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Re: 2025 Spring Yangmei (Myrica rubra) Group Buy
« Reply #100 on: February 13, 2025, 04:36:52 PM »
I have a bag of patio plus and a bag of perlite on hand so I’ll probably use them.
Last round I used a big pot so it was a pain to move it around and bottom heating it.
This round I’ll try 4” to 5” pot so I could wrap heating pad around it.

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« Reply #101 on: February 13, 2025, 06:54:16 PM »
Anyone have any recommendation on the type of soil they’ll be using for these new acquired trees?

Some people use a mix of 1/5 coconut coir, 1/5 perlite, and 3/5 original garden soil or light acidic soil, planting it in a 5 to 7 gallon size container. Always keep the pot moisturized.
 
Wrapping the branches with parafilm is a great way to prevent trees from drying out in the early stages.


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« Reply #102 on: February 13, 2025, 06:55:42 PM »
Anyone have any recommendation on the type of soil they’ll be using for these new acquired trees?

Since you are in SoCal I’d recommend Top Pot from Laguna Hills Nursery. I grow everything in it but I mix my own. These are growing 1 year in 5g pots.



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« Reply #103 on: February 13, 2025, 06:59:25 PM »
The order has been placed. Hopefully, we’ll receive our trees next Thursday or Friday (2/20–2/21), depending on the grower’s schedule.

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« Reply #104 on: February 13, 2025, 07:00:11 PM »
I have a bag of patio plus and a bag of perlite on hand so I’ll probably use them.
Last round I used a big pot so it was a pain to move it around and bottom heating it.
This round I’ll try 4” to 5” pot so I could wrap heating pad around it.

I wouldn't use patio plus, it's somewhat hot with chicken manure.  Try peat moss and coir blend, perlite, vermiculite,  and decomposed granite mix.
Grow mainly fruits, vegetables, and herbs.

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« Reply #105 on: February 13, 2025, 07:52:00 PM »
reading everyone comment of what potting soil to use. So i'm not suppose to plant it straight to the ground?

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« Reply #106 on: February 13, 2025, 08:53:07 PM »
reading everyone comment of what potting soil to use. So i'm not suppose to plant it straight to the ground?
No...it needs to be in a pot to be in a protected area so it doesn't get desiccated while recovering.
Needs a shady place with high humidity.

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« Reply #107 on: February 13, 2025, 08:56:04 PM »
Id be interested in 5 or so.  I’m in San Diego

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« Reply #108 on: February 13, 2025, 09:26:32 PM »
reading everyone comment of what potting soil to use. So i'm not suppose to plant it straight to the ground?
No...it needs to be in a pot to be in a protected area so it doesn't get desiccated while recovering.
Needs a shady place with high humidity.
ah, Thank you Jabo. I'll prepare my pots and shaded area now

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« Reply #109 on: February 13, 2025, 09:52:21 PM »
Hi I’m new to Yangmei but just potted a small tree with EB Stone Acid Mix. About 10% added perlite. Not planning on keeping it too long because I noticed some galls on the roots. Hoping to get a few grafts to take first. Has anyone else used the soil below? I’ve used EB Stone for years and it seems to be the best for bagged soil mix.

https://www.ebstone.org/product/azalea-camellia-acid-mix/

Bill I’ll be emailing too. Does anyone know if these will come free if any rkn? Thanks

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« Reply #110 on: February 13, 2025, 10:19:58 PM »
Is there a list of varieties with their best matches for flowering times?

Any lists or preferences of the sweetest and best eating off tree types?

Black Gaofeng, Late Biqi and White Crystal look pretty good. Anyone have experiences eating these?

Can Biqi and Dongkui get by with an early or mid flowering male?

