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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Loquat Seeds For Sale???
« on: April 21, 2022, 11:31:27 PM »
I am interested as well. Hopefully you get a few more..

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Georgia Grower Rapidly Reacts to HLB Find
« on: February 24, 2022, 09:15:52 PM »
Maybe home growers can hide their citrus in between other trees and fruit for now, but I think the commercial citrus growers in Georgia will forever be looking over their shoulders now....

Way too much Citrus concentrated, way too close to Florida, with way too many warm spells...
It was a good run....Maybe Tennessee will be the next Citrus Industry location...or the GMO rootstocks will be come more widespread..

Cold Hardy Citrus / Georgia Grower Rapidly Reacts to HLB Find
« on: February 22, 2022, 04:58:24 PM »
Whoops, looks like hlb is starting to spread in South Georgia.  With the growth of the citrus industry,  it was only a matter of time as those areas are too close to Florida. 

Earlier this year, a small grove owner in Grady County, Georgia, noticed some odd-looking trees in his grove. The leaves, having an asymmetrical discoloration, appeared to be nutritionally deficient. In an attempt to remedy the problem, the grower reached out to the Grady County Extension office for help. The Extension agent began his quest to figure out the trees’ issue(s).

After collecting a number of leaf samples, the Extension agent contacted a citrus specialist for assistance and, as a precautionary measure, submitted the samples for testing to the University of Georgia Plant Molecular Diagnostic Lab to determine if the trees were diseased. When the lab results came back, the Extension agent found himself in a situation he had never before encountered — what to do about trees infested with huanglongbing (also known as HLB or citrus greening).

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold hardy lemons
« on: February 14, 2022, 09:25:19 PM »
I do realize that Sudachi and Kabosu are both picked green or right at color break.
It's an intrinsic quality. If they're all picked at the same stage of green, Kabosu will still be less sour than  either Sudachi or Yuzu.
So if Sour is what you really want, you're better off with Yuzu or Sudachi
You can watch any of a number of videos actually showing reactions, or read UCR's notes below:

"  Kabosu fruit was also formally evaluated in September and October from 2003 through 2007 at Riverside, Calif. Slightly larger than Yuzu, the average fruit size has a mean width of 5.3 cm (2.1 inches) and a height of 5.2 cm (2.0 inches), giving an average height-to-width aspect ratio of 0.98 and a more rounded shaped. Kabosu has a mean weight per fruit of 71.2 grams (2.51 ounces). Color break for Kabosu occurs between the first and third week of September. The rind texture is slightly pebbly with a mean thickness of 4.2 mm (.17 inches). The number of seeds per fruit averages 17.2, higher than Sudachi, but lower than Yuzu. The mean juice weight is 20.2 grams (0.71 ounces) and the average juice content is 28.2%, slightly higher than Yuzu, but lower than Sudachi. The juice weight and juice content increased during the sampling dates. The internal flesh color of Kabosu in the green stage ranges from light-yellow to dark-yellow. Kabosu tends to be the least acidic of the three acid types with an average of 3.2% citric acid."

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold hardy lemons
« on: February 13, 2022, 01:46:30 PM »
I've been doing some light research on the citrus variety site:

Khasi papedas may be another hardy lemon-y base worth considering.
Kabosu is similar to zaidaidai and is related to yuzu but more acidic.

true lemons:
A "true" lemon that ripens in fall is the interdonato -

Messinna - "The pulp is very juicy and acidic." early harvest in autumn, poor everbearer

The arancio is mentioned as being hardy & compact but ripening date isn't mentioned & the quality isn't prime

I don't think I've tasted any of these so far however.

Kabosu is consistently reviewed as not very acidic, almost to the point of being insipid. UCR mentions the la hck of acidity versus Yuzu and Sudachi. And people who taste them like weird fruit explorer and a few others say the same. Might want to leave that one alone..

And Hardy for a mainstream lemon is relative. A Lisbon lemon is considered hardy out west because they're comparing it to Eureka..

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold hardy lemons
« on: February 12, 2022, 10:17:58 AM »
I've always though nanshodaidai/taiwanica with an ichang papeda would been a great candidate.
Lemons were supposedy a sour orange with a citron, so a hardy sour orange with papeda seems like a similar cross for a cold hardy lemonlike fruit..

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Deciduous citrus developed in Florida
« on: February 11, 2022, 02:24:09 PM »
Thanks for that info. I'm seriously laughing that the secret ingredient in Florida orange juice is some trifoliate flavor!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yuzu vs. Meyer
« on: February 11, 2022, 12:37:46 AM »
Ok. I have grown both yuzu and meyer lemon. Meyer is very juicy but too thin skinned to get much of the zest. Yuzu has great zest but not enough juice.

I ended up using my seedless Ichang lemon to split the difference.  It's extremely juicy for lemonade and pies, and the zest is just as fragrant as yuzu, but with a few different notes.

If you live in a warmer area, I would get one of the italian high oil varieties like Santa Teresa,  limoneira, sorrento clones,  etc.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Good source for Yuzuquat?
« on: November 07, 2021, 11:46:44 AM »
Hershell at madison Citrus says that he is working on getting this one re-introduced, so maybe in a year or two...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Good source for Yuzuquat?
« on: November 04, 2021, 05:23:10 PM »
That variety is not common. I think Buchanan's nursery in Texas used to have it often. I have a seedling one that started fruiting with 1 fruit this year.  Unfortunately since ga is now in quarantine,  there's no way for me to share it. Maybe one of the nurseries in ga might take the budwood from me and start certification.  But you still won't get it from them if you live in ca, fl, TX, la, etc...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Collins Poncirus processing
« on: October 31, 2021, 11:53:15 AM »
So what exactly will you be doing with this juice?

