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Title: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Hello everyone,
welcome to the PGA also known as the Psidium Growers Association. These last few years have been filled with new varieties of psidiums, but due to their spot in the meta, there is not much discussion covering these plants. I'm starting this thread to document, discuss, and derive ways to classify, grow, and learn about psidiums (especially the new ones).
I'll go first - here's my psidium eugeniafolia (it is synonym with myrtoides I belive). I've just found a couple flower buds on it so it looks promising. They are fast growers! This one went from a half gallon to a 7 gallon pot rootbound in a year.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bSn5CfV6/IMG-5910.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bSn5CfV6)

Some other interesting psidiums in my collection but not pictured are sartorianum and longipetiolatum.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on March 16, 2023, 05:08:23 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/CdDZTK1K/4-E6-FE5-F2-7-DB3-4-B7-A-BD63-6-C6-CD194-A007.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CdDZTK1K)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ykykxr04/55-EF6564-42-CB-434-A-93-E4-59-F4-B32-B1-F3-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykykxr04)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nCJXHtjG/C44-B96-BF-176-B-4-D0-B-9-DC5-98-EE5-B49-C94-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nCJXHtjG)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on March 16, 2023, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on March 16, 2023, 05:08:23 PM

Pretty sure this is myrtoides, it got severely burnt by snow. The bottom is still fine but don't know how the top will fair.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CdDZTK1K/4-E6-FE5-F2-7-DB3-4-B7-A-BD63-6-C6-CD194-A007.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CdDZTK1K)

Orange flesh guajava again, burnt back hard by the snow and frost. I suspect I will lose about 1' on each branch.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ykykxr04/55-EF6564-42-CB-434-A-93-E4-59-F4-B32-B1-F3-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykykxr04)

Psidium sp, that FancyPlantsLA calls Skittles and Marcos calls Araza Banana? It legitimately tastes like skittles. I have two. This one has not produced but it grows way faster than my other that makes lots of fruit
(https://i.postimg.cc/nCJXHtjG/C44-B96-BF-176-B-4-D0-B-9-DC5-98-EE5-B49-C94-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nCJXHtjG)

I like guava in general and want to collect more. I also have a strawberry, lemon, long leaf, guienense, wrinkle leaf (named after a collector I can't recall Jose Jimenez?) and several others I can't recall.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: NateTheGreat on March 16, 2023, 06:03:59 PM
I have all 4 of Marcos' small ones (pera, banana, johvy, morango), still hoping the fruit are different, but the plants are so similar. His hybrid araza is different for sure. Also growing longipetiolatum, robustum, the orange-fleshed P. guavaja Bellamy was selling from HapaJoe, and a eugeniaefolia somewhere between the size of your two's. And just planted some of these https://www.bellamytrees.com/seeds/p/psidium-sp-laranja

Your Araza banana looks fantastic. Eugeniaefolia is the most cold-sensitive of mine, except maybe P. guavaja, don't know yet. I had two about 2 ft tall and 3 ft wide, but the frost hit them hard last winter (a year ago), and one hasn't really ever recovered. The other one's about back to its previous size. No flowers on any of these yet. Your eugeniaefolia is actually flowering at that size Ryan?? I must need to fertilize more or something.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: hammer524 on March 16, 2023, 06:08:00 PM
Doesn't Marcos call P. robustum banana guava? Thats what I have
(https://i.postimg.cc/3kvP8zsY/6-E926-D01-7-B94-4208-A0-AF-4583-D884-FA28.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3kvP8zsY)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: NateTheGreat on March 16, 2023, 06:03:59 PM
I have all 4 of Marcos' small ones (pera, banana, johvy, morango), still hoping the fruit are different, but the plants are so similar. His hybrid araza is different for sure. Also growing longipetiolatum, robustum, the orange-fleshed P. guavaja Bellamy was selling from HapaJoe, and a eugeniaefolia somewhere between the size of your two's. And just planted some of these https://www.bellamytrees.com/seeds/p/psidium-sp-laranja

Your Araza banana looks fantastic. Eugeniaefolia is the most cold-sensitive of mine, except maybe P. guavaja, don't know yet. I had two about 2 ft tall and 3 ft wide, but the frost hit them hard last winter (a year ago), and one hasn't really ever recovered. The other one's about back to its previous size. No flowers on any of these yet. Your eugeniaefolia is actually flowering at that size Ryan?? I must need to fertilize more or something.
I've spotted several flower buds. The person I got it from said his were fruiting in 5 gallon pots.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: NateTheGreat on March 16, 2023, 06:30:11 PM
Nah, this one's different. He also called it Araza banana-limon. "...It may be similar to the araza-johvy, but we cannot confirm that it's Psidium australe or another Psidium exactly. We think it could be Central American, but we cannot affirm it either; the new shoots of leaves are brownish, which can mean that it resists frosts between -3 to -6C."

Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: CenCalArt on March 16, 2023, 07:02:26 PM
Does anyone have or will have rooted cuttings for trade I’m looking for
Hong Kong
Lucknow 49
Gushiken
Beaumont
Detweiler
Bassateen el sabahia
Open to suggestions also

Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on March 16, 2023, 07:03:48 PM
I've been growing P. longipetiolatum here in Seattle to test winter hardiness.

Last year, one out of two seedlings regrew from the roots in spring with lots of freezing weather and a winter low of 16°F (-8.5°C). I replanted a clone of the one that was killed, to give it one more chance (no backup clone this winter).

This winter has had many more freezing nights, but a winter low of "only" 17°F (-8.3°C). They both look pretty dead, but they did last year, too, and didn't regrow until late spring.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: drymifolia on March 16, 2023, 07:03:48 PM
I've been growing P. longipetiolatum here in Seattle to test winter hardiness.

Last year, one out of two seedlings regrew from the roots in spring with lots of freezing weather and a winter low of 16°F (-8.5°C). I replanted a clone of the one that was killed, to give it one more chance (no backup clone this winter).

This winter has had many more freezing nights, but a winter low of "only" 17°F (-8.3°C). They both look pretty dead, but they did last year, too, and didn't regrow until late spring.
Mine literally got wrecked after 29f and a bit of snow. Not as hardy as I would have liked. I think you could get by in 8b.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on March 16, 2023, 08:52:47 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: drymifolia on March 16, 2023, 07:03:48 PM
I've been growing P. longipetiolatum here in Seattle to test winter hardiness.

Last year, one out of two seedlings regrew from the roots in spring with lots of freezing weather and a winter low of 16°F (-8.5°C). I replanted a clone of the one that was killed, to give it one more chance (no backup clone this winter).

This winter has had many more freezing nights, but a winter low of "only" 17°F (-8.3°C). They both look pretty dead, but they did last year, too, and didn't regrow until late spring.
Mine literally got wrecked after 29f and a bit of snow. Not as hardy as I would have liked. I think you could get by in 8b.

That seems strange to me. Mine withstood multiple nights of freezing temperatures around 25°F with very little damage until the 17°F night, and these were small seedlings. Maybe there's variation among different specimens? If either of mine regrow again I'll maybe clone them to keep in the greenhouse for a few years before going in the ground again.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: W. on March 16, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: drymifolia on March 16, 2023, 08:52:47 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: drymifolia on March 16, 2023, 07:03:48 PM
I've been growing P. longipetiolatum here in Seattle to test winter hardiness.

Last year, one out of two seedlings regrew from the roots in spring with lots of freezing weather and a winter low of 16°F (-8.5°C). I replanted a clone of the one that was killed, to give it one more chance (no backup clone this winter).

This winter has had many more freezing nights, but a winter low of "only" 17°F (-8.3°C). They both look pretty dead, but they did last year, too, and didn't regrow until late spring.
Mine literally got wrecked after 29f and a bit of snow. Not as hardy as I would have liked. I think you could get by in 8b.

That seems strange to me. Mine withstood multiple nights of freezing temperatures around 25°F with very little damage until the 17°F night, and these were small seedlings. Maybe there's variation among different specimens? If either of mine regrow again I'll maybe clone them to keep in the greenhouse for a few years before going in the ground again.

I think both weather variation and microclimates could have something to do with the different results seen in your plants. I would be interested to see where each of you planted your longipetiolatums, how long they were exposed to freezing temperatures per night, how much wind there was, and how much winter precipitation you had. All of these things can affect a plant just on the edge of making through a cold night. There are just so many variables.

