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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: September 19, 2021, 03:05:58 PM »
I'm not sure that would work. We get really cold winter weather sometimes and I think the rootstock would be the only survivor.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: August 09, 2021, 08:18:04 PM »
I spoke too soon - the larger of my two cherimoyas does appear to have some fruit set. Years of hand pollinating has finally paid off. Perhaps wearing a bumblebee costume did the trick! Actually I think the tree just wanted to be of a certain size. It is seed grown and produces a lot of flowers so I get to practice often.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: April 04, 2021, 07:42:35 PM »
Here's my years later update (see the original post). My only surviving potential pawpaw x cherimoya cross has finally bloomed and the flower looks just like a pawpaw and it bloomed at the same time as my other pawpaws. I believe the mother plant (pawpaw) may have been influenced by the presence of cherimoya pollen but that a cross never occurred. Everything about this tree has been true to pawpaw. There was no cherimoya-ness to the leaf shape, the growth style, the stem color and now the flower color and shape.

I get more fruit from the row of pawpaw trees than any normal human could eat, but neither of the two cherimoya trees have ever made a fruit. I will try to master the art of hand pollination. I hear these are difficult in Florida so my climate may have the same roadblocks (high summer heat and humidity).

The original pawpaw tree that had the one branch that bloomed in late summer, where I attempted to cross with cherimoya pollen from my greenhouse collection, that tree has been dead for a while. The branch that bloomed twice in one year eventually died and then the entire tree died.

Many years ago I grew this plant so you are not the first to offer it. I didn't sell the plants but I did trade seeds with forum members. I had visited Medellin, Colombia and loved eating this fruit, when my friends came to the states to visit they brought me some seeds. Lately I have switched to Cocona because it handles our high heat of summer better. I can buy Lulo pulp at my local grocery store here in North Carolina, the package will call it Naranjilla but the flavor is of Lulo.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa cold tolerance ??
« on: September 23, 2020, 12:08:39 PM »
I'm in zone 7b (Raleigh, North Carolina) and I can grow them just fine. Our winters are mild with only a few weeks of really cold weather scattered throughout the season. Although it can get down to 10-12 degrees F, it is rare. Only a couple of hours drive north into the Virginia mountains (I assume zone 6) people can keep the plants alive but they never get fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Renovation on greenhouse
« on: July 05, 2020, 11:39:52 AM »
I have a 20' by 30' hoop house with a 15' center ridge and take my plastic off during the summer. Once the trees get tall they are damaged by the heat build up in the top parts of the greenhouse interior. Even with vents open. Even with the doors open and large fans blowing. Even with a shade cloth (only 30%). I have learned to do the work all by myself, it only takes a few hours to pull two layers of greenhouse film over the structure. I keep the shade cloth on all year and it helps with any hail or heavy rains. The only problem has been strong winds knocking over the taller trees, which are top heavy because they are being grown in large pots. It keeps things cooler and I don't have to water as often.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best way to root feijoa cuttings?
« on: April 26, 2020, 05:25:52 PM »
A long time ago I attended a lecture at our local arboretum about a recent trip to New Zealand. The speaker had a slide of an entire grove of different cultivars of Feijoa and showed the nursery where all sorts of fruits were being propagated. He said that the workers told him that they only get one cutting in the thousand to root using standard methods (snip, strip, dip and stick). I have a row of seed grown pineapple guavas that only produce if I hand pollinate them and then one lonely bush up near the house that I bought from a nursery. I keep trying to root a cutting of it to move down to the others and after 10 years I have never had it happen.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please id this sour Borneo eggplant
« on: May 05, 2019, 11:01:45 AM »
It looks a lot like Solanum quitoense 'Naranjilla', or Solanum sessiliflorum 'Cocona' from South and Central America. When I've cooked Cocona with a splash of lemon juice and good amount of sugar it cooks down a jam that taste a little like mango.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Hardy cactus with edible fruit?
« on: January 10, 2019, 06:29:10 PM »
I brought various un-named species of Opuntia with me when I moved from Oklahoma City (zone 6 or 7) to Raleigh NC (zone 7b). Oklahoma has hotter and longer summers and the fruit there had decent flavor (not quite the same as cactus in Arizona or California. The fruit from these same plants when grown in NC has hardly any flavor. I am going to try fertilizing them more to see if I can improve the taste.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Potted Longan - keep or toss?
« on: December 09, 2018, 05:57:33 PM »
So I have this hoop house I seal up tight for winter (I'm in zone 7b, Raleigh NC). It's 20' by 30' with a 15' center ridge built on old basketball court asphalt pad. I grow fruit trees in large containers. Some I move outside for summer and others are too big to move so they stay in the structure all year. I grow a lot of stuff from seed. I have a Longan that I grew from grocery store fruit seed and it is a monster. I have to trim it back every year to keep it away from the ceiling plastic. It blooms and fruit every year. Some years the fruit is larger than others, but it has never made fruit the size that I originally purchased from the store. This could be because it is a seed grown tree or it could be because it is growing in a container. The fruit is nothing special flavor wise either. My dilemma is that other trees are finally getting up to fruit bearing age and produce much tastier fruit (guavas and mangoes along with citrus). I have whittled down the citrus collection to the top performers and I would like to let the Ruby Supreme Guava get as big as it wants because I like the flavor and it fruits for a much longer period.

