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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fuerte Graft
« on: June 30, 2022, 10:44:41 PM »
im not an expert but yea, i think you have to do something to initiate growth. right now the hass is still the apex stem... not sure if you should bend/break the hass portion or cut it off completely though. do pull any hass suckers off once the fuerte does pop though (they can even come up out of the soil)!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Variegated sparkleberry
« on: May 25, 2022, 01:05:26 PM »
very cool. I've got a sparkleberry growing on the lot next to me that is over 20ft tall.  It's a tree!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: SHOW OFF:WAX MYRTLE
« on: February 01, 2022, 01:35:11 PM »
these grow like weeds around me (pensacola area). all over the untamed lots in my neighborhood.  i just transplanted several to a property line on a lot i purchased - I hope they survive. should make a nice natural fence if they do.

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Hi saltwater, my issue is that it is still too early to graft here in N. FL. temps are too cold.
he says his trees are starting to pop already.

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i've got brogden. two small trees - one is actually flowering right now. not a ton of extra limbs at the moment, but may be able to spare a cutting or so. i'm over in pensacola. I'm on the lookout for mexicola grande and other mexican/mexican hybrids.

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the fact that there was a group in Oregon trying to also do it give me hope that it may be possible.

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so no one has tried some backyard grafting of v. arboreum?

I may have to give it a try myself...

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I stumbled upon a HUGE blueberry "tree" on the lot next to my property. Apparently, it's a Vaccinium arboreum. There are many wild-growing bushes all over the wooded areas in my area mostly 4 ft to 7 ft tall. This one is the largest at over 20ft. The berries have blueberry flavor but are mostly skin and seed (so not worth picking).

Anyone have experience growing these? Or grafting them? I found some info saying OSU was trying to use them as rootstock for commercial varieties.

I'm in N. Florida (panhandle).

Vaccinium arboreum
https://gardeningsolutions.ifas.ufl.edu/plants/trees-and-shrubs/trees/sparkleberry.html

grafting reference
https://www.growingproduce.com/fruits/new-blueberry-growing-system-could-help-improve-efficiency/









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Yes, the second photo is trifoliata (Rootstock).

yes, the punchline is that my brother-in-law cut the orange tree down... allowing the rootstock to completely take over.

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so my brother in-law trimmed the lower portion of his citrus trees a few years ago. He has a young boy and didn't want low-hanging branches with spines... He asked me why they weren't producing oranges anymore. I took a closer look for the first time.

 :o

They are now like 15 ft tall (2 trees). How do I break it to him?  Should I propose cutting the tops off and re-grafting higher up? Maybe chest height (?)



you can see the trimmed trunk in the middle... I think that was an important trunk.  :-\  He did this to both trees. My guess is the rootstock suckers was already taller than the orange tree when he went to trim it.





the foliage of the remaining trunks.

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Citrus General Discussion / which nutrient deficiency (photo)
« on: September 16, 2021, 10:07:45 AM »
Does anyone else have trouble meeting your citrus' trees demand for nutrients? Mine are mostly 1-2 year old nursery stock (navel, hamlin, satsumas, lemons - some still in pots some in the ground) and I'm using citrus fertilizer (as instructed on the bag) but various trees (some not all) are still showing various deficiencies. I'm in 9a FL btw.

here is a navel orange leaf. I'm trying to figure out what it needs. Iron or Manganese? It is on new leaves not old. Newer growth is an even lighter color. Best way to apply the needed nutrients? Apparently, the regular citrus fertilizer I've applied hasn't been enough.





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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mexicola avocado cuttings
« on: April 23, 2021, 11:46:31 AM »
I am thinking you may not have had the right scion grafted to your Mexicola.

That is exactly the opposite experience we've had with ours.  Mexicola is one of my favorite avocados by far.

I find it difficult to eat some other varieties due to how good they are.  Mexicola Grande is also quite good--like Spaugh said, though, it is a monster of a tree and needs space to stretch its legs.

How old is your Mexicola?
Do you have experience with other Avocados in your climate? which ones would you recommend besides Mexicola in your climate?

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i second sweet potato greens. they grow really well in hot humid FL.

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It is in the ground and not producing... but it is starting to lose the yellow leaves. Just leave it? When is it safe to first fertilize this spring?

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The deficiency is a nitrogen deficiency..  The symptoms for a nitrogen deficiency in citrus are:  Totally yellow leaves with no variation of color, or yellow/orange veins with some green to the sides.  Note: 1 inch of irrigation either from rain or hose can leach nitrogen 1 to 2 feet down in sandy soil.  A combination of low nitrogen and cool weather could also be involved.

thanks for the insight! Do you recommend fertilizing during winter right now? If so, how much would be safe?

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I have a few citrus trees in the yard I planned this spring. Several have leaves turning yellow.
One is a blood orange (pictured below)... the photo is a couple of weeks ago - now some of the leaves on the top of the plant are dropping. The yellowing started occurring as it got cooler out (Nov i think is when i noticed it).  I'm thinking it is a nutrient issue... but i'm afraid to fertilize in winter. I stopped fertilizing in Sept/Early Oct. There are also two mandarines that are showing signs similar, but not as bad. A 4th tree ( Hamlin orange) doesn't really show symptoms like this. We do get strong north winds as I'm near a bay on the gulf but haven't really dipped below freezing this year (yet). I have not tested soil (haven't had soil issues with any plants/trees), but the trees performed great during the summer with regular citrus-specific fertalizer.




