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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: anyone growing meiogyne cylindrocarpa?
« on: November 26, 2021, 06:09:00 PM »
Glad to hear the update, Paul. It seems that your plants and mine are acting like Har said they would, with glacially slow growth for years until they finally shoot up. I have also noticed that mine grow more horizontally than vertically. Nearly all their growth this year was horizonal growth with relatively little growth upwards; they are now wider than they are tall.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit grafting question
« on: November 25, 2021, 02:07:10 AM »
There was an article posted on the Forum a few weeks ago about an Indian grower who is the Johnny Appleseed of jackfruits. The article mentioned that, in India, grafted jackfruits do not live very long (I am not going to search for the article but I think it said 10-15 years). I wonder if all the problems you all are mentioning contribute to a short lifespan for grafted trees, even the ones where the grafts do take.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Austrailian blood lime question
« on: November 23, 2021, 06:39:27 AM »
whoa Logee is listing it at $125 now?  I swear I saw it way cheaper in their catalogs they send me but I can't find one right now.  The internet archive wayback machine shows them selling it for $40 at one point.  Maybe they discovered they have no competition?

I would ask if demand has outstripped supply, but Logee's site shows they have 78 in stock. Maybe they have had to give their grafters raises to keep them happy? Who knows? Logee's has been big with the Martha Stewart crowd of people with too much money and who are too status conscious. There could be some new recipe that just has to have Australian blood limes in it.

Maybe Madison Citrus will start offering Australian blood lime. They have great prices, frankly prices that are too good. I have to stay away from that site, since I have too many plants as it is.

That did not take long. :)

Chris, a PM has been sent to you.

I have a copy of Palmeiras Brasileiras e Exóticas Cultivadas available for sale if anyone is interested.

Palmeiras Brasileiras e Exóticas Cultivadas was written by Harri Lorenzi, Hermes Moreira de Souza, Jesus Tadeu de Medeiros Costa, Luiz Sérgio Coelho de Cerqueira, and Evandro Ferreira and published in 2004 by Instituto Plantarum de Estudos da Flora Ltda. in Nova Odessa, Brazil. It is a hardcover (no dust jacket, as issued) that measures 8.625x12.125 in. (220x307 mm.) with 432 pages. The ISBN-10/ISBN-13 numbers are 8586714208/9788586714207. The text is entirely in Portuguese and is fully illustrated in color. The page layout is the same as Harri Lorenzi's other books. It is stamped with the number 005956 on the flyleaf.

This book is in good condition. The hardcover boards have some rubbing and small scratches to the surface and small corner bumping which has caused small creases, but the boards have no tears, stains, or other major damage. The binding is strong and intact. The interior is unmarked with no writing, highlighting, or underlining and has occasional soiling and small corner bumping to some pages but no tears, dog-eared pages, water stains, mold, or other major damage. The page edges have some soiling but no remainder mark, foxing, stains, or other major damage.

The price for this book is $80.

USPS Media Mail shipping included in the price. I will consider shipping it internationally if there is no interest among any American buyers with the international shipping cost to be covered by the buyer, but the book is rather heavy and shipping from the United States overseas would likely be fairly expensive.

I only accept PayPal.

This book will be securely packed in a box and promptly shipped once payment is received with a tracking number provided after it is shipped.

I only have one copy, so it is first come, first served.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Id of 2 different Myrciaria
« on: November 18, 2021, 03:45:57 PM »
The new foliage on that first plant is incredible looking, very striking.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 100 gallon pot options?
« on: November 18, 2021, 03:44:51 PM »
I prefer up-potting in spring, but frankly, I do it whenever I have time to do it. If I am busy in the spring, plants will simply get up-potted in whatever season I have time to. I have not seen any problems with this because I do not step them up into too large of a container and because they are kept fairly warm in the winter, in the 50s or above.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: annnona vine , kudsura coccinea
« on: November 18, 2021, 03:37:48 PM »
I always thought kadsura was a tree, but I see it's a vine here. I suppose I should then trellis mine?