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus in Ga?
« on: October 23, 2021, 04:19:23 PM »
Zombie update, but now ships withing Georgia..

Wow! The things that people will buy down here!
I wonder how much money these people make from selling this?<br /><br />

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Results of Citrangequat vs Sudachi Taste test
« on: October 19, 2021, 07:25:46 PM »
Attached is a picture of a store bought Eureka vs Sudachi vs Thomasville <br /><br />

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Results of Citrangequat vs Sudachi Taste test
« on: October 16, 2021, 07:36:36 PM »
I didn't get Lime taste from the sudachi at all. It was very mandarin tasting. Maybe I should have picked them in July, or maybe this isn't actually Sudachi. I do know that Sudachi is usually picked hard green, but this wasn't even at a color break yet...

The Citrangequat has been in ground for 7 years and has done well. The Sudachi does seem to be a very slow grower. It will remain in a pot so that I can take it with me later.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Results of Citrangequat vs Sudachi Taste test
« on: October 16, 2021, 12:35:00 PM »
Ok, so Today I decided to pick one of my Sudachi and one of my citrangequats to compare since I will be moving in a few years.
I unfortunately didn't measure the weight of the fruit before hand.

The Sudachi was 3 times the size of the Thomasville, but the thomasville was definitely more juicy. The Sudachi gave exactly 1 Teaspoon (measured) of juice.  The Thomasville have slightly over 1 teaspoon.

I put the juice in 2 separate cups, and made an ade. 1 teaspoon of simple syruo (1:1 sugar and water), with 3 teaspoons of water.

I marked the cups and put some ice in it, and served to my wife and son.

Interestingly, both my wife and son preferred the Thomasville to the Sudachi-ade. Both said that the Sudachi was more orange-y. 
The Zest of the sudachi was more unique to me. I did taste that slight pepper flavor that people mention. The thomasville zest of course had that citrange component, so I wouldn't try to use that zest in anything.

If the Thomasville zest tasted better, I think it would be a clear winner. More juice, more acid taste, and it's proven more hardy. Juice wise, it's still more useful. I'll try this again when they're both yellow ripe.

Next test will probably be meyer lemons vs ichang lemons...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Moving Citrus?
« on: September 15, 2021, 10:17:27 PM »
So my yuzuquat that I thought dead has recovered very quickly and vigourously. It is way too close to my zombie meyer lemon that won't die. I was thinking of removing one of my pomegranates to put the yuzuquat there. Should I do this in the fall/winter or wait until spring?

I know it'll probably sulk for a few years, which I hate since it just fruited, but those thorns are too vicious to leave nearby..

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Flowering times on citrangequat?
« on: August 19, 2021, 05:18:45 PM »
Since our previous frosts don't come through till November/December, I think these might make it. Especially since they are best green. Let's see....

Cold Hardy Citrus / Flowering times on citrangequat?
« on: August 14, 2021, 01:11:58 PM »
Hey all,

I went outside yesterday, and noticed that my Thomasville was putting out several more flowers. I don't remember it flowering this late in the year before, even with several dozen fruits on it. Is this the kumquat heritage showing or maybe the extreme heat this year?

Even the Meyer lemon has stopped flowering...

South Florida doesn't have a lot of chill hours (pomegranates need some chill to produce fully). And the fungal diseases are bad in the southeast. In a study by UGA, the ones that did the best with humidity (least fungal infections) and high production were Salavatski and Kaj acik-anor. Kazake also did well, but most other varieties will either have low production or get rot on the fruit.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Best zone 8 hardy citrus
« on: July 29, 2021, 03:32:04 PM »
North Florida, probably sudachi,  calamondin, meyer lemon, Satsuma.  Keep in mind that in Florida, like georgia,  California,  Louisiana,  Texas, it might be illegal to grow citrus from seed. You might be restricted to Florida approved budwood. In that case,  don't think you'll get yuzuquat, yuzvange,  or any of the rarer varieties.

Manfromyard,  thank you.  Great info video  - very valuable.   How about some information on the trees that you grow.  I am aware that you grow citrus outside under tunnel cultivation.

I will have to make a thread and maybe take some pictures.
I actually have Yuzu and Sudachi myself, but will be giving the Yuzu to a friend of mine to cultivate for me.

Currently in ground, Citrangequat, Meyer Lemon, Yuzuquat.

Containerized: Sudachi, Bloomsweet, UGA Ichang and Changsha.

Mr. Duncan posted a nice video showing some hardy citrus being grown outside in Coastal Canada.

The sudachi looks super productive!

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus in Ga?
« on: May 10, 2020, 06:52:47 PM »
Check out the Georgia Citrus Association and 1-Dog Ventures. They should have several varieties available :)

They would probably be the best bet, however they don't ship as far as I know so get ready to drive a few hours. They did impose some rules that started in January 2020 here:

I know that 4 winds and Mckenzie had a certificate whenever I used to order. Not sure if it was Aphis or not, and apparently that is now a requirement as of January 1, 2020. I did order most of the varieties I wanted last year just in case something like this was coming. Looks like you can't send material or propagate your own stuff even now, just like California.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Meyer Lemon seed
« on: July 02, 2019, 10:36:31 AM »

I am not far from Peachtree city if that is where you live.
I actually go to Peachtree city every other weekend or so. I have a Meyer that I can give you cuttings from if you’re not too deeply into Fayetteville county.

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