My question is, do you think the flavor and fruit size will improve if I plant it in a larger container? feed it regularly?

I have the same problem with a tree fern. It's getting to the point where it will touch the ceiling and I either have to chip a hole in the floor and plant it in the ground or find it another home. We have dry periods and it sulks during them, making it not a showstopper in the collection.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya/Pawpaw hybrid
« on: November 14, 2018, 07:58:00 PM »
usirius - do you get any natural pollination on cherimoya? I have to hand pollinate my flowers, the local insects ignore them.

I still have two of the possible hybrids. They have been very slow growing which is typical for pawpaws under my care. I have had them outside in pots this fall but my drag them into the greenhouse to save them from harsh winter weather. The leaves look just like pawpaw leaves so I doubt they are hybrids.

For years I collected and sowed seeds for my pawpaws but now I simply wait for a very rainy day in the middle of the winter after the suckers around the parent trees have gone dormant and I simply pull the suckers out of the ground. They snap off of the mother plant's root with a sort of an elbow shape and often one tiny fragile root. I pot them up with standard potting soil and leave in a sheltered area. They sprout in the spring and usually start growing very fast. I plant them in the ground after one full year in a pot (to get maximum root growth). Some of these transplants even flower and fruit while still very small. This method is much better than seed growing for me.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: June 09, 2018, 01:18:08 PM »
Triloba - I don't know the parentage. A local nursery obtained the fruit from a research orchard where all the trees were named varieties. There aren't many wild pawpaws in this area so I doubt any of them crossed with wild plants. The story I heard is that the orchard was multiple acres big so more than likely all the known named varieties were there.

I've tasted a lot of pawpaws and though there are differences, those differences are minor - at least to my palate. I can taste differences in fruit taken from the same branch of the same tree. I think how the fruit is harvested and handled after harvest impacts the flavor more than the variety.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Wild Pawpaw Watch Thread
« on: June 09, 2018, 09:52:08 AM »
Winter weather in Raleigh was only super cold the first half (got down to 4 degrees) and kinda normal the second half. At least we didn't have the hard freeze like we did in April of 2017. Here on the south side of town the weather has been very dry, ten miles away they are flooding. There are no wild pawpaws in the woods around my house so nothing for me to contribute there. I do have one tree that was won in a raffle that claimed to be a wild variety but now that it is fruiting I think it is just an un-named cultivar and that they meant "native" when they said "wild". All the other pawpaws in the garden are seedlings of named cultivars. One of them is my 'super producer', always making more fruit and larger fruit than all the others. This year, due to the dry weather I am spending a lot of time keeping them watered, so far so good.

My greenhouse (actually a hoophouse that I seal up as tight as possible in the winter) is 20 by 30 with a 15 foot center ridge. I used to heat it with an old wood burning stove but going out there every hour or so to toss more logs on the fire got old after a couple of years so I broke down and bought a poultry barn electric heater (slightly cheaper than an electric greenhouse heater). It did require an electrician to install a 220 line to it but I already had one because the lot used to have an above ground swimming pool. On a normal winter it only costs me $35 - $50 per month for four months of hard winter. During really cold snaps (like right now) it costs me about a $100 per month. I'm in zone 7b so winters are generally mild. The hoophouse sits on the asphalt pad of an old basketball court which extends out beyond the structure, so when the sun shines it heats up and transfers a lot of heat to the floor of the hoophouse. I also allow it to heat up in the middle of the winter, the peak of the day heat will warm up the potting media in the pots and that will keep everything warm long into the evening.

