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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Using up those Citrangequats!!!
« on: October 16, 2016, 10:59:57 PM »
This one is from seed, and is about 6 years old now.
It started producing last year.
If only my Yuzuquat got the hint. That one has yet to produce a thing. However, it did get zapped hard from the ice storm 2 years ago, so maybe next year...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Using up those Citrangequats!!!
« on: October 16, 2016, 05:05:05 PM »
So I finally got some time to take a look at the tree this year. This one always is a great producer. So let's see what we can do with these.

First up, key lime pie or rather, citrangequat pie...
First ingredient, 1 Thomasville citrangequat tree!

I picked quite a few fruit, but I still have enough for maybe 3 or 4 more of these..


I actually needed less of these than I thought, because they are so juicy. The skin is very thin, but I was able to zest them easily enough.


The finished product. And my wife promptly adopted the first slice.


BTW, the remnants made an excellent margarita, if you're so inclined. I think I'll use some to make a nice persimmon and peach hot sauce since I have an excess of habaneros and fuyus this year......

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichang Lemon
« on: September 14, 2016, 11:21:22 PM »
I pestered Stan Mckenzie for 3 years. He somehow had one sitting around last year (because these are not usually grafted at all) and I snatched it up.
Sometimes you just have to stay open. I snatched up a Yuzuquat from someone else 2 years ago just by having space in may car and some cash.
I have 4 or so seedling Bloomsweets that I can't give away. No-one wants them.....

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichang Lemon
« on: September 13, 2016, 10:41:44 PM »
Yes, I was at that Tifton grove as well. I wanted an Ichang to taste, but a young man saw one first and jumped and took it. I didn't see any more then. I have a grafted one in a pot that I hope will fruit in a year or two....

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Ripe fruit dropping
« on: June 16, 2016, 08:37:12 AM »
I am from Atlanta, and I have noticed a lot of drop too. This is on my citrangequat, as well as non citrus trees, like fuyu persimmons. I think the drought and earlier heat is to blame. Even fruit that are past the stage of development that you would think of, are falling off the tree....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmon tree problem
« on: April 24, 2016, 07:05:25 PM »
I love a good looking lawn and have wondered about weed n feed ferts and fruit trees. Thanks for the link.

My trees are in my lawn. I don't  use weed n feed.
I use pre-emergent 3 times a year, and straight fertilizer another 3.
Weednfeed doesn't do either well, and it can mess up your other plants.

If you use glyphosate, your best bet is to use in fall and winter, and hand pull the rest of the year. You could ALSO use cardboard as a barrier then spray, but I'm leery of breeze and spray droplets....

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Mapping The Citrus Genome
« on: December 25, 2015, 06:23:42 PM »
As far as resistance, the trifoliate and its hybrids seem to be the most resistant. The University of Florida released information on several hybrid rootstocks that seemed almost invulnerable to greening, and all of them were based off trifoliate. I think sour orange was next in resistance

Time for them to bring back the citrangequat as a parent!  :)

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Ichang and Tiwanica lemon
« on: November 11, 2015, 02:00:47 PM »
I've always wanted an Ichang for the fragrance, but I can't find anyone with a grafted form Those things take 8-10 years from seed, and I just can't commit to that wait.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: First crop of Citrangequats
« on: November 11, 2015, 01:56:41 PM »
Yes. This one is Thomasville. I know some people complain about the taste, but it's very limeish tasting. I mixed some with rosemary simple syrup and some water, and my wife and her aunt didn't throw up The wife said that it tasted a wee bit unripe though.

I also have an 10/3&4 Citrangequat. in a pot, growing large enouhg to transplant next spring

Although edible you won't be smiling when you taste them. In 2000 I bought a 3 gallon with fruit.
When I got home I tasted the fruit and it was the worst tasting citrus I had ever tried, that is until I tried a citrange. I wondered why
any nursery would sell such a tree. Grafted it to satsuma so I could eat the fruit.

It's definitely no satsuma, but I've tasted worse sour citrus such as Kaffir Lime and Yuzu
I basically use it for cooking and drinks.
Unless I luck out, I doubt it will ever get to the ripe stage in 7B.

Those of us below zone 8 have to take what we can get Stuff like Citrangequats and Ichang lemon are our best shots.

If you can get away with Meyer Lemons, I would definitely take that over a citrangequat, but since I'm half a zone away from in ground Meyers..

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: First crop of Citrangequats
« on: September 28, 2015, 09:13:50 PM »
 :( Thank you Ilya I guess cuttings it is. USDA has literature stating that it roots very easily, so I guess I'll try that.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: First crop of Citrangequats
« on: September 25, 2015, 10:19:26 AM »
Citradia: How old is your tree? Mine is about 4 or 5 years old. Got it fro Stan Mckenzie in 2013.

