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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto large mango tree.
« on: December 05, 2021, 10:05:05 AM »
Let me share some not so positive experience - something to think about.

First the varieties you graft and where you graft them matter.

I have what I call a nurse tree.  Every variety I have but do not have a stand alone seedling for gets grafted on this tree and my hope is to harvest scions from the grafted branch to put on a seedling when I have rootstock ready and to do this for the varieties that I have tasted and like.  Some of the varieties have flowered and fruited on the nurse tree, which is good news and the question you asked.
Why the varieties matter is they have different growth characteristics.  I have lost a few varieties n the nurse tree because other grafts grew more vigorously and shaded them out eventually the shaded varieties died back.  Iman Passand and other slow growers were most at risk.  I was able to transfer one or two of the varieties that got shaded out to other locations on the tree or to seedlings before they died but some I need to get scions of and re-graft.

Since you have your trees and you are using this to deal with your budding rafting addiction :) (by the way, welcome to the group, many of us will graft even mango in winter :) ) go get 'em tiger!

One last thing.  I had a tree much like yours.  I cut it back and grafted to the shoots and thought the grafts took, I eventually lost the tree.   Since them, my preferred approach is to take the tree down in thirds where possible, never the entire canopy at once.  I grafts to the regrowth from each section I take down but leave enough vegetative growth to keep the tree alive and well and maintain the roots.  I have not lost a tree I top worked this way.  It is slower, takes 2 to 3 seasons to complete a top work which may not be an option in some cases.

I am interested in how your experiment works long term so please do update this link from time to time.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto large mango tree.
« on: December 04, 2021, 03:31:09 PM »
Did you graft directly on the stump or on the shoot emerging after you stumped the tree. It looks like the later which is how I would topwork a tree that size too.  I am no good with bark grafts on anything larger than an inch or two at most.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 100 gallon pot options?
« on: November 30, 2021, 10:25:44 AM »
Well done, looks nice, solid and stable.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya Fruit
« on: November 29, 2021, 04:16:25 PM »
In 4 1

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango second cuts not as promised
« on: November 29, 2021, 02:29:42 PM »
Perfect, Pineislander, that is what I was trying to explain.

Yurz, I use half an inch to one inch as my measure.  I leave that much above or take that much below the node to prevent the wound from affecting the nodes.  I am not sure if I read it somewhere but that is the practice I adopted.
It doe snot guarantee you perfect outcome, but it does give you a good shot.

One more thing, I suggest you let the new shoot harden before you cut it.  Again this is theory on my part but I believe the roots should fit the plant before you make your cuts so that the plant is induced to grow new shoots to match the roots.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango second cuts not as promised
« on: November 28, 2021, 06:14:18 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango second cuts not as promised
« on: November 28, 2021, 03:10:25 PM »
Isn't every cut both above and below a node unless you are cutting off the tip?
Technically yes, but not exactly.

If you make a cut about half an inch above the node the new growth will be from the node just below your cut.
If you made the cut about half an inch below the node the new growth will usually be from the fist couple of leaves below your cut, not the next node down.

Either option is fine and could be appropriate depending on what you are trying to do.

See this video, he tips.  just removed the top and lets the new growth happen at different locations based on where leaves were.  The extension service video from Ghana make the cuts above the node.  Their new growth all happen at that growth ring, from the same point on the branch.

I believe there is an illustration on the forum.  If I find it I will share a link.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are these things in my container?
« on: November 28, 2021, 03:03:47 PM »
I believe there are several products on the market for killing grubs.
Most are contact and the grub does not have to be active to be controlled. This might be the better way to control the beetle by disrupting its reproductive cycle.

I suspect though that they didn't lay eggs only in your one pot and that there are grubs in other places to that will replenish your beetle population.


Take a look at this link.
I am not sure if the treatment described here works for you but the nematode option with fig is pure irony.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are these things in my container?
« on: November 27, 2021, 05:29:49 PM »
By the way, your pot soil looks very wet.  You may want to let it dry up a little more.
You can control the grubs with several contact insecticide products if you want, easier since they are in a pot.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango second cuts not as promised
« on: November 27, 2021, 05:20:39 PM »
Was your cut above or below the node?

If it is above, you will get or should get several start from the node and you have to reduce.
If it is below, you don't get as many and they start typically at the leaf below and the next one down.  I happen to prefer this because I believe (right or wrong) that it results in stronger branching since multiple branches don't come off the same point on the tree.

Either way, I have done both cuts and have had multiple pushes in most cases. If I end up with only one from a node, I will knock it off early and let is send multiple from which I will select

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are these things in my container?
« on: November 27, 2021, 05:12:00 PM »
Grubs.  A beetle laid an egg and that was the start of the story.