I'm just glad I didn't plant out any of my longipetiolatums last summer. In December, my area experienced a severe cold snap, and the temperature did not rise above freezing for nearly 100 hours, with a low one night of 2°F. There is no microclimate in any yard that can prevent weather like that from affecting cold-sensitive plants.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 09:10:54 PM
The leaves of mine all fell off, but the tree recovered.
Anyways, it's probably climate and other factors too. Snow might have influenced something also.

Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: W. on March 16, 2023, 09:17:20 PM
I don't have as much of a Psidium collection as some other growers, just some of the standards: a couple of varieties of Psidium guajava, as well as cattleianum, friedrichsthalianum, guineense, longipetiolatum, and striatulum. Good plants. I particularly like striatulum because of its ornamental leaves and compact growth habit. I don't have to battle with it like I sometimes have to with guajava.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 09:30:23 PM
W,
Yep I agree that guajava is crazy. I mean when I think psidium guava always comes to mind. I have a pink one in my greenhouse in ground and it is a beast. I recently harvested some fruits last year, but since it was first fruits and my desire to fertilize was off, they weren't too sweet. This year, I'm hoping it will flower and give me a decent crop.

What interests me is the fern leaf guava. It's really pretty. I'll have to get a plant for myself.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on March 16, 2023, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: W. on March 16, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
I think both weather variation and microclimates could have something to do with the different results seen in your plants. I would be interested to see where each of you planted your longipetiolatums, how long they were exposed to freezing temperatures per night, how much wind there was, and how much winter precipitation you had. All of these things can affect a plant just on the edge of making through a cold night. There are just so many variables.
Very true. I think one benefit here in the PNW is we never have warm weather in winter, so to the extent any particular plant is protected by "dormancy," everything is usually fully dormant for our freezes.

Here's a temperature chart for my yard for last winter, the one that killed one longipetiolatum seedling and not the other, and both of them were in pretty good shape prior to the December freeze:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AMWts8Ce5S7jHNWckQVt9SY-A3Fyn3My_uJgLmh7kC9fcdn_yasa6DJrA5F3NYjVGG3dVX4FbK3dnjuic_9qzzdG550Oc-gHX3i4PzUwdjGIVVasVYi4iDIjezi2HEGxHz9HJSBjs2Z3wvohkkbdBKKCLU8-qw=w1000)

Here's the same period this winter, and once again they looked mostly ok until the late December freeze:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AMWts8CXz1n38hjF-P6oIn6pxl3kmw_8UEiAOVJalUZ1RbY16ciJK5DWWqSvMMYafe5-bYNWIJLjZFcjtTBSMr-8OU8VVF-eFHTPMJ_1w57oh7WynZRXU3ITaYfY3RV9i58m7IxQEoG7MnrKxXZKPU0RHLS67A=w1000)

This zooms in on the colder of the two freeze events they survived in November:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AMWts8CEGrJZpNURK_mkVOK4efuQgT0lFKCTnMDEQQ45ZJlo657oUQ5GajV02C1pBkGjzKOClt21ddyrgWhd07gzEgcgfxbQEUh1xMjP5i3cIF__S1okzethNJQpiWXkIuNaMf_uKb350c1exlBBgicA-QwcYQ=w1000)

In terms of precipitation, this is the Pacific NW... it's always soggy in winter, occasionally snowy or sleety. But never dry preceding a freeze like that, usually snowy.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on March 16, 2023, 10:09:12 PM
My kind of thread!
Here's some fruit of P.striatulum (yellow) and P. guajava (green). My fruiting P. striatulum is in a low area of a valley and is often found sitting in a puddle of water after these rains. The soil is incredibly wet and has been for months, Stoked to see this plant is able to withstand cold and super wet roots. Honestly been surprised by all my plantings in this super wet area.  Fruit is pretty sugarless for both varieties right now, sucks when they ripen up when conditions aren't favorable.  Some of the green ones are ripening off the plant but ultimately the plant is dropping all the fruit because conditions are not favorable.
(https://i.postimg.cc/w3Vxpf47/20230225-121416.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3Vxpf47)
Conjoined P. striatulum
(https://i.postimg.cc/hfvX3R4S/20221119-133856.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hfvX3R4S)
P. striatulum (yellow) and P. longipetiolatum
(https://i.postimg.cc/NLJMXC6Z/20221115-163220.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLJMXC6Z)
P. longipetiolatum
(https://i.postimg.cc/8jf16pPr/20221115-101648.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jf16pPr)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: shmojojojo on March 16, 2023, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: NateTheGreat on March 16, 2023, 06:03:59 PM
I have all 4 of Marcos' small ones (pera, banana, johvy, morango), still hoping the fruit are different, but the plants are so similar. His hybrid araza is different for sure. Also growing longipetiolatum, robustum, the orange-fleshed P. guavaja Bellamy was selling from HapaJoe, and a eugeniaefolia somewhere between the size of your two's. And just planted some of these https://www.bellamytrees.com/seeds/p/psidium-sp-laranja

