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nutmeg added

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Some good points being made. 

There is a lot of work into getting these seeds out of country.  It takes work.  Plus it seems fun and all watching the vids of Joe exploring, but I'm sure there's parts of it that are costly or dangerous. Talking to another Brazilian fruit collector, things can go shit very quickly.  He was out of touch for several months.  Only after a long pause in communication did this person reach out back to me saying that he was way laid by chikungunya virus.  If you google it, I'm amazed my friend didn't die.  Taking that into consideration, I would see it as being factored into the seed price. 

Personally for me, there is a price limit before I say I can't buy a seed.  Does Joe have those seeds that I feel I can't justify paying for at the price he's asking?    For me at this point in my life yes (well, maybe I might change my mind later on tinctoria), but knowing the background on this species with the anecdotal experience in collecting it, this definitely gives value.  If you can't afford it or think it's a rip off, that's fine. If you can wait xxx years before the first guys in the states can grow and fruit it, then by then you'll see the price drop to a level that you can afford. 

Good luck Joe.  You are definitely bringing value to the knowledge set of these fruits that you're newly introducing or re-intoducing.  No one knew anything about the Plinia clausa beyond that one random pic sellami used for his initial sale.  Now the knowledge bank at least in the English language has expanded many fold. 

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Canít really ship well and not common in S. florida, illegal to ship from Hawaii.
Youíll likely need a plane ticket.

have a bunch of seeds if you want to buy cheap. 

as bush2beach said, rollinia doesn't ship well.

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Germinated cutete added

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Talisia esculenta added

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia macrobracteolata flowering
« on: February 03, 2023, 05:56:38 PM »
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia macrobracteolata flowering
« on: February 03, 2023, 02:13:10 PM »
I've got xanthocarpa, macrobracteolata, guazumifolia, hirsuta and schlechtendaliana. If others come up, it's on. I am really interested in them. First year leaving them out to suffer the cold and they're champions. Assuredly they'll defoliate but they're not getting damaged beyond leaves.

i have superguabiroba and couple more at the repository still. i should check them out.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia macrobracteolata flowering
« on: February 03, 2023, 05:13:13 AM »
Looking great! I only have one campomanesia which is aromaticum. Do you know if it's any good? I've stayed away from campos though just cause it's mostly plinias I like.
i hear aromaticum is a good one.

But campos vs jabos are like apples and oranges.  can't even compare to each other. flavor profiles are way off different.  BUT.... BUT.... if you are a guava lover this is something to consider as an alternative fruit to grow.

also had a chnace to try campomanesia sp. *superguabiroba*.  Sour flavor, but man, the flavor profile was amazing. plus bigger fruit than schelectendaliana.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia macrobracteolata flowering
« on: February 03, 2023, 05:12:16 AM »
Looking great! I only have one campomanesia which is aromaticum. Do you know if it's any good? I've stayed away from campos though just cause it's mostly plinias I like.
i hear aromaticum is a good one.

But campos vs jabos are like apples and oranges.  can't even compare to each other. flavor profiles are way off different.  BUT.... BUT.... if you are a guava lover this is something to consider as an alternative fruit to grow.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia schlectendaliana toast
« on: February 03, 2023, 05:10:49 AM »
Excellent write up and review.  Based on your description, it sounds like the edibility rating 2/5 bananas is correct on theferns. Although the flavor description sounds interesting, almost enticing, the bitter seeds sound like too much hassle to deal with if you just want to eat the fruit.  Images of the fruit cut open show the entire interior is seeds.  I will pass on growing this one, but really appreciate the review.

there are better fruits to be honest.  jacks, durians mangos star apples etc.  but when you want somethign different i would say this is the one.  plus (I can only say this is for hawaii), aside from wi apple and papayas, and a few others, this camp is fruiting year round.  that in itself is a plus. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Campomanesia macrobracteolata flowering
« on: February 02, 2023, 04:55:45 AM »



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia schlectendaliana toast
« on: February 02, 2023, 04:52:22 AM »
Does a strainer not work? Heat up the fruit in a pot, add sugar, cook down, then pour through a strainer? Maybe cooking the seeds would impart bad flavors. Thanks for the taste report.