Thanks

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Re: 2025 Spring Yangmei (Myrica rubra) Group Buy
« Reply #111 on: February 14, 2025, 12:10:33 AM »
Hi I’m new to Yangmei but just potted a small tree with EB Stone Acid Mix. About 10% added perlite. Not planning on keeping it too long because I noticed some galls on the roots. Hoping to get a few grafts to take first. Has anyone else used the soil below? I’ve used EB Stone for years and it seems to be the best for bagged soil mix.

https://www.ebstone.org/product/azalea-camellia-acid-mix/

Bill I’ll be emailing too. Does anyone know if these will come free if any rkn? Thanks
RKN are ubiquitous definitely expect them, especially since trees are coming with soil
RKN are part of healthy soils too, but why potentially create an imbalance that could wreck your soil?
I’ve been buying up hecka tons of rootstock for future grafting


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« Reply #112 on: February 14, 2025, 12:33:35 AM »
Jaboticaba45 thanks for the reply. I just grabbed a Pacific Wax Myrtle for grafting. What have you had the best results with? And what varieties do you grow?
[/quote]RKN are ubiquitous definitely expect them, especially since trees are coming with soil
RKN are part of healthy soils too, but why potentially create an imbalance that could wreck your soil?
I’ve been buying up hecka tons of rootstock for future grafting
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« Reply #113 on: February 14, 2025, 11:31:14 AM »
Jaboticaba45 thanks for the reply. I just grabbed a Pacific Wax Myrtle for grafting. What have you had the best results with? And what varieties do you grow?
RKN are ubiquitous definitely expect them, especially since trees are coming with soil
RKN are part of healthy soils too, but why potentially create an imbalance that could wreck your soil?
I’ve been buying up hecka tons of rootstock for future grafting
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Just so people don’t get confused, RKN is not part of a healthy soil. It is extremely bad for the soil. There are beneficial Nematodes that can be part of a healthy soil but RKN is extremely bad. It’s so bad that some states have restrictions on growers when growing out plants and it’s also one of the reasons that, as far as im aware, that trees usually are to be shipped bare rooted. Plants, especially if shipped with soil make it difficult for USDA to inspect.

I’ve heard of plants being shipped with a red clay type soil that could could potentially hide RKN galls. If one tree in a shipment has galls, I would automatically assume all trees could potentially be infected with RKN.

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« Reply #114 on: February 14, 2025, 12:08:57 PM »
Jaboticaba45 thanks for the reply. I just grabbed a Pacific Wax Myrtle for grafting. What have you had the best results with? And what varieties do you grow?
RKN are ubiquitous definitely expect them, especially since trees are coming with soil
RKN are part of healthy soils too, but why potentially create an imbalance that could wreck your soil?
I’ve been buying up hecka tons of rootstock for future grafting
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Just so people don’t get confused, RKN is not part of a healthy soil. It is extremely bad for the soil. There are beneficial Nematodes that can be part of a healthy soil but RKN is extremely bad. It’s so bad that some states have restrictions on growers when growing out plants and it’s also one of the reasons that, as far as im aware, that trees usually are to be shipped bare rooted. Plants, especially if shipped with soil make it difficult for USDA to inspect.

I’ve heard of plants being shipped with a red clay type soil that could could potentially hide RKN galls. If one tree in a shipment has galls, I would automatically assume all trees could potentially be infected with RKN.
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I do agree with you on that Simon..., but RKN is still going to be there. Small infections of RKN are nearly ubiquitous.
In fact, small amounts of RKN can stimulate plant growth.
But in regular soils it is counteracted with other nematodes and several other factors. The main problem is when they become out of control due to other factors being damaged...They proliferate from the trees in china because it is a warm climate with clay. And I am sure their growing practices are not like ours here.
In fact, most tropical fruit trees we grow are resistant/or don't get damaged to a detrimental extent....Mango, Lychee, Jabos....lots of rootstock we use are RKN resistant like turpentine mango in FL, and many stone fruit stuff. My take is to make sure to have healthy soils and encourage lots of microorganisms to be active.

RKN buries into the roots, so even if trees are bare root, they are still in the roots. And USDA inspected last shipment and knew they were there, but let them pass inspection because they are already here.

Now, just because USDA lets them through doesn't mean I'm gonna plant them out. All my trees are now on cerifera rootstock (including the very nice tree I got from you ;D). I am with you on that, why put more of them into the ground?

