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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone Know The Species Of This Plant?
« on: December 06, 2021, 11:20:55 PM »
Marcos sells Sweet Uvaia seeds, but even he does not give a specific species name. He labels his, which look the same as in your pictures, as either being Eugenia pyriformis or E. lutescens.

Non-astringent persimmons are just flavorless matter in my opinion.
Really?  I've never found them flavorless, but they're nothing like a soft persimmon.  Some people (my wife included) don't even like soft persimmons because they're turned off by the jelly-like texture.

I guess because I had astringent Hachiya and American persimmons first, the flavor of supermarket Fuyu persimmons does not excite me. I find them bland.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this a fruit? What is it?
« on: December 06, 2021, 05:14:36 AM »
Yes, Osage orange. I know it well. It is a fruit native to the United States. It is technically not considered native to California because it was not found there when Europeans first explored the continent, but there is conjecture as to how large a range it had when it was eaten (and its seeds dispersed) by now-long extinct giant ground sloths. The one you found certainly got there because a person planted it or one nearby.

Both the Osage orange and jackfruit are members of the Moraceae (mulberry) family, so that is good recognition on your part.

It is not edible. It is not poisonous and will not kill a person who eats it, but that does not mean it is edible. There are videos online of people eating it and not all of them hate it. I think that says more about their taste buds than the fruit's eating qualities. After all, Native Americans did not utilize Osage orange as a food source, which says something considering some of the other things they found ways to use. Last month, the All the Fruit YouTube channel released a video about the Osage orange (, and we talked about that very topic.

Guava seeds are quite annoying.

I like the flavor of mamoncillo, but the flesh-to-seed ratio is terrible. What flesh there is just sticks to this large seed.

I dislike how a pomegranate that looks perfectly good on the outside can be an inedible mess on the inside. Getting all the arils out is also tedious.

The worst experience of all: astringency in persimmons that aren't soft (except for the non-astringent type)!  The wateriness of avocados that are picked too early.

Non-astringent persimmons are just flavorless matter in my opinion, but I agree with you that an astringent persimmon that has not been fully ripened is not really edible. I leave nothing to chance and let mine turn almost to mush.

Latex from store bought jackfruit, I've had to throw away cutting boards because of it. I love the taste, it's just not worth the trouble.

I go outside and cut jackfruit on my plant tables. They are made of reclaimed wood, and I am not concerned whether they get latex all over them. I would never cut jackfruit on any of my good cutting boards.

I will add that the size of jackfruit is a negative. I am never going to eat all of a twenty-pound jackfruit before it goes bad, and the only grocery store in my area that carries it only sells whole jackfruits.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: November 29, 2021, 05:48:59 PM »
Thanks to those who set up the forum.   

Hi, I am a small certified Organic farmer in Valley Center, CA. Main crops are Avocados, Blueberries and Dragon Fruit. We didn't intend to have the dragon fruit take over but I think they may have surpassed the avocados now, which is what was here when we came about ten years ago.  We also grow a variety of other  tropical fruit, the Guavas seem to be doing much better than the stone fruit and apples, which are not tropical but have been grown in this area for many generations, I cannot figure that one out, but climate change is not helping lol. The gophers are teaching us that maybe container farming is the option that will work best when they are active, too many fig trees taken out the last few years! They even took out a mango seedling this year!

Hope to continue to learn from others and improve our practice, as well as finding the very best quality and flavorful fruit to grow for the food supply. Would be fun to have more friends to trade and share with as well! ;)

There have been several threads on the Forum over the years about gophers and techniques for protecting fruit trees against them. You will probably be able to find some very useful advice.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please help identify this tree
« on: November 29, 2021, 04:56:05 AM »
Agreed, not a pecan or anything closely related. I would also agree that it is probably a Ficus.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: anyone growing meiogyne cylindrocarpa?
« on: November 26, 2021, 06:09:00 PM »
Glad to hear the update, Paul. It seems that your plants and mine are acting like Har said they would, with glacially slow growth for years until they finally shoot up. I have also noticed that mine grow more horizontally than vertically. Nearly all their growth this year was horizonal growth with relatively little growth upwards; they are now wider than they are tall.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit grafting question
« on: November 25, 2021, 02:07:10 AM »
There was an article posted on the Forum a few weeks ago about an Indian grower who is the Johnny Appleseed of jackfruits. The article mentioned that, in India, grafted jackfruits do not live very long (I am not going to search for the article but I think it said 10-15 years). I wonder if all the problems you all are mentioning contribute to a short lifespan for grafted trees, even the ones where the grafts do take.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Austrailian blood lime question
« on: November 23, 2021, 06:39:27 AM »
whoa Logee is listing it at $125 now?  I swear I saw it way cheaper in their catalogs they send me but I can't find one right now.  The internet archive wayback machine shows them selling it for $40 at one point.  Maybe they discovered they have no competition?

I would ask if demand has outstripped supply, but Logee's site shows they have 78 in stock. Maybe they have had to give their grafters raises to keep them happy? Who knows? Logee's has been big with the Martha Stewart crowd of people with too much money and who are too status conscious. There could be some new recipe that just has to have Australian blood limes in it.

Maybe Madison Citrus will start offering Australian blood lime. They have great prices, frankly prices that are too good. I have to stay away from that site, since I have too many plants as it is.

That did not take long. :)

Chris, a PM has been sent to you.

I have a copy of Palmeiras Brasileiras e Exˇticas Cultivadas available for sale if anyone is interested.