Kadsura is definitely a vine, and one that can get large and sprawling if allowed to. I have seen photographs of it trellised or on arbors similarly to grapes and kiwis.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Baobab trees in pots?
« on: November 17, 2021, 05:45:01 PM »
Baobabs can get enormous, and even the "smaller" species get to be really big. I am not sure how you are going to convince a potted baobab that it has the right conditions to fruit in. Flowering and fruiting take a lot of energy and nutrients, but I am not sure how you are going to provide such a large tree the space and nutrients to do so.

That being said, I do not want to discourage you from growing baobabs or any other large fruit plant that is not recommended for container growing. I certainly do not practice what I preach as far as not growing plants which get too large for containers. My 8-foot tall jackfruits would tell you that.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 100 gallon pot options?
« on: November 15, 2021, 11:05:39 PM »
I found some local IBC totes in Ventura, 275 gallon, for $50. I'm going to buy one for rain water harvesting and another for the jabo. Just price wise, I think it makes most sense for me and I have an angle grinder to remove part of the cage and a portion of the top. I like square pots and I cannot lie.

AGRX, which another poster recommended, seemed really pissed I even asked for one haha. They said and I quote, "Absolutely not."

I wonder if AGRX is having supply chain issues that have put them in a sour mood.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can anyone ID this fruit or vegetable ?
« on: November 14, 2021, 08:39:31 PM »
It looks like a luffa to me, particularly how it has gone off at the top. My mother's luffas would sometimes do that.

There was a thread on this last week. Someone stated that if the crown has been cut off, there will still probably be enough material left to root, with some effort required.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: November 14, 2021, 02:16:28 AM »
You could just create a rattlesnake pit that all the gopher tunnels lead to.  That would fix the problem.

Those are some fine looking snakes. Good rodent killers. Unfortunately, rattlesnakes are getting rarer. I have only seen a couple way out in the country, and that was years ago. Now, to put that rarity in perspective, my yard is filled with rat snakes which I see often, and I found a pair of copperheads in my daylilies this summer. It is wooded and not in a particularly urban area, but people have done their best to wipe out rattlesnakes where I live.

Very interesting. It looks like something which would make a good container plant, although the Useful Tropical Plants site ( says that it can get up to 8 meters tall and is "[a] very demanding plant to grow." A cursory search online did not indicate that anyone outside of Australia is growing this Syzygium species. I did read an article which matches up with the "very demanding plant to grow" reputation as a grower in Cairns finally got his to flower, after twenty years and two different moves as its first two locations were either too sunny or too shady.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cross index of Jaboticaba named fruits
« on: November 13, 2021, 07:24:24 PM »
That is a helpful list. I do not think I have noticed a list like it, at least in that format.

It looks like this problem has popped up again. I received a PM but no email notification. I checked my message settings, which are set to always receive an email notification. I also checked my email's spam folder in case it ended up there, but it did not. This is not the most important problem in the world, but it is a bit annoying because the Forum was finally running perfectly again.


I will continue shipping plants as long as the weather permits. If it is too cold in your location, my location, or in-between, I will not risk damaging any of them in weather that is too cold. Some plants can handle colder temperatures in the 30s, such as the Citrus and the Psidium longipetiolatum. Nauclea xanthoxylon (Ndea) does not seem to appreciate the cold; although my plants are still alive and healthy, exposure to temperatures in the 40s turned parts of their leaves and stems a bright autumn red color.

Does that link still work?

No, that link does not work. Thankfully, the Internet Archive trawled it back in 2018: I am glad the Internet Archive does a good job keeping otherwise broken links like this around. But, I would save a copy of that PDF to your computer as a backup, just in case.

I guess the book is only like $20.00 in Brazil. My friend was shook that these go for 1-200$

I might be able to get my hands on more copies but might come out to more like 50-80$ each with shipping costs. It's a heavy book

Yes, I did the currency conversion on the Jardim Botânico Plantarum online bookstore price. The Brazilian Real is at $0.18, so if I lived in Brazil, the book's purchase price plus expedited Brazilian domestic shipping would be the equivalent of $30.32. $10.30 of that is the shipping cost, so the book's R$110,00 list price is almost exactly $20.00. Unfortunately, Jardim Botânico Plantarum does not ship internationally; though, as someone who sells books for a living and has shipped books internationally on many previous occasions, I can completely understand why. International shipping is a pain, with tedious customs forms, high shipping rates, slow delivery, unprofessional postal officials, and the ever-present threat of damaged or lost books. It really is amazing anything ever goes from one country to another successfully.