John that was my read of the list too.
I found it helpful when I wanted to grow a small sized cocktail tree with 2 or 3 varieties to use up a small space I had. 
I am sure it will eventually get large but maybe after many years with some intervention from me. 

There is this old post worth perusing.

It lists description of dwarf or compact mango varieties from other posts in the forum.

Didn't see this until after my post - further disc0unted right now.

Amazon has Osmocote Smart-Release Plant Food Plus Outdoor & Indoor, 8 lb for $11.
I am not sure it will be this price for long so get a bag if you use it.

Iím looking for Tanaka Loquat and any other varieties that has orange peel and orange inside. With good to great favor.

Do you sell any or where can buy them?

Iím desperate, any information is appropriate it!
Look up AKME Gardens ("Viking Guy" on the forum) - several posts.
Has a great collection of loquats.
I have a link below to two of the more recent posts.

Announcing opening storefront

Listing some Loquat varieties they carry

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Concerning hand pollinating soursop
« on: November 16, 2021, 03:48:43 PM »
I have one tree that sets fruit well on its own. I have not seen  any nitidulid beetles on the tree or its flowers, I have only seen small ants and some flies on tree and flowers. Im thinking Maybe this tree sets fruit very well because itís receptive to its own pollen.
Is that a seedling or a named cultivar?
Is the tree in full sun?
Carlos, is full sun good or bad?
I have one tree in full sun, one is partially shaded and a third is in a pot currently parked in partial shade.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Concerning hand pollinating soursop
« on: November 16, 2021, 03:45:57 PM »
Har, I saw some ants (I assume bull ants) on the tree.  They were not on an open flower but on a tiny one just forming.
I was considering finding a way of dissuading them from visiting the tree without harming potential pollinators, only to find out they may be pollinators.  I hope they take care of a few flowers, I will be good with a poorly formed fruit or two, than no fruit at all. :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Concerning hand pollinating soursop
« on: November 16, 2021, 03:02:20 AM »
Thank you.
The new attempts are with stored pollen.  Hopefully I will get a couple of takes.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dream Cherimoya
« on: November 16, 2021, 02:58:14 AM »
I will be happy to.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: Lemon Zest tasted chalky?
« on: November 15, 2021, 04:27:21 PM »
Ya'll are getting LZ's in November in CA!?!? Trying not to hate you right now
I will eat one tonight, and there are 2 more big fruits on the tree :)
The last mangoes will always be the Lancetilla which ends the season in December (taste just like a giant Valencia Pride, which is just OK when one has no other mangoes to eat).

... and he bubs it in ... :)
Enjoy your later season.  We are already looking forward to 2022 mango season.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Concerning hand pollinating soursop
« on: November 15, 2021, 04:23:52 PM »
Thanks Rob, I have watched the videos that show hand pollinating flowers with their own anthers.  I know for atemoya that this would not work since the flowers are male by the time the petals are open and the anthers dropping.
I was not sure if this was the case with soursop and have tried what I saw as well as saving pollen and applying with a brush to other flowers.

Is your observation from your experience with soursop? 

My last couple used pollen I saved and refrigerated, but I broke off enough of the petals to get good access with my brush.  My next two which should be tonight or tomorrow will be with saved pollen with petals teased apart but not broken. 
I will eventually get this right. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dream Cherimoya
« on: November 14, 2021, 09:52:09 PM »
Well done Mike, when you said it can grow in Florida.  Did you have someone try this already? and did they get it to fruit?
Cherimoya will grow here, it might even flower and fruit.  It will rarely get it to a decent size or ripe.  Which is why some of us keep trying to find the combination of genetics of conditions.

Do keep us informed and if it does well here I expect FL growers will be looking for scions when you are ready.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Concerning hand pollinating soursop
« on: November 14, 2021, 01:15:26 PM »
The batch I did last week are still on the plant.  There is no color or green to suggest there is a fruit but the stalk didn't dry up and fall off.  Or hasn't in a week.  I take this as a good sign. 
I have 3 more flowers coming due to night or tomorrow night.  With the relatively low humidity we expect is it a good idea to bag them in a sandwich bag?  I know it assures no pollination unless I do it but would it keep things moist and receptive to hand pollination a little longer than if I left it open to the elements?

I have a few successful grafts but it took some doing.  A few early takes failed later but I have a couple that are growing well now.
I was able to root a Mexican Cream and it is doing much better than the grafts.  It was rooted after the grafts but has grown much larger, I expect it will fruit next year. True the graft is a branch on a larger tree but it hasn't grown much.

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