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Amazon has Osmocote Smart-Release Plant Food Plus Outdoor & Indoor, 8 lb for $11.
I am not sure it will be this price for long so get a bag if you use it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Osteen Mango - as a late variety
« on: September 05, 2021, 01:42:05 PM »
I have an Osten that fruited for the first time this year, held on to about 6 (into the last week of August) of which I got 3 and the critters got the rest.
I enjoyed the fruit, we had the last one today, and I wondered if any of you have experience with Osteen and would like to share your thoughts.  Do you notice any aftertaste?

For me it is one of my late season collections and this year only Beverly and Keitt held fruit longer.

I will like to read your thoughts on this variety.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cherilata Fruit Pictures - please
« on: August 31, 2021, 12:33:01 PM »
I am interested in seeing what a Cherilata fruit looks like from just formed to ready to pick.
If you have pictures could you kindly share or point me to a link.  I have a couple of Cherilata plants that seem to be doing well (on pond apple rootstock) and I want to know what the fruit looks like.

I have several flowers and one fruit from a previous flowering.

I will post a picture later. 

I was in the yard and saw one of the pond apple (Annona glabra) trees is dropping fruits.
I will be glad to throw a fruit in a zip lock bag and ship it to you.  I don't expect you to eat the fruit, but you will get a bunch of seeds to plant or do whatever you need to with.

I can sell you seeds (it will cost since it takes time to process) or give you the fruit and you take care of getting the seeds yourself.

Shipping should be about $8 for priority small box. 

If you are interested, please make sure fruits can be sent to your location first.  PM me with your address and we can work out the details.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Mango Scions for sale
« on: July 09, 2021, 06:43:03 PM »
Fruits are off and before I do some heavy pruning, I can prep and take scions from a few varieties.

K3 (Kathy/Kryptonite)
Sweet Tart
Orange Sherbet
Pim Sen Mun
Chok Anon

And small quantities of many more, ask if you are interested in something I did not list.  It could just be that I have pruned the tree. 

If you are interested PM me. Same deal as my earlier post below


I have some K3 (Kathy/Kryptonite) scions for sale.
Sorry only within the US (where USPS priority can deliver)

I will sell each for $4 and shipping is by USPS $8

PM me is you are interested.  I have some ready to ship and will have more in about 8-10 days.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Seedling fruit - will taste soon
« on: June 22, 2021, 08:09:51 AM »
I finally have fruit from a mono seedling tree.  I am not sure of the source tree, it was a volunteer, but was most likely a Haden.
I had grafted to other branches on this seedling and harvested Venus from the grafted side earlier this month.

The fruit is relatively large.  I couldn't risk the critters getting this as it is the only one this year.  It has started coloring up with full shoulders and should finish ripening on the counter.

One last thing, the tree is growing in an area that gets and stays wet about a month each year.  Mango seem to be able to deal with wet conditions once established.

Here are some pictures

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jackfruit - laying down on the job
« on: June 12, 2021, 09:46:22 AM »
A have a seedling Jackfruit fruiting after several years in the ground.  There is only one problem, the fruit is on the ground and is touching the soil under the tree.  What do I need to do to give this fruit a good chance of reaching maturity.  I have seen pictures of jackfruits close to the ground and I am sure mine is not the first that is actually on the ground, what (if anything) do you do to protect the fruit in such cases?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Help ID these mangos
« on: May 13, 2021, 10:28:07 AM »
A couple of years ago these mangos were grafted but improperly or not labelled. 
They made fruit for the first time this year and my fried has asked if I could help identify them.
I am asking the more experienced folks on the forum to help with this ID.

Variety # 1 ________________________________

Variety # 2 ________________________________

I took out the third variety which there appears to be agreement on.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Agitator kit for backpack sprayer
« on: January 05, 2021, 12:33:18 PM »
I have a relatively inexpensive backpack sprayer that I use fairly often. I can not use it for items that require constant agitation to keep the product in suspension (such as sulphur).
I was wondering if anyone made an after market kit that I can attach to my sprayer.  Perhaps that runs on a battery.  It is extra weight but I can fill the tank to the 3 or 4 gal mark when the kit is connected.

Yes, I saw the post about the "Country Way 15 Gallon Spot Sprayer w/1 GPM Everflo Pump"  This looks like a viable second option but I will have to drive it around the yard instead of slinging in on my back.  I may look in to this some more if the option of a kit does not pan out.

I got some seeds from a forum colleague, thanks for the seed.

I planted them and committed the cardinal sin, I I didn't use indelible ink on my label.  Well I have a number of seedlings of both and don't know which is which.  I want to select one or two of each to plant but would not be happy to end up with four of a kind in stead of two of each.