Millet: I'm leaving most of them till Winter to taste them riper as well as try to get some seeds for backup. The green ones have all been seedless. If no seeds develop, I'm going to take some cuttings to try and root just in case...  :-\

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus
« on: September 24, 2015, 08:43:58 PM »
Just an update,

My yuzuquat and citrangequat both came back strong. They're winners!

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: First crop of Citrangequats
« on: September 23, 2015, 04:28:37 PM »
Yes. This one is Thomasville. I know some people complain about the taste, but it's very limeish tasting. I mixed some with rosemary simple syrup and some water, and my wife and her aunt didn't throw up The wife said that it tasted a wee bit unripe though.

I also have an 10/3&4 Citrangequat. in a pot, growing large enouhg to transplant next spring

Cold Hardy Citrus / First crop of Citrangequats
« on: September 23, 2015, 12:00:40 AM »
Finally got a first crop of these and I'm stoked that it survived the past 2 winters and has set fruit. Yuzuquat is coming back strong as well. And my zombie Meyer lemon is speeding up from its resurrection.  ;D

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: No posts?
« on: May 20, 2015, 08:19:57 PM »
Well Manfromyard, I'm glad your citrus survived and has started to grow. My post was coming from a place of general concern, not criticism. I've enjoyed reading about others' experiences with their cold-hardy citrus, and with the past two cold winters, I was hoping to here from others saying their citrus survived, etc. thanks for your response. I've not heard of "improved " citrangquat; does it have nicer fruit or better cold hardiness than Thomasville? My Thomasville died down to one foot from ground but is growing well now.

I call it "improved", As far as I know, it's unnamed, and has larger fruit than the thomasville. I first heard of it here..

He calls it a 10 &3/4 Citrangequat, and states "It produces an 85-gram fruit and yields more juice than a Thomasville citrangequat. The juice is pleasant and is unburdened by detectable bitter skunkiness of many Poncirus hybrids."

I heard Thomas McKenzie talk about it, and I grabbed it when Woodlanders had it one year. This winter, I'll bring it in, and put it under a lamp. Maybe give it 2 years before planting it out...

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: No posts?
« on: May 19, 2015, 12:08:41 AM »
Well Citradia, Cold Hardy Citrus tend to go dormant, and grow a lot slower than their tropical or sub tropical counterparts.

It's not very eventful to post "My citrangequat got 3 more leaves!"

I think it will pick up in summer time.

As for me, My citrangequat got 3 more leaves!  ;D

LOL. Also my baby Taiwanica came back, as did my "improved" citrangequat.
Maybe when growth picks up, we'll have some more stuff to post...

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus & Cholesterol
« on: February 20, 2015, 11:17:41 PM »
Well, the government finally 'fessed up and admitted that foods high in cholesterol don't really make your cholesterol go up by much.

Sure enough, there it is, buried on page 91 of the 572-page Scientific Report of the 2015 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee: “Previously, the Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommended that cholesterol intake be limited to no more than 300 mg/day. The 2015 DGAC will not bring forward this recommendation because available evidence shows no appreciable relationship between consumption of dietary cholesterol and serum (blood) cholesterol, consistent with the AHA/ACC (American Heart Association / American College of Cardiology) report. Cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern for overconsumption.”

Genetics rule all....

A quick google search brings up this paragraph

"Taste trials in 2010 by Texas AgriLife Research and Extension Center determined that "Suhr Anor," renamed "Pecos," and "Salavatski," renamed "Sal," tied for the best flavor. "Russian 18," or "Texas Red," came in second. "Pecos" is a productive and sweet-tasting fruit. "Sal" is also productive with good fruit color and taste. "Texas Red" was rated as attractive and had the highest soluble solids, a measure of sugar content. "Wonderful," the most common commercial cultivar in the U.S. came in 11th out of 14."

Anyone tired these?

I have Suhr Anor. It also did well in the Florida taste tests, and is very productive in humid climates. However those varieties are selected for cold hardiness as well as productivity in the South. If you live out west in Central/South California, you're probably better off with Parfianka, Desertnyi or Molla Neppes which are softer seeded, and don't need the same degree of cold hardiness.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: SouthEast Citrus Expo 2014 Mini-Report
« on: November 25, 2014, 09:01:07 PM »
I would  estimate maybe 80-100  or so people, not counting the speakers.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: SouthEast Citrus Expo 2014 Mini-Report
« on: November 21, 2014, 10:41:40 PM »
The Changshas were ridiculous, they were fruiting so hard.