That being said, if you do manage to import some copies to the US. I would certainly be interested in the $50 to $80 range, preferably on the low end if possible.

Is this book still largely unavailable due to COVID issues in Brazil, either in the Portuguese print edition or the English language eBook?
The publisher is still not sending books out of Brazil. The english language eBook you can access online.

Other than at Apple Books, which I do not use, is there anywhere else where I can get the English eBook?

I think dm is looking to purchase some fruit, not plants.

If you cannot find anyone on the forum with available fruit, you might want to make a trip over to the Fruit & Spice Park. They probably have all the varieties you mentioned.

I would rather you catch and release the snake than catch and release that tree rat. Better yet, feed the squirrel to the snake and make everyone happy.

Is this book still largely unavailable due to COVID issues in Brazil, either in the Portuguese print edition or the English language eBook?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Complicata - Murta Azul
« on: October 28, 2021, 07:19:17 PM »
There are over 1,100 species of Eugenia. Who knows how many of them are worth collecting, but thankfully more and more of them are being imported.
I’ve noticed how most cerrado eugenias are usually quite small plants, klotzchiana for example which can fruit very small but grows insanely slow… this could be a good plant for pots, if you train it correctly! At least that’s what I believe… haha  ;D

The issue with Cerrado (and Caatinga, the neighboring Brazilian dry scrub forest) fruit plants is keeping them alive and happy, as you asked about in another thread. I have generally shied away from plants native to those areas for that reason. I have watched a few videos and read posts where growers talk about the struggle to simply keep them alive, much less fruit them. I do think one of the problems is that many of these growers are in Florida, which gets too wet and cold in the winter for those plants' liking. They do fine in the summer but decline over the winter, usually not making it to the next spring. A more controlled indoor environment might alleviate that. I am trying my hand at growing one species: Ziziphus joazeiro. Its common name is Jua, and it is a jujube native to the Brazilian dry forest. I have two that germinated from seeds this spring and which have grown nicely all through the summer. If I can keep them alive and happy this winter, I will be more amenable to adding other similarly hard-to-grow plants to my collection. Until then, I will simply watch the high prices being paid for these rare Cerrado and Caatinga plants (mostly Eugenias and other Myrtaceae, unlike my Juas) and hope that the people buying them have not lost their investment by March.

elouicious made a very good list. I would add the Red and Escarlate (Scarlet) varieties of jaboticaba to that list. They are not rare, but they fruit quickly in comparison to other jaboticabas and should be in all Myrtaceae collections. I also have Eugenia victoriana. It does not get especially large, so I believe it is a good candidate for growing in containers long-term, though there has been debate on the forum regarding whether its sourness negatively affects its edibility.

Eugenia brasiliensis, Eugenia involucrata, Eugenia luschnathiana, Eugenia pyriformis, and Plinia rivularis probably all grow too large for successful, long-term container culture, so you might want to stay away from those. But, I am growing all of them in containers, so I am obviously not following my own advice. ;D

Hmmm, victoriana might be one of those species that is great in juice, jams, or smoothies. Sounds like something you could put sugar on and eat raw as well!  ;D

I watched a video of a Costa Rican fruit forest tour. The people in the video ate E. victoriana fruits out of hand, and though they remarked about how sour it was, that did not seem to affect their enjoyment of it. On the other hand, forum member Mike T likens it to eating paint stripper. So, a slight difference of opinion. I will find out my feelings about it if my plant ever grows large enough to fruit.

I now realize that elouicious and I both ignored Psidiums in our previous lists. Many Psidiums get too large for container culture, but Psidium firmum, Psidium friedrichsthalianum, and Psidium striatulum all stay fairly small. Pruning is probably required for all of them.

Also, there was another thread that mentioned a couple of smaller Campomanesia species that might be suitable for container culture:

Finally, I had forgotten that Austromyrtus dulcis, the Midgen Berry, is a Myrtaceae. There really are a lot of Myrtaceae. I am not personally growing this species, but it is a popular Australian bush tucker fruit. It also stays small.

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