcados

Brogdon sounds like the best fit. The taste is rich, buttery and delicious - one of the best tasting avocados that we can grow in Florida. It is also known to be relatively cold hardy.

I'm not sure on other choices. I did a long review of many avocado varieties which should give you some info on taste, texture and oil content. My top choices were Nishikawa, Booth #8, and Taylor. I'm not sure on the cold hardiness of those so check with other growers in your area. Here's the link.

https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=57345.0

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No need to worry, you will get your trees, it will just take time. I have pre-ordered a lot of stuff and it always shows up, even if the order is broken up into multiple parts. Last night I got a shipping notification for an avocado I pre-ordered back in August. It was the last tree in that order and the other items had been delivered a while back. Lots of people are waiting on these new Mamey cultivars.

I hesitate to total up all the money I've spent on trees and fruit at Lara Farms in the last couple of years. The only issue I have had is with the very small trees dying suddenly. Mamey is hard to graft and these are being shipped very young. I had 3 potted Mamey trees from Lara die on me over the winter, some over a year old, thankfully my Jamaica survived and I will be planting it soon. Make sure you don't overwater and keep a careful eye out for root rot and graft failure.

I would rather wait a few extra months and be sure I'm getting a tree that is viable. Another local nursery recently lost an entire batch of Mamey to graft failure.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 Florida Avocado Season
« on: March 12, 2025, 08:49:55 PM »
I just got an email from Lara Farms that the 1 gallon Apmay Avocado I ordered back in August has shipped and will arrive tomorrow. I may plant it very soon. I planted a 1 gallon Ronnie last year soon after getting it and the Ronnie has thrived in the ground. How long until I pick my first Apmay fruit?

My Wurtz tree is approaching 5 years old and still below waist height. I moved it last fall. It's on the verge of being replaced with a Maria Black. Right now the Wurtz has more flowers than leaves. It dropped most of its leaves and is covered in flowers. Last year it dropped all its fruit.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla Variety Box Tasting Notes
« on: March 12, 2025, 08:18:25 PM »
I'm still happy I planted this variety, I tend to make shakes from all my Sapodillas anyway. Some lime and raspberry/strawberry makes it go down real nice

I think you'll be pleased with the Gigantia, especially if the tree gives you large quantities of big fruit. I liked the sweetness and the Maraschino cherry flavor quite a bit, I think it would make an amazing milkshake blended up with coconut milk.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla
« on: March 12, 2025, 07:56:54 PM »
You got bad fruit. Where did you order it from? Try Lara Farms or Ericsson Farms.

https://ericksonfarm.3dcartstores.com/Sapodilla_c_6.html

Sapodilla is delicious. I've never had one that wasn't at least sweet and juicy. This should give you some idea on flavor, sweetness and texture:

https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=57736.0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Fest 2025!!!
« on: March 12, 2025, 07:33:58 PM »
The T-shirt design looks really cool. That mango would look more realistic with some black spots on it though  ;D

I went VIP mostly so I can get in early and do a little shopping. Am I going to have to bring a hand cart with me so I can haul my trees and fruit around?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best "Groundcovers" for Pots-
« on: March 12, 2025, 02:51:55 PM »
Nasturtiums might be a good choice for those in colder zones. They start to die back when the weather gets hot but one seed would quickly fill an entire pot and easily prevent weeds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla Variety Box Tasting Notes
« on: March 12, 2025, 01:24:09 AM »
Big thanks to Alex Salazar of Tropical Acres Farm for generously supplying the rare fruit and forum admin Murahilin for mailing it to me at his expense.



Around 10 years ago, Zill selected the Gigantia cultivar in Costa Rica and brought it to market in Florida. Nobody cared. The lonely plants sat in the back row of the nursery, saddled with a name that some struggled to pronounce consistently. It might sound Spanish, but Gigantia is a Greek word meaning “giantess” in reference to its large fruit.