My tree is about 8 feet tall and 10 feet wide, maybe 5 years old (but I bought a tiny little graft-ling)

I prefer mulberries but this year I did not get much of a crop.

These Che taste very sweet, kinda fiber-ey, no seeds, with a strong hint of melon. I can only eat a few of them each day, I find them too sweet (I'm the same way with Muscadines or Scuppernogs).

My small tree is finally mature enough to really fruit. I think this is year 5 or maybe 4. It has fruited the last two years but the berries were small and never fully ripened. Every time I have tasted them on other people's trees they tasted like really ripe cantaloupe but this year mine are tasting like watermelon.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Early August zone 7b fruit crops
« on: August 08, 2017, 04:40:39 PM »
Citradia - I have Black tupelo in the woods beside the house also. The dogs snarf up the fruit when it falls (mid July this year), I've tasted it and found it way astringent and harsh but people supposedly make jelly with it.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Early August zone 7b fruit crops
« on: August 06, 2017, 05:39:23 PM »
TT - I never got a taste of the seed source fruit. Friends that work for a local nursery told me how wonderful the fruit was and said that they had collected the seed to grow out and sell. I bought four seedlings from them. My taste buds are not as refined as others and I don't pick up a lot of differences in the various named fruits. I have had one that did taste more like a mango than anything else (not from my trees). I have had fruit that taste wonderful along side fruit that was just so-so and they both came off the same tree at the same time. This year the fruit is just okay, nothing special. This could be due to the odd weather we have had so far - wet mild spring after very warm winter with hard freeze in April and now blistering hot and bone dry. Everything has been early in the garden this year.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Early August zone 7b fruit crops
« on: August 06, 2017, 10:27:16 AM »
Things are bone dry here in Raleigh NC but it looks like all my hard work watering is paying off with bumper crops of fruit. I've harvested most of the fall crop of Blackberries (Prime Ark Freedom) and the table grapes (Fredonia) have been made into jelly - sorry no photos of either of them, but here's what else is going on in the backyard:

Ogeechee Lime - actually a Tupelo not a citrus

unnamed pricky pear - cactus do fine here if you plant them in a mound of gravel. The fruit doesn't seem to have the intensity of flavor I remember from out west so I plan on harvesting these early and see if that helps.

Cranberries - you don't need bog but you do need acid soil and near constant weeding to keep them happy.

no name trees grown from seed (from named cultivars). The worst thing about pawpaws is that you get a landslide of fruit at one time. Kitchen fridge is full, basement chest freezer is full...

Everything else in the veggie garden is crispy yet this one lonely rhubarb keeps chugging along (don't tell him that we've been over 100 degrees)

Got watermelons planted late but even with the drought they're happy.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Ogeechee Lime seedlings blooming
« on: April 27, 2017, 08:30:02 AM »
The tree I saw was past the fruiting stage and the fruit I gathered off the ground was pretty rotten so I didn't taste them. The person showing me the tree said that they are very sour and have to be watered down a lot in order to use them (he didn't like them). I've been hand pollinating them and it looks like they are fertilized so I should have fruit to taste this summer.

I've always heard that this type of tupelo only grows wild along the Ogeechee river but at another stop on that day of tours a nursery owner told me that he grows tons of them to sell as seedlings to the stream bank restoration companies throughout the state (SC) so they are now planted along many rivers and streams.

They're supposed to be hardy to zone 7 (I'm zone 7b).

looks like some sort of Ruellia - Mexican Petunia

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Ogeechee Lime seedlings blooming
« on: April 14, 2017, 09:30:05 AM »
Sometimes I get lucky, very very lucky! Two summers ago I was in Florence South Carolina at a Southern Fruit Fellowship meeting (garden club for backyard fruit growers of the south). While on one of the tours a tree I've been looking for was pointed out to me - Ogeechee Lime (Nyssa ogeche) a type of tupelo, not a citrus. I was allowed to gather fallen fruit, which I took back to Raleigh where I cleaned the seeds and sowed them. I was thrilled when TWO of the seeds actually sprouted. Here I am today with two small potted trees that are maybe 4 feet tall but appear very healthy. I was finally going to get around to planting them in the ground when I discovered that they were blooming (they're just babies!) and surprise surprise one is a male and the other is a female! The trees look alike so the only way to tell if you have both sexes is to wait until they bloom, which normally would take years. So I will be adding another native fruit to my collection - Ogeechee Lime which I guess could actually make fruit at a much younger age then I predicted. Lucky Lucky Me!