Can anyone tell, is there a way to distinguish between torta ssp. glabra and Abiu seedlings?

I can post image if necessary but they look almost identical to me.
This pair were moved indoors to spare them some cold temps.  The rest were left outdoors.  Please refer to these as A (left and right or 1 and 2 - your choice)

Call these two B, again left and right or 1 and 2

Call these C

and this last one which I moved to a slightly larger pot, D

By the way, the paint on the inside of some of the pots is homemade spinout for root pruning.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Dealing with the FL deep freeze - Not exactly
« on: December 01, 2020, 06:43:01 PM »
For folks actually seeing freezing temperatures, so sorry  ;D

Temperatures are dropping this week in South FL, We have low 50s tonight.
It will warm up after today but I have a few seedlings that I started outdoors, should I bring the potted ones into the garage where it will be a couple of degrees warmer.  What are you going to protect young plants, please share.

By the way, the potted seedling varieties include:
1) Abiu,
2) torta ssp. glabra,
3) Garcinia brasiliensis,
4) Pitomba,
5) cherimoya/atemoya (for rootstock)

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Got a few extra M4 scions - Done
« on: September 21, 2020, 08:21:39 PM »
You are welcome to it (send me something intrade later), PM me if you are interested.
All spoken for.

My first Lisa Atemoya has been on the tree for a while and sugar apples that set fruit at the same time are being picked.  How can I tell when the Lisa is ready to pick?

Is there a subtle change of color?
Does it get soft to the touch?

Will appreciate your input

Tropical Fruit Discussion / How to plant in fill dirt
« on: August 13, 2020, 12:02:27 PM »
I had some part of my yard filled recently with several loads of fill dirt (Number 1 I believe).
New space for a few new trees, Yay.  Now what do I need to do to be able to plant in the area.
I understand that what I got was dirt not top soil.  I believe this type of soil is no good for plants and will need to be improved.  What can I do to prepare a few sites for trees.

The characteristics of fill dirt as I have heard are high salts, low nutrients, low organics (maybe none).  The soil drains relatively well, a plus.

I am willing to do prep now and plant later, any suggestions?

PS.  I will like to get the biology going so suggestions along those lines welcome.  Biochar, compost inplace or importing compost ....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Question for the experts in the room
« on: May 30, 2020, 01:29:36 PM »
I did several atemoya grafts this year with some degree of success.  Some of the grafts sent flowers and vegetative growth and couple of the flowers set fruit.  The root stock is a 3 or 4 year old plant in a pot.  Should I let these new grafts hold the fruit or should I remove the fruits.  So far the ones that have done this have only 1 fruit on the branch and they have had two vegetative 2 flushes.
Would you let a spring raft hold fruit in the same year under any condition?

I have one Lisa that went crazy.  It has had 4 cycles (note I didn't say flushes ) because the growth is from different buds on the scion at different times.  With each push, it sent flowers and it set fruit on each so now it has 3 fruits growing on a spring 2020 graft.  I expect I will pinch off 1 or 2 of these if it does not do it itself.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Passing on a lesson learned
« on: May 30, 2020, 01:23:04 PM »
When you graft CHerimoya onto pond apple to use as interstock, graft as close to the main trunk as you can on the branch you pick.

I did a few grafts where I went further away from the trunk to find a point where the root stock and my scion matched in diameter.  I got successful takes and the cherimoya is growing vigorously. The cherimoya is growing so much faster than the pond apple and the branches are sagging.  If I let things go I expect a couple of them will snap.  I may have to stake them up and hope they gain enough strength to hold on to the grafted plants.  I don't plan on grafting on the cherimoya until next spring but at this rate I may have to try in the fall.

So for others doing this, consider grafts close to the trunk or alternatively cut and do a bark graft on the trunk instead of grafting on the branches.  You can then graft on the cherimoya branches.

I have a couple of mango trees and a recovering avocado tree, all mature, that I may need to move 10 to 15 feet.
Unfortunately they are holding fruit which I assume I will lose.  They are also multi variety grafted trees so heavy pruning will likely involve removing some varieties completely.

First is it possible with the correct equipment to move a 15 to 20 year old tree with the trunk a foot across (only 1 of those)
Is the best practice to trench around the tree and let it grow some new roots before digging it out
I have other mangos, and I don't mind grafting the varieties all over again, is it better to remove the old tree and restart with seedlings?
Avocado with trunk 8 inch across, can that size cado be moved?

Kindly share your thoughts.