Dr. Hannah filled us in. The fruit were about as seedless as he could get them now. The University was waiting on the USDA and some other agencies to give them approval. They were pretty tasty, but the location of the seedless ones must have been a secret, cause none of us in the group could find any.

There weren't many Ichang lemons. They had an off year, cause I sure wanted to taste those.

They were also growing grapefruits there, but I didn't catch the variety that they were using.

All in all, a great experience, and I recommend any citrus growers in the area to attend at least one. I think next time I would definitely try and get up in the wee morning hours to catch all the presentations. And maybe video or audio record because there was so much information that I couldn't remember it all.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: SouthEast Citrus Expo 2014 Mini-Report
« on: November 21, 2014, 10:30:36 PM »

Then on to the guest speakers. I missed a good portion of these coming late and ogling the contest entrants, but got some good info. The Potassium and Mineral lecture by Erik Smith seemed to be pretty interesting. Cold Tolerance By Dr Hanna was what I tried to catch, and it was an excellent summary. As you expected the older the plant, the better his seedless Changsha's and Ichangs did. The best performing rootstock was Flying Dragon, then the regular Poncirus, then the others behind. I'll dig up my notes if anyone wants specifics.

The Q&A was pretty wide ranging. As expected, questions ranged from fertilization, to a lot of concern about Greening and the Asian Psyllid. It then took a turn for the terrifying as the Ambrosia Beetle emerged. This bad boy basically goes into the tree, lives there, and eats the tree to death. It's basically some kind of borer that seems to be unstoppable right now. Some members of the Southern Fruit Fellowship reported seeing them on Figs, Pomegranates, and a host of other fruit.

Then we had the raffle. The hosts did try to make sure everyone won something. I got a nice Banana plant that I have to figure out what to do with. Other plants were Pineapple guavas, figs, and a few nice ornamentals.

Then it was on to the test plots.

Dr. Fonsah gave a great tour that made me wish I had caught his presentation. He also gave plants away to anyone who wanted some, but I had zero room in the car.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: SouthEast Citrus Expo 2014 Mini-Report
« on: November 21, 2014, 10:24:00 PM »
Sorry about the lack of pics at the beginning, but I felt self conscious at first, so it took me a while to get snapping. Coming through the entrance, you registered, and then saw the fruit that was set up for the judging. Towards the end of the day, we were able to sample some of the fruit. Since I had never tasted most of these before, it was a great chance for me. Some standouts:

The dragon lime tasted mostly like a lime, with an extra bitter component. Not too unbearable.

Bloomsweet was okay (I'm not a grapefruit person). Somewhat dry, but decent. Better if you like grapefruit I imagine.

US119 was pretty good. It was not super sweet, but it did look still green. No funky aftertaste that stood out.

The citrange wasn't as bad as I've read on here. It did have a funky aftertaste to it, but I think it could still work for cooking purposes. 

The absolute worst was the kaffir lime. I was fooled by the lime name and tried a taste. It had an awful lingering taste that stuck around for ages. Much worse than any citrange.
The thomasville was solid. Can't wait for mine to fruit. Tasted lime like, with a little sweet on the end.

Kept meaning to try that Dekopon but didn't get a chance.

Cold Hardy Citrus / SouthEast Citrus Expo 2014 Mini-Report
« on: November 21, 2014, 10:06:08 PM »

SouthEast Citrus Expo 2014 Mini-Report

This was my first year attending the Citrus Expo. I drove south from Atlanta, and  3 hours later, here we are:

The first thing that I saw was the plants for sale at the front.They seemed to be Camelias and some citrus with baskets of fruit to sample. Mr. Crawford from Loch Laurel Nursery was very helpful in answering questions and giving samples.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Orange Frost Hardy Satsuma
« on: July 01, 2014, 10:02:44 PM »
I'm growing it in a container. I just bought it this year. I would love to find one at my walmart for trial outside, considering I paid $60 for one at Pikes.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus
« on: May 12, 2014, 10:39:23 PM »
eyeckr, where are you located ? manfromyard is probably from Atlanta or close by. The problem wasn't 2" of snow. The problem was bad icy conditions. Snow isn't too bad. Ice is bad. B'ham , Alabama got slammed too. Manfromyard could be somewhere between the Alabama line and Georgia. Tom
I live in Atlanta metro area. I work downtown and by the time I could leave, it was impossible to get home.
one apple and one bottle of water for 2 days was brutal.

Anyways. My parfianka is resprouting from the ground.  Thomasville is green at the base, but so much of the trunk is dead, that I don't think it can come back,  literally maybe 3 inches of green. I've never heard if citrus other than meyers that can come back like that. I'll try to hold back till the Southeast Citrus Expo before I dig it up and replace it. Might find another yuzuquat there since mine died as well.

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