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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papayas without the vomit taste
« on: November 23, 2021, 02:19:52 PM »
Red Lady can grow 20 feet in 2-3 years in full sun south Florida. Under less than full sun they grow taller faster.
One interesting thing you could do in greenhouse is if it gets too large, dig it up partially or lay the pot over and it will turn upwards again with fruiting stem nearly horizontal. May be troube for watering but perhaps a repot after laying over would work.

This doesn't work so well for me in-ground it puts fruit down low for vermin but in a greenhouse that would be an option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GVITQBS8Q0

I've seen some cruel looking bonsai style mutilations which actually heal over where the trunk is intentionally split into fourths vertically to allow laying over. I had one by the roadside get crushed and it healed and is regrowing upwards. Might be a fun option.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Deadly apple tree in Florida
« on: November 23, 2021, 01:54:06 PM »
My question is why don't the get eradicated if it is a noxious plant? Is there some benefit?
It is a native plant and many others are poisonous just need to respect plants in nature. The manchineel is a successful beach plant which serves to reduce erosion. Also we have more than enough invasives to try and eradicate. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I Get Larger Jujubes?
« on: November 22, 2021, 01:30:29 PM »
  Here is an article specific to jujube.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://horticulturejournal.usamv.ro/pdf/2015/art5.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjAh9Cqiar0AhVMQTABHcKfCi8QFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0LksY1oHu4q72Q5MiAEo8o
Be aware the link is for the Chinese Jujube not Indian jujube. The Chinese type is more adapted to cooler zones.
Indian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziziphus_mauritiana

Chinese:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujube

Maybe it was a leap in logic, but I assumed that physiological response should not differ much. As I recall, there are even hybrids between the two. I have been doing some experimenting on this myself and will report back if I find anything of interest.
In checking I saw that some work is being done on hybrids but not between the two species but only within the two species jujuba x jujuba and mauritiana x mauritiana. I like the Chinese type and even made some fantastic "mock dates" by cooking them in syrup and drying them. The Indian types are a nice crispy apple during winter but overripe so very fast.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Deadly apple tree in Florida
« on: November 22, 2021, 01:15:26 PM »
On the surface, the Manchineel seems harmless: A green, leafy tree bearing fruits that resemble green apples.

But don't be fooled: Everything from the bark, sap and fruit can be incredibly dangerous to humans.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tripideas/little-apple-of-death-tree-found-in-south-florida-named-worlds-deadliest/ar-AAQPwRj?li=BBnb7Kz
Man, this has really been circulating around social media, saw it twice last week. Yes it is toxic. VERY common tree lining the beaches of many Caribbean islands. Some of the hype warns people to not breathe the air around them!

I used to live down the street from Butler Bay USVI which is covered with these trees and yes you don't touch them but folks camp and picnic underneath them all the time.
video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaljquXxCC8

However, regarding "most deadly tree" status a retrospective of 97 cases of fruit ingestion the dumbasses had burned mouths and stomach aches, none died.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0041010119300558

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I Get Larger Jujubes?
« on: November 21, 2021, 03:39:42 PM »
Does the tree have thorns? If so you probably have the rootstock not the grafted top scion of Thai Giant. Most growers in my area prune VERY hard every year, down to a waist high stump. The smaller tree might limit fruit number and develop less but larger fruit. Maybe you could try thinning.
   No thorns. In fact, I bought them in your neck of the woods, at the old Tree Haus nursery in Bokeelia. I used to prune aggressively, but haven't in a few years and these trees have gotten huge.
Yes, I bought a part of the Treehouse property, near the front.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I Get Larger Jujubes?
« on: November 21, 2021, 10:05:34 AM »
Does the tree have thorns? If so you probably have the rootstock not the grafted top scion of Thai Giant. Most growers in my area prune VERY hard every year, down to a waist high stump. The smaller tree might limit fruit number and develop less but larger fruit. Maybe you could try thinning.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papayas without the vomit taste
« on: November 21, 2021, 10:01:56 AM »
Alohaseeds was sold out of Red lady 2 years ago and I bought Improved Red Maradol. Fruit seemed equivalent and very good flavor. One plant had non-typical very small fruit though, but only one out of 50 seeds. The method they use to prevent including male plants. By doing that, you can grow vigorous seedlings to the ideal size of 12" tall and transplant to ground very easily and be assured of a productive plant. The F1 hybrids do load up with an enormous crop of 100 pounds or more. Because of that they are subject to toppling and breaking over in wind. Plant them in full sun away from other plants so they don't begin to lean when they are more vulnerable to wind breakage. If they get leaned over be sure to straighten them if possible. I left some leaning just a little and the load eventually broke them, losing 500 pounds of green fruit.

