The Tropical Fruit Forum

Attached is a picture of a store bought Eureka vs Sudachi vs Thomasville <br /><br />

Ok, so Today I decided to pick one of my Sudachi and one of my citrangequats to compare since I will be moving in a few years.
I unfortunately didn't measure the weight of the fruit before hand.

The Sudachi was 3 times the size of the Thomasville, but the thomasville was definitely more juicy. The Sudachi gave exactly 1 Teaspoon (measured) of juice.  The Thomasville have slightly over 1 teaspoon.

I put the juice in 2 separate cups, and made an ade. 1 teaspoon of simple syruo (1:1 sugar and water), with 3 teaspoons of water.

I marked the cups and put some ice in it, and served to my wife and son.

Interestingly, both my wife and son preferred the Thomasville to the Sudachi-ade. Both said that the Sudachi was more orange-y. 
The Zest of the sudachi was more unique to me. I did taste that slight pepper flavor that people mention. The thomasville zest of course had that citrange component, so I wouldn't try to use that zest in anything.

If the Thomasville zest tasted better, I think it would be a clear winner. More juice, more acid taste, and it's proven more hardy. Juice wise, it's still more useful. I'll try this again when they're both yellow ripe.

Next test will probably be meyer lemons vs ichang lemons...

Since our previous frosts don't come through till November/December, I think these might make it. Especially since they are best green. Let's see....

South Florida doesn't have a lot of chill hours (pomegranates need some chill to produce fully). And the fungal diseases are bad in the southeast. In a study by UGA, the ones that did the best with humidity (least fungal infections) and high production were Salavatski and Kaj acik-anor. Kazake also did well, but most other varieties will either have low production or get rot on the fruit.

Manfromyard,  thank you.  Great info video  - very valuable.   How about some information on the trees that you grow.  I am aware that you grow citrus outside under tunnel cultivation.

I will have to make a thread and maybe take some pictures.
I actually have Yuzu and Sudachi myself, but will be giving the Yuzu to a friend of mine to cultivate for me.

Currently in ground, Citrangequat, Meyer Lemon, Yuzuquat.

Containerized: Sudachi, Bloomsweet, UGA Ichang and Changsha.

Check out the Georgia Citrus Association and 1-Dog Ventures. They should have several varieties available

They would probably be the best bet, however they don't ship as far as I know so get ready to drive a few hours. They did impose some rules that started in January 2020 here: http://www.agr.georgia.gov/Data/Sites/1/media/ag_news/legal_notices/files/2019/Citrus-Rules-(September-2019)(CLEAN).pdf

I know that 4 winds and Mckenzie had a certificate whenever I used to order. Not sure if it was Aphis or not, and apparently that is now a requirement as of January 1, 2020. I did order most of the varieties I wanted last year just in case something like this was coming. Looks like you can't send material or propagate your own stuff even now, just like California.

Awesome job! I have always thought that a citrumelo X ichangensis would be the best bet for a hardy lemon type looking fruit. I am very excited for you and wait for your evaluation on the fruit after ripening!

To be more serious, this is only about cultivated citrus!.
The cultivated germplasms are very small part of the genetic resource compared to wild citrus.
This theory of four parents can only explain cultivated citrus not wild citrus.

We must be very cautious about all those 'trees'. No use to speak of Tanaka and swingle classifications... 
The modern genetic classifications are breaking everything we were believing in. An example is the papeda family which was centered on Ichang papeda and has been proved completely wrong!

True, indeed. In this article there is no mention of trifoliate citrus or kumquats. So the wild forms are not accounted for here.

Quote from: jim VH on January 03, 2019, 11:14:37 AM

I'll enhance Socal's reposting above by adding that my Thomasville Citrangequat on FD rootstock also survived 8F (-13.3C)in Vancouver Wa. during the same winter.  It, however, was 70% defoliated and showed more small twig damage than either the Yuzu or the Sudachi.

My Thomasville-obtained from Mackenzie farms- has a nice flavor with little or no bitterness.  I add the juice to my apple-quince sauce.

  Interesting, I guess citrangequat is not a stable line and might not grow true from seeds. The F2 and beyond offsprings could be more cold or less cold tolerant.

  I will try to germinate many citrangequat seeds and at 1 year old I will put most of them outside to eliminate those with less cold tolerant. I think I better get rid of those who have dying potential due to freezing. I also plan to get rid of those which show more of trifilate leaves because I guess those with more trifoliate leaves tend to carry down the sourness and bitterness gene from Poncirus.

USDA tried for along time to get Citrangequat hybrids but no avail. All the seeds are clones, and the pollen appears to be sterile as far as researchers could tell.

Citrangequat is a dead end as far as offspring. Just like mules, a few have offspring, but the vast majority never catch.... Better to go one back and start with a citrange. It'll be somewhat easier...

Lavender 87, I can send you seed from Thomasville, but I don't think it is that hard to find. And it will take up to 20 years for first flowers on a Kumquat-hybrid (not sure, but my Kumquat-seedling flowered this year for its first time ab afte twenty years on a PT rootstock)

Kumquat hybrids are usually the fastest flowering per the literature. I have a seedling Citrangequat that took 5 years from seed, which is not long at all. It might have to do with the heat units.

Lavender87, I have a few seeds that have sprouted...

They look great! How do you prepare the feijao for ice cream? I have a few bushes, and am trying to use them in more recipes.

.So poncirus is the only true one outside of the Citrus family proper?

Citradia, good job. Can't wait to get fruit from mine. 10 seeds sounds like a lot for a seedless fruit.