a shot of the male blossoms

a shot of the female blossoms

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What to grow next?
« on: March 24, 2017, 08:32:32 AM »
Welcome to the hobby! I'm in Raleigh if you want to visit and see what your life will look like in a couple of years. In the ground I have most of the common trees, bushes and vines as well as Jujube, Pineapple Guava, Loquat, Goumi, native Passionvine and Fuzzy Kiwis. I grow all the normal vegetables for the area as well as Rhubarb, Yacon, Ginger, Turmeric, Galangal, Roselle, Yucca, Sugarcane, Tea camelia, Cocona and a larger fruiting form of Naranjilla known as Lulo. And then there is the greenhouse where I experiment with more tropical plants such as many types of Citrus, Guavas, Papayas, Pineapples, Passionfruit, Sherbet berry and a dwarf Mulberry. I have some tropicals that I grew from seed - Longan, Grumichama, Luc's Garcinia, Jaboticaba, Suriname Cherry. In general I give them about 5 years to fruit. Space is limited so if they aren't doing well under my care I find them another home. I don't keep the greenhouse super warm so a lot of tropical plants are off my wish list.   Good luck!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seed grown Longan blooming!
« on: March 22, 2017, 07:19:49 PM »
Greenman62 - yes that's the finger lime. It is grafted onto Poncirus trifoliata. I have no idea how old it is but it is maybe 3 feet tall including the pot. I bought it from the guy that grafted it, I didn't see any mature finger limes in his collection so I don't know where he got it from.

I normally grow Waimanalo papaya (seeds from Oscar) but I saw some Red Lady plants on sale at my local big box retailer so that is the only reason I have them. They hate winter here but snap out of it once it gets hot. I haven't tried rooting cuttings but I have just dug them up and potted them before (mature trees), sometimes it works.

Good to hear that the opuntia should be true to type. The fruit was emerald green when ripe and very intense flavored. I'm not sure how many fruit I can get off of a pot bound plant. I'll decide if it is a keeper after it fruits. It is big enough now so this should be the year. I have a couple of winter hardy optunias in the yard so I can get fruit each summer - it isn't the best quality though.

My normal plan is to grow things from seed to see if I can keep them alive and happy for 5 years then if I like them I buy a grafted named cultivar. I'm at that point with sapodilla and white sapote (forgot to mention them earlier). I've been getting rid of the suriname cherry plants, the fruit tastes like Black Currant to me and I have them in the garden already. My cherimoya is huge and blooms continuously all summer, I keep trying to hand pollinate it but so far my efforts are fruitless. It may end up in a smaller pot so that I can move it outdoors for the summer. Greenhouse space is precious so you gotta produce fruit if you want a prime location.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seed grown Longan blooming!
« on: March 22, 2017, 08:37:42 AM »
I don't know the variety or cultivar. The local Asian market seems to have the same Longan and Lychee each year, at least they don't claim different names on them and they always look the same to me. When I've asked they've said that the fruit came from Florida but I seem to remember them saying that the Longan came from Hawaii that year. I know that every seed sprouted and grew, this one grew faster and appeared stronger. I moved into this house in 2010 and it was a year or two after that move that I sowed those seeds so this tree is less than 7 years old.

I tend to sow every seed I find in tropical fruit just to see if it will grow. There is only so much room in the greenhouse so I focus my collection on smaller trees. I've had good luck getting things to sprout but bad luck getting them to live for years and years. Besides this tree I have a purple fruited Passionvine (Passiflora edulis) that fruits well, a strawberry guava, some Suriname cherries and even a Key Lime tree (a friend sprouted and grew the seedling but gave it to me when it got too big). My big failures have been guava trees, I love eating the fruit but when I grow out the seeds they never taste as good as their parent - after 3-4 years of waiting! Other seed grown plants in the collection that have not fruited but are otherwise healthy are Jabuticaba, Cherimoya, Sapodilla, Indian fig Opuntia, a Luc's Garcinia, an Opuntia from Nullzero (doing great!) and some Jungle plums and Grumichamas from Oscar.

There is also a lot of fruiting plants that I bought as grown trees - Papayas, lots of Citrus.

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