I saw a recent video where Har mentioned clear shinny beads of sweat on K3 (Kathy as a means of telling when they are mature and can be picked.
Is this always the case or are there more definite signs to look out for?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Important question on grafting annonas
« on: March 29, 2020, 10:12:43 AM »
I have done many cycles of annona grafting with results that are not worth writing hoe about.  This spring though has been outstanding for me (sure average for many folks) and I'd like to keep it taht way, so I am asking for help on a few things.

First, when do you untie the union?  I didn't have the real buddytape so I used a grafting tape I got on Amazon, less stretchy and doubled over so it could be tied snug.  I am concerned that it will girdle my graft if I don't cut it off or untie it.  I have had some grafts on for almost a month now and they have pushed, some for less and they have also pushed.  One or two gave the headfake of a push then stalled.  My question is how long should I leave the union tied?

Second, it has been unusually dry in my region and with new growth on the grafts should I be wetting the plant?  My grafts are on older trees (2 to 4 years old) and pushing spring growth on other branches I didn't graft to.  Were it not for the grafts I wouldn't even be thinking of wetting a couple of these plants, I will of course wet the ones in pots.  My question is should I be wetting a grafted plant that has started to push and how much?

Lastly, I have no plans to fertilize these plants anytime soon.  Is this a best practice or should I be feeding them now and what with? Nitrogen rich fertilizer, a dressing of home made compost?

I will appreciate any feedback and thanks in advance.

First I have heard and read that Cherimoya don't do well in FLorida.  I am not disputing this and I fully agree.  I am happy with its role as rootstock or interstock for pond apple.

That said, I am curious and want to understand why this is the case.
Can someone point me to a good source of information on this subject.  I want to be as educated as I can been this topic which has been very intriguing to me.  Is it light, temperature moisture, all of the above, none of the above.

Point me to where I can learn, not about growing Cherimoya, but about why it is not suited for South Florida.


I pruned one tree and will be pruning a couple more in the next few days,
I have a few scions of Birula, and soon a few of African Pride and Pinks Mammoth that I can trade for other atemoya or ilama (or other annona that does well in FL).  I will take an IOU for later this year or next spring if you don't have scions now.

PM me if you are interested, or if you have something else that you will like to give in trade.

Sorry I can't ship international.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / My first season of Atemoya fruits
« on: March 01, 2020, 06:09:06 PM »
Here are pictures of the first fruiting from Birula.

What I thought was a Pinks Mammoth, not so sure it is.  Can anyone confirm this looks like a Pinks? Almost looks more like a Calostro image JF posted a year or two ago.  Anyway, I like the fruit and want to know what it is.

This is the AP. 

One last thing, is White an Cherimoya or atemoya?  I grafted it as interstock between Pond Apple and Atemoya and it did well.  I cut it back to prepare to graft on Atemoya and if is throwing a few flowers.  Just curious, should I take them off off or let them compete for resources with my grafts?

I am interested in building my cado collection. 
I want to graft Nishikawa and Superhass onto two two plus year-old trees that I have (1 in a pot and 1 in the ground).
PM me if you have some.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jackfruit - young flower getting mold
« on: February 25, 2020, 11:21:02 PM »
I planted a Jackfruit that flowered for the first time last year and lost all 3 flowers (at different times) the same way, they got moldy and fell off.
It has flowered again this year and the first flower again got mold and fell off.
I looked it up and I am thinking perhaps Jackfruit Rhizopus rot.  I didn't remove the old flowers that dropped and I let some weeds grown under the tree.
If it is Jackfruit Rhizopus rot, does anyone have experience with this and how to manage it,  Also any best practices for fruiting Jackfruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / How do I save flooded plants
« on: August 26, 2019, 08:05:26 PM »
Got this freak rain that has many of my plant in a low part of my yard under water.
It gets wet there but this time there is standing water at least 1 to 2 feet deep depending on where in the yard the plants are.
I don't have anything in the ground (except pond apples) in the deepest area (I knew that area flooded) but I have some large potted plants.
Some plants are in the ground in or close to the shallow parts and are either waterlogged or in a few inches of standing water.

The flooding is from a canal behind my house which overtopped its bank spilling into my yard plus my runoff that has nowhere to drain to until the canal levels are lowered.  Unfortunately, hundreds of acres drain tinto the same canal and it will take time to drain the entire basin so I expect things will be wet or soggy for a few days.

What are my options.

I can move the smaller pots to higher ground.
The huge pots are way too heavy to move and I expect roots have grown into the ground locking then in place.  If I absolutely had to, I may be able to rig something up to pull these to slightly higher areas.

I have no clue what I can do to the inground plants.

All suggestions are welcome.

Potted: pineapple, dragon fruit, atemoya on cherimoya rootstock, guanabana, mango and longan
In ground: mango, jackfruit, dragon fruit, miracle fruit.

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