Moved out of my house and lost track of many things. Yes...i should spend the $2 for a strainer.  But heating it up idk if that would extract the bitterness.  in any case, i this one is worth trying to grow. 

but then again, it seems like lots of the campomanesias return with good flavor reports.  I will say phaea is not sweet at all so needs some sugar/processing to make it tasty. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia schlectendaliana toast
« on: January 31, 2023, 09:49:31 PM »
Thanks for the writeup

Makes me wonder if it is the one I tried at Fruit and Spice park that was just marked Campomanesia spp. the texture and taste sound similar

There are seed processors for removing them from things like cactus fruit but I think they are a bit pricey

i figure if you're going into it to make money, you'd invest in a machine that would do the job.  But the backyard guys like us, it's just a spoon and the long finger nail.  I'm sure the Health Department would love to hear that....gross...why is there a bandaid in my campomanesia jam?!?!?!?!

But I can't emphasize how nice the flavor is. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia schlectendaliana toast
« on: January 31, 2023, 09:03:49 PM »
So the processing of the 'jam' is not ideal. 
I picked the fruits when they fell.  Cleaned them up.  These fruits that fell were ready to eat.  The outer skin has a bit of velvety touch to it and when you gently squeeze the fruit between your fingers, it's soft and can easy break the skin.  the core of the fruit has that cluster of the flesh is stuck to the seeds.  DO NOT bite into the seeds.  SUPER astringent/bitter.  Enough to make you never want to eat the fruit again.  So I just popped the seeds in my mouth and gently sucked what flesh I could off the seeds and saved them.  Then. there is this layer flesh that is remaining on the side part of the skin. That is the pulp that I gently spooned up and put on the toast. 

Taste... It's like a very aromatic almost want to say pungent guava taste.  Literally the part that I put on the toast has an almost paste like texture. maybe a little grainy.  There's an element of muskiness to it too (i'm not sure if that's the right word to use).

When we had the 2019 HTFG Conference in Kona, Antonio Morschbacker brought some different jams/jellies from Brazil.  One was pitangatuba (wow) and the other was the Campomanesia schlectendaliana. It was super delicious.  But I still cant get over how you would efficiently remove the seeds without letting any strays not finding their way to the jam and giving someone a horrible surprise. 

Most importantly, I like the fact that this species at least in Hawaii is prolific.  Almost throughout the whole year you can collect fruits. I have a flowering Campomanesia macrobracteolata and curious to see if they're going to be generous bearers as schelectendaliana. 

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I have gotten some seeds from them (not this species) before and received them timely enough and in good condition.  One of them did get confiscated from USDA though so I would just say to be cautionary because I believe they are based internationally in Israel if I recall.  Fortunately that was a small order they destroyed but the others made it to California just fine.

did they use the small seed permit? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Campomanesia schlectendaliana toast
« on: January 29, 2023, 08:11:14 PM »




Very delicious. 

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO fruiting red scion wood
« on: January 29, 2023, 04:51:38 AM »
did you get any respone?

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Definitely got fruits from the same seller cause i also paid $40/lb lol whats the best method for getting all the extra flesh off the seed ? Trying to plant these ones out

If you're in NJ and was exposed for any period of time, there is a chance the seeds died.  I notice that when i imported some varieties lat year, half of the whole batches just didn't germinate.  The route in which they flew made a difference.  If they sat on the tarmac in Japan/korea, goners.  So if they were sitting at all for long periods in NJ... but hopefully if they were in teh fruit, the flesh gave some protection from freezing the embryo.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for a Grafted Maprang Tree
« on: January 26, 2023, 02:32:32 PM »
ask me summer 2024.  i may have extra from a project.

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If anyting start downriver and work your way up. 

I'd look at Instagram tags and see if that pulls up any pictures and maybe connect with the owners and figure out when and where they acquired and go from there?  Too bad the thorntree was taken down, woudl've been good to find translators there. 

Or DM Maryoto and Beni?  On IG find "Duriantraveler" 

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Updated one lot of mangosteens (7 seeds)

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you should go see if lonely planet has their thorn tree forum still up and running. if they do, you can select by country and start a thread there with all your questions.  in addition to other travelers being active on that forum, there are many local guides/translators etc that hang out on that site.  you can possibly get good references for translator guides to help you search.  OR you contact lindsay gasik. she does some custom trip itinerary type stuff if you don't want to go on her tours. 

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What part of Thailand will have maprang? Iím planning to go later this year

all over. you can order from distributors or major fruit markets.
Once you go, I need to know where the good loot spots are but it sounds like they might be everywhere. I want to take a trip to SE Asia before I got to college and hopefully try stuff that are hard to come by here like marang, salak, durian, maprang, etc.

I'll PM you.

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What part of Thailand will have maprang? Iím planning to go later this year

all over. you can order from distributors or major fruit markets. 

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