For example, people in Florida grow many cool tropical fruits, but they struggle with figs because they are sensitive to RKN. There is RKN present in Florida sand, but that doesn't hinder the vast majority of other fruit trees planted there. It's a balance that needs to be achieved.

I do believe though, we should be cautious and it is very wise to keep your plants in pots with a container underneath until you can get native rootstock and graft it out.

Most of the info I'm stating came from my soil science class, but I do encourage people to go read the literature and make their own decision.

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« Reply #115 on: February 14, 2025, 12:10:12 PM »
Jaboticaba45 thanks for the reply. I just grabbed a Pacific Wax Myrtle for grafting. What have you had the best results with? And what varieties do you grow?
RKN are ubiquitous definitely expect them, especially since trees are coming with soil
RKN are part of healthy soils too, but why potentially create an imbalance that could wreck your soil?
I’ve been buying up hecka tons of rootstock for future grafting
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I have been using myrica cerifera. but other have had success using pennyslvanica and californica.
I just like cerifera because it is native around the SE USA where I am located.

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« Reply #116 on: February 14, 2025, 12:50:26 PM »
I have tried Pennyslvanica a couple of times, it didn't work for me. The entire thing, rootstock and all, ended up croaking. I may have trimmed off too many branches in my attempt.

Jaboticaba45 thanks for the reply. I just grabbed a Pacific Wax Myrtle for grafting. What have you had the best results with? And what varieties do you grow?
RKN are ubiquitous definitely expect them, especially since trees are coming with soil
RKN are part of healthy soils too, but why potentially create an imbalance that could wreck your soil?
I’ve been buying up hecka tons of rootstock for future grafting
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I have been using myrica cerifera. but other have had success using pennyslvanica and californica.
I just like cerifera because it is native around the SE USA where I am located.
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« Last Edit: February 14, 2025, 12:54:01 PM by Sir Graftalot »

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« Reply #117 on: February 14, 2025, 02:35:02 PM »
Jaboticaba45 thanks for the reply. I just grabbed a Pacific Wax Myrtle for grafting. What have you had the best results with? And what varieties do you grow?
RKN are ubiquitous definitely expect them, especially since trees are coming with soil
RKN are part of healthy soils too, but why potentially create an imbalance that could wreck your soil?
I’ve been buying up hecka tons of rootstock for future grafting

Just so people don’t get confused, RKN is not part of a healthy soil. It is extremely bad for the soil. There are beneficial Nematodes that can be part of a healthy soil but RKN is extremely bad. It’s so bad that some states have restrictions on growers when growing out plants and it’s also one of the reasons that, as far as im aware, that trees usually are to be shipped bare rooted. Plants, especially if shipped with soil make it difficult for USDA to inspect.

I’ve heard of plants being shipped with a red clay type soil that could could potentially hide RKN galls. If one tree in a shipment has galls, I would automatically assume all trees could potentially be infected with RKN.
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I do agree with you on that Simon..., but RKN is still going to be there. Small infections of RKN are nearly ubiquitous.
In fact, small amounts of RKN can stimulate plant growth.
But in regular soils it is counteracted with other nematodes and several other factors. The main problem is when they become out of control due to other factors being damaged...They proliferate from the trees in china because it is a warm climate with clay. And I am sure their growing practices are not like ours here.
In fact, most tropical fruit trees we grow are resistant/or don't get damaged to a detrimental extent....Mango, Lychee, Jabos....lots of rootstock we use are RKN resistant like turpentine mango in FL, and many stone fruit stuff. My take is to make sure to have healthy soils and encourage lots of microorganisms to be active.

RKN buries into the roots, so even if trees are bare root, they are still in the roots. And USDA inspected last shipment and knew they were there, but let them pass inspection because they are already here.

Now, just because USDA lets them through doesn't mean I'm gonna plant them out. All my trees are now on cerifera rootstock (including the very nice tree I got from you ;D). I am with you on that, why put more of them into the ground?

