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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this a fruit? What is it?
« on: December 06, 2021, 04:20:04 PM »
It is also used as a rootstock for Che to keep the trees from suckering. There is even a hybrid between the two that is presumably sterile. I have also heard that the seeds of the Osage are edible, its just too much work to pick them out.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Is this Gotu Kola?
« on: December 02, 2021, 10:42:43 PM »
What you have there is Dollarweed (Hydrocotyle bonariensis). It is closely related to Gotu Kola (Centella asiatica) and distantly related to celery. Thankfully, it is edible. The article below explains everything very well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Processing butia/jelly palm juice
« on: December 01, 2021, 10:04:42 PM »
I wonder if you could juice them in a steam juicer without removing the seed.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please help identify this tree
« on: November 28, 2021, 10:25:00 PM »
It is not a pecan, I can tell you that.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are these things in my container?
« on: November 27, 2021, 11:53:25 PM »
The grub stage eats roots. Its easier to kill them when they are above ground.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are these things in my container?
« on: November 27, 2021, 05:15:28 PM »
Looks like root weevils. The adult is a beetle. It lays its eggs in the soil, they hatch into grubs and eat roots until they mature into adult beetles.

From a geographical perspective, Peru is a mountainous equatorial country. The latitude should make it tropical, but the altitude keeps things cool. "Winter" is adjusted in timing by how high up the mountain you go. Just because they get cherimoya 12 months a year from Peru does not mean that they come from the same farm all 12 months of the year. However, there are places in Peru where the temperature never drops below the upper 50s or goes above the low 80s regardless of wether it is summer or winter. I am not a cherimoya expert, but maybe weather like that would enable year round cherimoya production from a single farm (with cultural practices like Brad mentioned).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit grafting question
« on: November 24, 2021, 09:32:14 PM »
Approach grafting seems to work fairly well. Also, young grafted trees seem to get a substantial boost from having a second rootstock planted next to them and similarly approach grafted. It seems to fix the "graft anemia" young jackfruit have.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 22, 2021, 11:38:36 PM »
Hi Brad,

Have you thought about selling directly to restaurants?  If the restaurant is busy enough they could buy everything you grow.  We donít pay wholesale prices, and youíre right that the quality of imports suck.  Important factors for us besides taste would be that the flesh separates easily from the seed and the skin peels easily or easily scoops with a spoon without the skin breaking apart.  Also avocado that donít discolor quickly after prep.  Thereís definitely demand from restaurants for quality, and supporting a local grower is a bonus.


Theres a taco shop nearby i go to often and I asked them one time if they wanted to buy some avocados.  The woman who owned it was interested but she was saying they needed to have a sticker from a packing house on them so they could trace it if there was a problem.  It sounded like excessive government regulation but she may have been wrong about that, I dont know.  She seemed to have some serious concern about the government showing up and looking at everything.  I have no idea if thats really a requirement for resturaunts?

It is indeed excessive for small farms. That is why there is a small farm exemption. The restaurant owner's concerns are also valid, because she can be fined if they inspect her shop and find produce that is in violation of the Food Safety Modernization Act.

As I understand it, if on average over the past 3 years you have sold less than $25k in fresh produce (processed/cooked produce or produce that will be processed/cooked can be in addition to this amount) primarily to "end users" (restaurants, groceries, and individuals within 275 miles) and you put a label with your address on the box you should be fine. Our produce has never been questioned, even when other produce in the store was found in violation durring an inspection. Customers will need to be educated, though. For example, it can be helpful to have a packet of paperwork explaining the small farm exemption along with a discription of your farm and contact information.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I Get Larger Jujubes?
« on: November 22, 2021, 09:30:13 PM »
I believe this is the article that I read that mentioned the hybrid between the two species. I for one, would be very keen on testing such a hybrid here in Florida.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I Get Larger Jujubes?
« on: November 21, 2021, 09:23:42 PM »
  Here is an article specific to jujube.
Be aware the link is for the Chinese Jujube not Indian jujube. The Chinese type is more adapted to cooler zones.


Maybe it was a leap in logic, but I assumed that physiological response should not differ much. As I recall, there are even hybrids between the two. I have been doing some experimenting on this myself and will report back if I find anything of interest.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I Get Larger Jujubes?
« on: November 21, 2021, 01:28:12 PM »
Girdling at bloom and then thinning?

Why girdle the tree? Girdling helps induce flowering, these trees don't need help

Many fruit trees are girdled to increase fruit size. For example, most sedless grapes are girdled at least once in the season (after berry set) to increase fruit size.  Here is an article specific to jujube.

Personally, I think they girdled the trees with too wide a girdle and would have gotten better results with a narrower girdle that would have been healed over approximately at the time of harvest. Grapes are only girdled 1/4".