Palmeiras Brasileiras e Exˇticas Cultivadas was written by Harri Lorenzi, Hermes Moreira de Souza, Jesus Tadeu de Medeiros Costa, Luiz SÚrgio Coelho de Cerqueira, and Evandro Ferreira and published in 2004 by Instituto Plantarum de Estudos da Flora Ltda. in Nova Odessa, Brazil. It is a hardcover (no dust jacket, as issued) that measures 8.625x12.125 in. (220x307 mm.) with 432 pages. The ISBN-10/ISBN-13 numbers are 8586714208/9788586714207. The text is entirely in Portuguese and is fully illustrated in color. The page layout is the same as Harri Lorenzi's other books. It is stamped with the number 005956 on the flyleaf.

This book is in good condition. The hardcover boards have some rubbing and small scratches to the surface and small corner bumping which has caused small creases, but the boards have no tears, stains, or other major damage. The binding is strong and intact. The interior is unmarked with no writing, highlighting, or underlining and has occasional soiling and small corner bumping to some pages but no tears, dog-eared pages, water stains, mold, or other major damage. The page edges have some soiling but no remainder mark, foxing, stains, or other major damage.

The price for this book is $80.

USPS Media Mail shipping included in the price. I will consider shipping it internationally if there is no interest among any American buyers with the international shipping cost to be covered by the buyer, but the book is rather heavy and shipping from the United States overseas would likely be fairly expensive.

I only accept PayPal.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Id of 2 different Myrciaria
« on: November 18, 2021, 03:45:57 PM »
The new foliage on that first plant is incredible looking, very striking.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 100 gallon pot options?
« on: November 18, 2021, 03:44:51 PM »
I prefer up-potting in spring, but frankly, I do it whenever I have time to do it. If I am busy in the spring, plants will simply get up-potted in whatever season I have time to. I have not seen any problems with this because I do not step them up into too large of a container and because they are kept fairly warm in the winter, in the 50s or above.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: annnona vine , kudsura coccinea
« on: November 18, 2021, 03:37:48 PM »
I always thought kadsura was a tree, but I see it's a vine here. I suppose I should then trellis mine?

Kadsura is definitely a vine, and one that can get large and sprawling if allowed to. I have seen photographs of it trellised or on arbors similarly to grapes and kiwis.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Baobab trees in pots?
« on: November 17, 2021, 05:45:01 PM »
Baobabs can get enormous, and even the "smaller" species get to be really big. I am not sure how you are going to convince a potted baobab that it has the right conditions to fruit in. Flowering and fruiting take a lot of energy and nutrients, but I am not sure how you are going to provide such a large tree the space and nutrients to do so.

That being said, I do not want to discourage you from growing baobabs or any other large fruit plant that is not recommended for container growing. I certainly do not practice what I preach as far as not growing plants which get too large for containers. My 8-foot tall jackfruits would tell you that.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 100 gallon pot options?
« on: November 15, 2021, 11:05:39 PM »
I found some local IBC totes in Ventura, 275 gallon, for $50. I'm going to buy one for rain water harvesting and another for the jabo. Just price wise, I think it makes most sense for me and I have an angle grinder to remove part of the cage and a portion of the top. I like square pots and I cannot lie.

AGRX, which another poster recommended, seemed really pissed I even asked for one haha. They said and I quote, "Absolutely not."

I wonder if AGRX is having supply chain issues that have put them in a sour mood.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can anyone ID this fruit or vegetable ?
« on: November 14, 2021, 08:39:31 PM »
It looks like a luffa to me, particularly how it has gone off at the top. My mother's luffas would sometimes do that.

There was a thread on this last week. Someone stated that if the crown has been cut off, there will still probably be enough material left to root, with some effort required.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: November 14, 2021, 02:16:28 AM »
You could just create a rattlesnake pit that all the gopher tunnels lead to.  That would fix the problem.

Those are some fine looking snakes. Good rodent killers. Unfortunately, rattlesnakes are getting rarer. I have only seen a couple way out in the country, and that was years ago. Now, to put that rarity in perspective, my yard is filled with rat snakes which I see often, and I found a pair of copperheads in my daylilies this summer. It is wooded and not in a particularly urban area, but people have done their best to wipe out rattlesnakes where I live.

Very interesting. It looks like something which would make a good container plant, although the Useful Tropical Plants site ( says that it can get up to 8 meters tall and is "[a] very demanding plant to grow." A cursory search online did not indicate that anyone outside of Australia is growing this Syzygium species. I did read an article which matches up with the "very demanding plant to grow" reputation as a grower in Cairns finally got his to flower, after twenty years and two different moves as its first two locations were either too sunny or too shady.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cross index of Jaboticaba named fruits
« on: November 13, 2021, 07:24:24 PM »
That is a helpful list. I do not think I have noticed a list like it, at least in that format.

It looks like this problem has popped up again. I received a PM but no email notification. I checked my message settings, which are set to always receive an email notification. I also checked my email's spam folder in case it ended up there, but it did not. This is not the most important problem in the world, but it is a bit annoying because the Forum was finally running perfectly again.


I will continue shipping plants as long as the weather permits. If it is too cold in your location, my location, or in-between, I will not risk damaging any of them in weather that is too cold. Some plants can handle colder temperatures in the 30s, such as the Citrus and the Psidium longipetiolatum. Nauclea xanthoxylon (Ndea) does not seem to appreciate the cold; although my plants are still alive and healthy, exposure to temperatures in the 40s turned parts of their leaves and stems a bright autumn red color.

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