Years passed and the Gigantia Sapodilla languished in relative obscurity, while customers drove three hours to buy Butterscotch trees for the sexy name and the promise of up to five fruits per year. That was until two weeks ago, when a video appeared on the internet in which a bearded man declared the Gigantia fruit the best tasting Sapodilla in the world. Alex Salazar, who grows the fruit, was far less enthusiastic. So what does it actually taste like? Let's find out with a...

Gigantia Sapodilla Tasting
General Notes: While not truly gigantic, these are among the larger sapodilla I have tried. The fruit has striations that emerge with increasing ripeness. Like I have observed in other Sapotaceae, larger fruit tend to have more seeds. The Gigantia fruit I tried had an average of 4 seeds per fruit with a few shards of partial or unfertilized seed coats as well. The flesh is caramel colored with some hints of orange.

Texture: When fully ripe, the Gigantia is soft and squishy without much body. It's also completely free of any grit or latex. For me, this texture is a minus, while folks who demand a completely grit-free sapodilla might prefer Gigantia. The lack of grit and fiber could be an asset with culinary uses like milkshakes, panna cotta, and preserves.

Sweetness: Very sweet and sugar forward, but not as sweet as Excalibur. 8/10 rating on the sugar scale.

Flavor: The sweetness is offset by a slight tang and moderately strong flavor. I taste cherry cordial with amaretto and hints of cinammon. This truly delightful primary flavor is distinct from other Sapodilla. However, some bites are watery and almost flavorless while others are quite flavorful.

Rating: Sugar or spice? How about both? The Gigantia is the rare Sapodilla that balances high sugar levels with complex cherry flavor. The fruit are large and the tree has a reputation for solid production. Drawbacks include many seeds, a distractingly soft texture, and the occasional flavorless mouthful. I rate Gigantia as very good with those demerits. If you use Sapodilla for milkshakes and cooking, then you avoid the problems. Otherwise, it comes in behind Molix, Hasya and Excalibur. Not the best ever but not completely lame.



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I've seen areas in my field that went from white sand to dark crumbly humas rich sand just allowing the weeds to grow and not mowing.

Good point, I think ideally you have the green mulch (grass clippings, yard waste) working in concert with your wood chips and companion plantings.

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If you are growing in a pot, and prioritizing low vigor, I think the classic choice would be Silas Wood which is productive, precocious and can be kept small. Makok would also work fine but it makes tiny fruit. Alano is sometimes described as dwarf and could be trained/pruned to a smaller tree but I don't think it's a true dwarf like Silas Wood or Makok.

Sapodilla in general can be a slow grower in the early years. Especially further north, you might be ok growing almost any variety in a pot for 5-10 years. Maybe get one Silas Wood as an insurance policy and then a Molix for flavor. The cross pollination will help production.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best "Groundcovers" for Pots-
« on: March 10, 2025, 03:59:27 PM »
How about Cuban Oregano? I've been experimenting with it under my planted trees. It might be a little too vigorous, but it speads easily and propagates from a small cutting. It also looks beauitful.

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Would finger lime grow in your zone?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What Mangoes Should I Grow?
« on: March 10, 2025, 11:26:32 AM »
Rob, feel free to follow your heart with your choices. For my goals, I avoided commonly available, traditional varieties. Hadens and Kents are falling off trees in neighborhoods and parks, and for sale on the side of the road. I want to grow something new, fresh and better. The Zill family have launched mango flavor into another dimension. Here in Florida we have ethnic populations from Jamaica, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, Trinidad, Puerto Rico and elsewhere. The flavor profiles of mangoes preserved by those cultures (Ice Cream, Lemon Meringue, Bombay, Julie) have been spliced into our taste vocabulary, resulting in an overwhelming  array of mango flavors to explore and grow. There is no "Florida Mango" flavor, just a spirit of discovery and striving for better with hundreds and hundreds of options.

Why cover the same ground as everybody else in your area? If every Aussie already grows that same handful of varieties, they are abundant and easy to find. I see no value in duplicating that. Grow something you can't buy at the store. But make certain you are getting grafted trees of those varieties and not seedlings.