For example, people in Florida grow many cool tropical fruits, but they struggle with figs because they are sensitive to RKN. There is RKN present in Florida sand, but that doesn't hinder the vast majority of other fruit trees planted there. It's a balance that needs to be achieved.

I do believe though, we should be cautious and it is very wise to keep your plants in pots with a container underneath until you can get native rootstock and graft it out.

Most of the info I'm stating came from my soil science class, but I do encourage people to go read the literature and make their own decision.
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Hey Jaboticaba45,

I can’t seem to be able to find any articles on RKN actually promoting plant growth in small amounts. I used to do research on plant growth promoting bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi but I’ve never read anything about it helping plants.

Here’s a typical article on RKN in case anyone is not aware of the horrible issues RKN can cause.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0885576524003321


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« Reply #118 on: February 14, 2025, 03:35:29 PM »
Jaboticaba45 thanks for the reply. I just grabbed a Pacific Wax Myrtle for grafting. What have you had the best results with? And what varieties do you grow?
RKN are ubiquitous definitely expect them, especially since trees are coming with soil
RKN are part of healthy soils too, but why potentially create an imbalance that could wreck your soil?
I’ve been buying up hecka tons of rootstock for future grafting

Just so people don’t get confused, RKN is not part of a healthy soil. It is extremely bad for the soil. There are beneficial Nematodes that can be part of a healthy soil but RKN is extremely bad. It’s so bad that some states have restrictions on growers when growing out plants and it’s also one of the reasons that, as far as im aware, that trees usually are to be shipped bare rooted. Plants, especially if shipped with soil make it difficult for USDA to inspect.

I’ve heard of plants being shipped with a red clay type soil that could could potentially hide RKN galls. If one tree in a shipment has galls, I would automatically assume all trees could potentially be infected with RKN.
I do agree with you on that Simon..., but RKN is still going to be there. Small infections of RKN are nearly ubiquitous.
In fact, small amounts of RKN can stimulate plant growth.
But in regular soils it is counteracted with other nematodes and several other factors. The main problem is when they become out of control due to other factors being damaged...They proliferate from the trees in china because it is a warm climate with clay. And I am sure their growing practices are not like ours here.
In fact, most tropical fruit trees we grow are resistant/or don't get damaged to a detrimental extent....Mango, Lychee, Jabos....lots of rootstock we use are RKN resistant like turpentine mango in FL, and many stone fruit stuff. My take is to make sure to have healthy soils and encourage lots of microorganisms to be active.

RKN buries into the roots, so even if trees are bare root, they are still in the roots. And USDA inspected last shipment and knew they were there, but let them pass inspection because they are already here.

Now, just because USDA lets them through doesn't mean I'm gonna plant them out. All my trees are now on cerifera rootstock (including the very nice tree I got from you ;D). I am with you on that, why put more of them into the ground?

For example, people in Florida grow many cool tropical fruits, but they struggle with figs because they are sensitive to RKN. There is RKN present in Florida sand, but that doesn't hinder the vast majority of other fruit trees planted there. It's a balance that needs to be achieved.

I do believe though, we should be cautious and it is very wise to keep your plants in pots with a container underneath until you can get native rootstock and graft it out.

Most of the info I'm stating came from my soil science class, but I do encourage people to go read the literature and make their own decision.
[/quote]

Hey Jaboticaba45,

I can’t seem to be able to find any articles on RKN actually promoting plant growth in small amounts. I used to do research on plant growth promoting bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi but I’ve never read anything about it helping plants.

Here’s a typical article on RKN in case anyone is not aware of the horrible issues RKN can cause.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0885576524003321
[/quote]


plants will produce certain hormones when injured/infected which will increase certain hormones that will encourage root growth like ethylene.


But that is not my main point. My main point is that RKN is everywhere and is present in even healthy soils
and despite them being there, they are not a big problem due to factors of the bacteria, nematode, and fungi interface present in the soil. A gram of healthy soil can have over a billion microorganisms...it is a war zone down there with different species and types of life killing and eating each other.