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I Get Larger Jujubes?
« on: November 20, 2021, 11:16:34 PM »
Girdling at bloom and then thinning?

 I think fungus and other disease will be the main problem. We tried some of the California peaches and they fared verry poorly in our climate. Even the lower chill ones like Eva's Pride. After going over some of the minutes from the Florida Horticultural Society, I am even more sure of my stance. It is possible that adapted peach genetics could be used to breed an almond with more disease resistance, however. In fact, I seem to recall that a few peach/almond hybrids exist with edible pits. Typically, peach pits (like all prunus except sweet almond) contain toxic compounds that give them an "almond extract" smell. Almond extract, by the way, is made from detoxified bitter almonds that contain the toxins and flavor bearing compounds.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: 28 F, -2.2 C
« on: November 17, 2021, 07:57:19 PM »
I believe it depends on the duration and variety. Grapefruit and other thick skinned citrus fare a little better. But as I recall oranges will freeze if it is that cold for very long. You won't notice it right away, but the fruits will start to dry out and then drop off. I would definitely protect them. Especially since weather forecasters have been known to be off by several degrees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can anyone ID this fruit or vegetable ?
« on: November 14, 2021, 09:48:53 PM »
It certainly appears to be a curcubit. Bottle Gourd aka Opo Squash would be my guess. But I supose it could be a luffa. You will definitely know if you cut it open.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Why is this tree yellow?
« on: November 13, 2021, 06:31:57 PM »
Vinegar is an organic acid (acetic acid) generally with an acid content of between only 5 to 8 percent.  Being an organic acid it has a very short life span.  The growers in my area use phosphoric acid. Man growers also use sulfur.

Indeed, sometimes the commercial groves add sulfuric acid to the irrigation water to adjust the ph, but that is probably outside the scope of a homeowner. Phosphoric acid sounds like a really good idea--you can adjust ph and fertilize at the same time!

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Sweet Potato
« on: November 12, 2021, 10:35:57 PM »
Ok, thanks for this info. Now it makes sense that my vine was growing outside of the 2 gallon pot and somehow the vine got under another larger pot that was on cement (patio) and it had the small smashed potato in the photo above. Maybe I should transplant my plant and I might find a larger potato in the pot. My vine grew about 20 ft from the pot on my other citrus trees and over the cement patio.

I have seen those "sweet potato pancakes" before, too! If you clip the growing tip the vine will branch more and put out side shoots. If you don't, it can grow a long way! I have one that is getting close to 30' long!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jocote
« on: November 12, 2021, 10:22:46 PM »
I have not had much success with seed either. Whack off a branch with no leaves and stick it in the ground. Seed would potentially give you somethung different then what you have anyway.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fort Lauderdale/Cecropia?
« on: November 12, 2021, 09:54:44 PM »
For what it is worth, I think they taste more like a cross between fig and honeydew melon. Texture and taste is not like a gummy worm. They do kinda look like one, though.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Why is this tree yellow?
« on: November 12, 2021, 09:52:10 PM »
By the way, some of the groves around here spray vinegar on the soil to help with ph.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Sweet Potato
« on: November 12, 2021, 09:49:27 PM »
If you plant them in a 25 gallon pot, does the roots grow and have the tubers and you can let the vine (with leaves) grow on a trellis like a passion fruit ?

Yes, with one catch. Sweet potatoes do not have tendrils or twine like climbing vines. So, you would need to tie them onto or weave them into the trellis. The tubers are normal size, thoug. Actually, when the vine crawls along the ground naturally it sets roots and a lot of small potatoes that are not really worth the trouble to clean. If the vine does not touch the ground, it will send all those sugars back to the main root cluster and grow those potatoes bigger instead.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Why is this tree yellow?
« on: November 11, 2021, 10:19:25 PM »
This is probably not a good time to fertilize with nitrogen in your location because it will make your tree flush. Flushing trees are much more susceptible to cold. Citrus leaves live for about 2 years, so you may see some yellow leaves for a while even after you are able to fertilize in the spring. Watch the new growth--that should give you a read on the tree's current condition. Also, as you may be wondering, I imagine that the difficiency is more noticable on that tree because of its rootstock. The other purchased trees are likely grafted to more vigorous (and probably better adapted to your alkaline soil) rootstocks that are better able to scaveng and uptake nutrients. That's my 2 cents.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Sweet Potato
« on: November 11, 2021, 08:36:06 PM »
I can verify that sweet potatoes will be highly productive when grown in 25 gallon pots. You may even be able to grow the vines on a trellis of sorts if you tie them in place. They are crawlers more than climbers.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Good tasting persimmon for zone5-6
« on: November 04, 2021, 10:16:06 PM »
You may want to look at some of the improved American Persimmons or even an asian and American hybrid like Rosseyanka. Here is an old but good discussion on American Persimmon varieties.

Sorry I can't be more help.

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