Haden isn't bad, but for me there are many better options. It's also a big tree and very common here. Old news. Fruit Punch has a decent flavor and the taste hints at the artificially flavored red fruit drink. My friend grows Turpentine mangoes and I found them surprisingly delicious - intense, juicy, and sweet but so fibrous you can hear it when you bite one. Turpentine is for hardcores only. Here are videos that compares the citrus mangoes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzNKUIW0OFU
https://youtu.be/-X7ttq1nugY?si=wHhpGWhc0r_07OvJ

Mango is a large commercial operation in Australia with a lot of government input likely far exceeding anything happening in Florida.

Really? American botanists undertook expeditions to acquire fruits like mango for some years before Australia even became a commonwealth in 1901. David Fairchild, Laurence Zill and other legendary figures have contributed to a Florida mango culture that now aids the home grower more than the commercial producer. Your government has a DPI breeding program aimed at developing a handful of commercial selections based on existing flavor expectations. That sounds boring to me.

https://www.daf.qld.gov.au/business-priorities/agriculture/research/projects/mango

White I admire your love for your country, might that be clouding your objectivity? As the Bible says, "Kensington Pride goeth before a fall"  :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla Variety Box Tasting Notes
« on: March 09, 2025, 07:19:51 PM »
See if you can find a Rivas. If I can get any, will pm.

Cool, I would be happy to pay for the fruit and the postage if you can find them. If anybody has any of the varieties not yet tasted, the same applies. I might also be able to pick up the fruit, if my schedule permits.

Im waiting for ur taste test of the said above.

That might end up stretching into next season. I have most of them planted but they are not producing yet. Next year I can be more systematic about chasing down the rest of them.

Alex Salazar of Tropical Acres was kind enough to hook me up with a few Gigantia fruit. Right now they are sitting on the counter ripening. Counting down the hours until I get to taste them and share my impression. I hope I can remain an objective judge in the face of recent video hype and pronunciation issues!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Our Friend Rain takes the Plunge
« on: March 09, 2025, 07:04:27 PM »
Good luck Rain! Looking forward to a video review of the fruit in a couple years  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2025 grafting list
« on: March 07, 2025, 11:29:35 AM »
Sounds like a very nice and up-to-date selection!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nurseries to visit in West Palm Beach
« on: March 06, 2025, 11:52:42 PM »
I almost forgot Tropical Acres. They are right by I-95, just make sure you call ahead before you go, they are appointment only.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nurseries to visit in West Palm Beach
« on: March 06, 2025, 10:05:07 PM »
If you are coming South from Vero then be sure to stop at Nelson Family Farms in Fort Pierce at the Midway exit. They have a huge selection of fruit trees and also sell fruit.

Fig Casa is also pretty much on the way down in Port St. Lucie and not far from Nelson. Just make sure to call ahead and talk to Sandra. She has tons of stuff on her farm which is a few miles West on Germany Canal Road.

Jack and the Beanstalk is an absolute must for selection and quantity, Catherine has SO MUCH AWESOME STUFF. I stopped going to Love Nursery, but maybe it's gotten better in the last year.

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Miles, I have seen Mamey fruit that hangs on the tree for some time past the core season. Your best bet for Autumn would be to stretch a Summer variety like Lorito or Key West into October and maybe slightly beyond.

JR561 you are right, the Jamaica tree at TREC was planted a long time ago by (I hope I am remembering this correctly) Carl Campbell in 1972. You know, the dad of Richard Campbell down in Homestead. Julian started talking about it in videos just about two years ago. Maybe it's hype or maybe it just flew under the radar for a long time until people started digging deeper into TREC for inspiration or maybe even unique video content. It might end up as a bust, but a winter Mamey with top flavor is worth a throw of the dice. My tree goes in the ground in the next few weeks.

Unlike mango, there probably isn't much demand or financial reward for developing new Mamey varieties. It's also difficult to propagate. Maybe those factors explain the lack of innovation? I hope that we can improve the knowledge base and options available to growers and Mamey lovers. Too bad it's going to be a slow process.


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