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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus ID from flower bud (?)
« on: October 07, 2020, 06:14:49 PM »
thanks. that's what i was thinking too. i'll report back.

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Citrus General Discussion / Citrus ID from flower bud (?)
« on: October 07, 2020, 05:27:01 PM »
I have an unidentifed citrus tree i aquired in a container... saved from my neighbor's trash. Neighbor knows nothing about it. No info about it except what I can observe.

I pruned it because it was massively lopsided and needs reshaping. It exploded with flowers.

Can anyone give me a clue of what this might be based on the flowers?  Some of the flowers have light purple on them. Most are just white. They are all white when opened.

Even in the relm of lemon, orange, grapefruit would help.  It is 3 ft (tall) x 4ft (wide) has a few small (1cm) spines.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lula Avocado
« on: October 06, 2020, 09:17:51 PM »
How cold tolerant is the lula variety? I'm in N. FL. I picked up a small lula in spring and it put on a lot of growth. Alas, it was washed away by Hurricane Sally. Would like to find a replacement if it can handle below freezing temps.

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Trust me, you didn't lose anything of value with Joey.  Stay away from those cold hardy Mexican types that originated here in south Texas. They suck.


that's kinda what i've been reading on these forums about Texas avos.

We need to find a variety that is cold hardy and can withstand N. Fl summer heat/humidity.
One of the trees i lost had a brogden graft i was hoping to experiment with. Since i can start fresh, what varities might you recommend for this area?

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Very interesting and thanks for the tips!

I do have a .6 acre lot near the water S. of milton... but again too close to the water - it is in the flood zone (all of garcon point is a flood zone...). It should be close enough that I may be in more fully a 9a zone. On the positive side, all the trees i had in 1.5 ft raised planters (you can see two in the second photo) faired just fine. SO i may go more toward that route.

I will be checking out some asian markets soon and will go to the one you mention. Would love to check out the UF greenhouses.
My neighbor to the .6 acre lot has 30 acres of ag. designated land with horses... maybe i could get some 'restoration' greenhouses there!

Well I will say this.. some trees can take extended flood conditions.. what comes to mind are our native American persimmons and lychees among some others.. also some plants can take higher levels of salt in the soil than others.. synthetic fertilizers contain various nutrients in salt forms.. also it rains so much in this part of Fl, even if the bay (which is brackish, probably half the salinity of ocean water or even less) did flood your coastal land, depending on the time of year, heavy rainfall could probably dilute the residual brackish salts, at least in theory. Even planting on a slight slope or mulch mound would likely help with that a good bit.
I wouldnít say any of our sub-towns (Navarre,GB, Perdido,Pcola, Garcon/Milton) are reaally in a completely solid 9a zone... what I mean by that is yeah, 4 out of 5 years the average low will be somewhere between 22-27F, and evidence from the last century of lows does indicate we are warming up a bit (we havenít hit a low of 15F in over 20 years, although in the 1980s it got into single digits..) but occasionally in that fifth year or whatever it will dip into the upper teens, and even what seems like a small stray from the normal lows will spell disaster for many if not most subtropicals.. unless you have very specific varieties that can handle brief upper-teen temps or even prolonged 20s temps ( a few years ago I believe we had a 20-hour frost in the 20s and low 30s F.. although furthermore I will say that some things like mangos and papayas, even when burnt down to a stump, can sprout back from that stump. Because the immediate crust of the earth and anything under the soil or mounded up with soil will never even freeze at all (the crust maintains above freezing temps, at least for sure in our area)
As for the Asian markets I usually go to the Bien Dong or Asia Market on E. Cervantes, although thereís another called My Tan thatís smaller, and I spotted out one called Tonyís Asian Market on Olive Rd near scenic but I havenít stopped by that one yet..

again, appreciate the insight.

Avoid Tony's though... i stopped there recently and they didn't have any fresh fruits or veggies to speak of.

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Very interesting and thanks for the tips!

I do have a .6 acre lot near the water S. of milton... but again too close to the water - it is in the flood zone (all of garcon point is a flood zone...). It should be close enough that I may be in more fully a 9a zone. On the positive side, all the trees i had in 1.5 ft raised planters (you can see two in the second photo) faired just fine. SO i may go more toward that route.

I will be checking out some asian markets soon and will go to the one you mention. Would love to check out the UF greenhouses.
My neighbor to the .6 acre lot has 30 acres of ag. designated land with horses... maybe i could get some 'restoration' greenhouses there!


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garcon pt, but moved to G.Breeze for the time being. Fortunate I could just leave the mess of the apartment and just move out since i was just renting.

I wasn't planning on planting the seedlings in the ground. I was going to let some mature and then keep them in the gardenhouse during winter. To be honest, I was planning on selling the extras locally.

I'd be interested in cold hardy lychee / longan for sure! That's a great experiment you have going. Did you eat all the lychee to get the seeds yourself? You must have access to a productive tree (?).

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Yup, I'll be more prepared next time no matter what the news and weather man say. I've only been in FL for a year, so this was my first hurricane. Big wake up call!


Thanks everyone else for the kind words. We're spending most of our time helping neighbors clean up since many got it worse than we did.

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