The Tropical Fruit Forum

Maybe home growers can hide their citrus in between other trees and fruit for now, but I think the commercial citrus growers in Georgia will forever be looking over their shoulders now....

Way too much Citrus concentrated, way too close to Florida, with way too many warm spells...
It was a good run....Maybe Tennessee will be the next Citrus Industry location...or the GMO rootstocks will be come more widespread..

I do realize that Sudachi and Kabosu are both picked green or right at color break.
It's an intrinsic quality. If they're all picked at the same stage of green, Kabosu will still be less sour than  either Sudachi or Yuzu.
So if Sour is what you really want, you're better off with Yuzu or Sudachi
You can watch any of a number of videos actually showing reactions, or read UCR's notes below:

"  Kabosu fruit was also formally evaluated in September and October from 2003 through 2007 at Riverside, Calif. Slightly larger than Yuzu, the average fruit size has a mean width of 5.3 cm (2.1 inches) and a height of 5.2 cm (2.0 inches), giving an average height-to-width aspect ratio of 0.98 and a more rounded shaped. Kabosu has a mean weight per fruit of 71.2 grams (2.51 ounces). Color break for Kabosu occurs between the first and third week of September. The rind texture is slightly pebbly with a mean thickness of 4.2 mm (.17 inches). The number of seeds per fruit averages 17.2, higher than Sudachi, but lower than Yuzu. The mean juice weight is 20.2 grams (0.71 ounces) and the average juice content is 28.2%, slightly higher than Yuzu, but lower than Sudachi. The juice weight and juice content increased during the sampling dates. The internal flesh color of Kabosu in the green stage ranges from light-yellow to dark-yellow. Kabosu tends to be the least acidic of the three acid types with an average of 3.2% citric acid."

https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/kabosu1.html

I've always though nanshodaidai/taiwanica with an ichang papeda would been a great candidate.
Lemons were supposedy a sour orange with a citron, so a hardy sour orange with papeda seems like a similar cross for a cold hardy lemonlike fruit..

Ok. I have grown both yuzu and meyer lemon. Meyer is very juicy but too thin skinned to get much of the zest. Yuzu has great zest but not enough juice.

I ended up using my seedless Ichang lemon to split the difference.  It's extremely juicy for lemonade and pies, and the zest is just as fragrant as yuzu, but with a few different notes.

If you live in a warmer area, I would get one of the italian high oil varieties like Santa Teresa,  limoneira, sorrento clones,  etc.
 

That variety is not common. I think Buchanan's nursery in Texas used to have it often. I have a seedling one that started fruiting with 1 fruit this year.  Unfortunately since ga is now in quarantine,  there's no way for me to share it. Maybe one of the nurseries in ga might take the budwood from me and start certification.  But you still won't get it from them if you live in ca, fl, TX, la, etc...

Zombie update, but https://georgiagrowncitrus.com/ now ships withing Georgia..

Attached is a picture of a store bought Eureka vs Sudachi vs Thomasville <br /><br />

Ok, so Today I decided to pick one of my Sudachi and one of my citrangequats to compare since I will be moving in a few years.
I unfortunately didn't measure the weight of the fruit before hand.

The Sudachi was 3 times the size of the Thomasville, but the thomasville was definitely more juicy. The Sudachi gave exactly 1 Teaspoon (measured) of juice.  The Thomasville have slightly over 1 teaspoon.

I put the juice in 2 separate cups, and made an ade. 1 teaspoon of simple syruo (1:1 sugar and water), with 3 teaspoons of water.

I marked the cups and put some ice in it, and served to my wife and son.

Interestingly, both my wife and son preferred the Thomasville to the Sudachi-ade. Both said that the Sudachi was more orange-y. 
The Zest of the sudachi was more unique to me. I did taste that slight pepper flavor that people mention. The thomasville zest of course had that citrange component, so I wouldn't try to use that zest in anything.

If the Thomasville zest tasted better, I think it would be a clear winner. More juice, more acid taste, and it's proven more hardy. Juice wise, it's still more useful. I'll try this again when they're both yellow ripe.

Next test will probably be meyer lemons vs ichang lemons...

Since our previous frosts don't come through till November/December, I think these might make it. Especially since they are best green. Let's see....

South Florida doesn't have a lot of chill hours (pomegranates need some chill to produce fully). And the fungal diseases are bad in the southeast. In a study by UGA, the ones that did the best with humidity (least fungal infections) and high production were Salavatski and Kaj acik-anor. Kazake also did well, but most other varieties will either have low production or get rot on the fruit.

Manfromyard,  thank you.  Great info video  - very valuable.   How about some information on the trees that you grow.  I am aware that you grow citrus outside under tunnel cultivation.

I will have to make a thread and maybe take some pictures.
I actually have Yuzu and Sudachi myself, but will be giving the Yuzu to a friend of mine to cultivate for me.

Currently in ground, Citrangequat, Meyer Lemon, Yuzuquat.

Containerized: Sudachi, Bloomsweet, UGA Ichang and Changsha.

Check out the Georgia Citrus Association and 1-Dog Ventures. They should have several varieties available

They would probably be the best bet, however they don't ship as far as I know so get ready to drive a few hours. They did impose some rules that started in January 2020 here: http://www.agr.georgia.gov/Data/Sites/1/media/ag_news/legal_notices/files/2019/Citrus-Rules-(September-2019)(CLEAN).pdf

I know that 4 winds and Mckenzie had a certificate whenever I used to order. Not sure if it was Aphis or not, and apparently that is now a requirement as of January 1, 2020. I did order most of the varieties I wanted last year just in case something like this was coming. Looks like you can't send material or propagate your own stuff even now, just like California.