The fruit load problem continues if you coppice the plants and the sprouts start out growing horizontal "arms". If those load up they frequently break off under the load.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What’s Wrong With My Lemon Meringue Tree?
« on: November 18, 2021, 04:37:54 PM »
Once PPK gets going it is a fairly vertical grower and as vigorous as any.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Baobab trees in pots?
« on: November 17, 2021, 07:02:21 PM »
Probably your best bet would be to grow multiple seedlings then graft mature budwood from a fruiting specimen.
If you have success it would certainly be a source of pride and story of determination despite tough odds!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What’s Wrong With My Lemon Meringue Tree?
« on: November 15, 2021, 07:34:02 PM »
A member here had a LM/PPK over a year doing exactly the same. I gave him a quart of Nutricote Total 180 day 100% slow release 18-6-8. Within a few months that kicked it into gear.
Hard to say which may have actually done the job because it has everything including the minors.
Try it for $14?
https://www.amazon.com/Nutricote-18-6-8-Total-Release-Fertilizer/dp/B07PW3NSVB?th=1
Datasheet:
https://www.arysta-na.com/Nutricote/files/NUT_18-6-8_PIS.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pinkglow pinapple
« on: November 15, 2021, 07:58:55 AM »
This is circulating on Facebook and it looks genuine. Sanwa Farmer's market is located in Tampa and has the largest selection of veg/fruit I have ever seen in this area, specializing in Asian and ethnic world foods packaged and fresh. The entire veg area is cooled down to around 50 degrees so Floridians should bring a sweater to browse. Either this is a major "loss leader" or the price of Pinkglow has crashed.
It would be prudent to call and ask about current availability.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 100 gallon pot options?
« on: November 13, 2021, 08:13:16 PM »
Check AGRX in Goleta For IBC type totes. These are used here for sulfuric acid delivery. You should be able to find a used one for cheap or free. You also may want to consider a MacroBin with a lining.  They should be about $200 new. Congrats on the great looking jaboticaba.

I have considered those field picking bins for raised bed gardens.
I do see them around also for Veg picking.
48"x40"x31"H

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pinkglow pinapple
« on: November 10, 2021, 05:04:18 PM »
If you search the forum there is another member here who has gotten seed to germinate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How do you fight papaya fruit fly?
« on: November 10, 2021, 05:00:49 PM »
I am getting pretty clean fruit. Now that temps went down papaya fruit fly pressure get lower. The fruit set during summer has enough size now and time on the trees to ripen. That has been my experience the past few years, papaya harvest season in fall through winter is best. This year most of my papaya is coming from ones planted spring 2020 so they are on their second season. I also have some plants on their third season which are bearing on coppiced branches.

Unfortunately, the recent cold front winds brought down about 500 pounds to the ground. I did put them into my vermiculture so they didn't get wasted. Bottom line, last weekend I was able to sell 60 pounds.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pinkglow pinapple
« on: November 09, 2021, 09:03:02 AM »
Are the crowns cut off or twisted off?

If they’ve been twisted off there might be no primordial root tissue left.

But if they’ve just been sliced off, this video shows propagation from just a thin disc of crown material:

https://youtu.be/T9Qwbw7r8GY
Hey that was a great video good explanation I expect many of the Pinkglows have been cut high enough to have material available for this. I'll be on the lookout for a store specimen instead of ordering, maybe there will be a choice of them and can spot one which has the disc available.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best avocado
« on: November 09, 2021, 08:46:45 AM »
For home use one of my favorites has been Brogdon. I say that because:
-a good ripe one has decent oil content and flavor
-they are early to mid season coming in around when the mango glut is done
- bears consistently for me
- easy to tell when it is ready, pick when almost fully black and they will be good.
One possible problem with one tree is pollination.
 


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mango likes full sun. It takes a lot of photosynthesis to make fruits like mango. Growing in shade will create a tall spindly plant that is apically dominant and spends most of it's energy trying to find what it needs, the sun, instead of fruiting. I can't find it but have a photo of a mango planted under an oak tree it grew nearly horizontal for about 10 feet till it got out from under the tree then finally began normal growth upwards where it could outcompete the oak.
Being a water oak, in 20 years or so the oak will come down leaving the mango tree very happy to take it's place.

 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: my first taste of Sweet Tart
« on: October 28, 2021, 06:44:12 PM »
The 2 or 3 yrs old graft gave us 2 good size fruits this year. We ate one this morning and it was so good. Perfect texture, very dense, and the sweet and tart was perfectly balance. Anyone know its lineage?
Gary Zill s saying the lineage is from his "Zill Indochinese (ZINC)"

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first Banana plant.
« on: October 27, 2021, 11:20:20 PM »
You did well. Genetic potential on Bluggoe is about six hands so you did it!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starfruit- Anyone Growing It ?
« on: October 27, 2021, 11:17:38 PM »
pineislander, that's a lot of nice looking fruit they have. Do they make use of those fruits by selling it at a fruit stand or making juice ?
No they pull off the fruit and let it rot. This is Brooks Tropicals a major wholesaler. Likely much of US production comes from the 40 acre farm.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starfruit- Anyone Growing It ?
« on: October 27, 2021, 07:58:36 AM »
It is a very fragile fruit so all of it that gets shipped are picked hard green. That is why storebought fruit has very poor flavor. The ripe fruit is good. One of the largest producing farms is just down the street from me. They pick green fruit daily for many weeks but eventually the fruit on the trees gets too ripe to ship. At that point they pull all the ripe fruit off the trees and throw it down. I caught the sight and took a picture:



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Contact Corey Bigler on Pine Island he is likely to have some.
https://www.premiergrowersfl.com/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ripe sugar apple
« on: October 25, 2021, 02:02:04 PM »
Congratulations on growing tropical fruit in your zone. I like to plant them asap. If you can get them going fast now they will gain some height but mine usually go dormant during winter. Not sure about greenhouse culture.

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