The horrible effects of RKN like you mention in big agriculture are mostly found in monocrops where basic soil ideas like crop rotation are not in play allowing for a build of of nematodes over time.
Which is not really applicable to the home grower.
As home growers, utilizing cover crops like some brassicas will break down and release compounds that kill RKN. Like I said, I believe the best way to combat them if you do have a major known problem is using a balance by promoting healthy soil, using appropriate roostocks, and introducing beneficial microorganisms like nematodes that eat RKN.

Now I do agree with you it is not wise to plant out potential RKN infested plants coming overseas. The soil microbiome is going to be very different which can cause an imbalance in your soil. 8)

"Root-knot nematodes (RKNs) are ubiquitous parasites with an amazing capacity to interact with a very large variety of plant species."
https://doi.org/10.1016/bs.abr.2015.01.001

"Root-knot nematodes pose a significant threat to agricultural production all over the world. They are ubiquitous, polyphagous, sedentary endoparasites and belong to genus, Meloidogyne. These biotrophic pathogens establish and maintain an intimate interaction with their host plants."
https://doi.org/10.1007/s10343-023-00886-5

Nice we could have a talk Simon! I admire all that you have done with yangmei.
Best,
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« Reply #119 on: February 14, 2025, 04:39:32 PM »
Hey Ryan,

I agree with you that RKN is in many soils already.

If you don’t currently have it in your soil, I would recommend doing everything possible to keep them out of your soil.

For those people ordering trees that could potentially have RKN, there are multiple ways to potentially prevent cross contamination into your soil.

If any root galls are detected in any of the plants, it’s best to treat the plants. I posted this in several other threads already but there are beneficial nematodes that can kill RKN.

There are also mushroom species such as King Stropharia. This mushroom produces acanthocytes which are spine like projections that can kill certain species of nematodes.

Here’s a bit more information

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1449000/

Avoiding the cross contamination of potentially infected soil and water is one of the best ways avoid infecting your soil.

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« Reply #120 on: February 14, 2025, 07:02:11 PM »
Anyone have any recommendation on the type of soil they’ll be using for these new acquired trees?

Since you are in SoCal I’d recommend Top Pot from Laguna Hills Nursery. I grow everything in it but I mix my own. These are growing 1 year in 5g pots.



Thank you. I will look into this since it would be on the way to pick up the trees. I was looking at 15 gallon pots but I’ll look into the 5-7 range as others also mentioned this size.

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« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2025, 08:39:25 AM »
Hi guys, I plan on treating my Yangmei trees for RKN upon arrival, like Simon recommends.  I'm going to use the Monterey Nematode Control as recommended by Simon.  I went to my local Home Depot and it was on clearance!  I bought some extra bottles.  They are normally $47 each plus tax.  I'm selling these extra bottles for $30 each.  You can pickup in Long Beach or I can drop some extra bottles off when I pickup my trees from the Orange County location.  Or I could ship them for $8-10 each.  Send me a PM if interested.





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Does this actually work? Do I drench the roots in this when it comes? Or spray it?

We (knock on wood) dont have RKN as far as I know and I’m hoping to keep it that way. Sounds like the recccomended option is to graft the tree onto Myrica cerifera?

I will be looking through all the rkn informaton posted here later but a basic summarization would be great 👏

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« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2025, 09:39:46 AM »
For you newbies, welcome to this forum, I recognize you from the other forum.

If you read this whole post, you will note that Bill already stopped taking any more orders for this 2025 group buy, it ended a few days ago.

This message is for Ralphtran, and LoPresti. We had 4-5 group orders of Yangmei, this one is over (as for placing orders), but you may be able to get in on the next order if someone decides to do one.
 

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« Reply #123 on: February 15, 2025, 11:05:42 AM »
Sc4001992 Howdy friend good to see you here on such a unique forum.

Jaboticaba45, Simon_grow, Sir Graftalot Thanks for the info! Appreciate.

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« Reply #124 on: February 15, 2025, 11:15:49 AM »
LoPresti, good to see you joined. If you like to read, Simon has started this yangmei post in 2022, it has a lot of good information but may take you days to read it all.

https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=46678.0

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