Your Araza banana looks fantastic. Eugeniaefolia is the most cold-sensitive of mine, except maybe P. guavaja, don't know yet. I had two about 2 ft tall and 3 ft wide, but the frost hit them hard last winter (a year ago), and one hasn't really ever recovered. The other one's about back to its previous size. No flowers on any of these yet. Your eugeniaefolia is actually flowering at that size Ryan?? I must need to fertilize more or something.
I've spotted several flower buds. The person I got it from said his were fruiting in 5 gallon pots.

Nice tree Ryan! You'll have fruits this summer.

Nate, both my eugeniaefolia fruited in under 3 years. Seeds were planted in Jan 2020 with first fruits ripening in Aug 2022. Outside, no protection, but we rarely drop below 40F.
Same batch of seeds (Tradewinds) as Ryan's tree and about the same size. They're ripe when the flesh is crimson red.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7Gvhjyfx/IMG-1950.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7Gvhjyfx)
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/TK4pqbx5/IMG-1850.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TK4pqbx5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yJ3WfN6Q/IMG-1912.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yJ3WfN6Q)


p. sartorianum is my favorite of the non tropical guavas I've tried so far. Beautiful tree and delicious fruits that turn yellow then almost white as they ripen.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6TP5yvr8/IMG-1903.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TP5yvr8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0bJ5mync/IMG-2040.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0bJ5mync)


My p.longs in 1gals are also a little beat up from the cold, but they'll be okay. Robustum also struggling a bit, but not as bad.
I also have a couple of those fern leaf guavas folhas de Samambaia in the greenhouse slowly growing in the cold.

Did anybody buy Psidium glaziovianum seeds from Bellamys? I wanted to grab some, but they sold out. Willing to buy or trade for seeds/seedlings if anyone has any.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on March 17, 2023, 12:22:37 AM
I forgot to mention my guajava seedlings, which also haven't fruited yet at ~3 years from seed. They can hardly even survive the winter in my greenhouse without a lot of dieback, but if I leave them there for the first half of winter until their leaves turn purple, they are very attractive houseplants for the second half of winter:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AMWts8DYR540X5g7iF23yTjObxHc1HW7z856qLAWjid_Fb22BgEkVwNTIIPw1iNz33qsSp-gjGzyMZKdfmTRM9g2QIfeKqeZa43MavsPwjpJpF5omiWecv-MM4CUMuwNP8IrzbgDp9y2uZmBDMwmeQpULdFeiQ=w1082-h1336-no)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Epicatt2 on March 17, 2023, 05:13:10 AM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Hello everyone,
welcome to the PGA also known as the Psidium Growers Association. . . .

H'Lo Jabo,

Is there really a PGA as you state or is it just a cutesy epithet for this discussion topic?

I tried googling that name but nothing came up.

Just curious to know . . .

Paul M.
==
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on March 17, 2023, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: shmojojojo on March 16, 2023, 11:37:22 PM
p. sartorianum is my favorite of the non tropical guavas I've tried so far. Beautiful tree and delicious fruits that turn yellow then almost white as they ripen.

I haven't heard anything about that one before. When you say "non-tropical" what kind of temperatures can it handle? I assume not 8b lows, maybe it would be happy in my greenhouse though?

And does this taste test sound accurate to you? "If laffy taffy made a pear-banana-guava flavor" is how it's described in this:

https://youtu.be/7JHeeVFS79g
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 17, 2023, 12:45:56 PM
Quote from: Epicatt2 on March 17, 2023, 05:13:10 AM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on March 16, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Hello everyone,
welcome to the PGA also known as the Psidium Growers Association. . . .

H'Lo Jabo,

Is there really a PGA as you state or is it just a cutesy epithet for this discussion topic?

I tried googling that name but nothing came up.

Just curious to know . . .

Paul M.
==
It was just formed yesterday ;)
What psidiums you grow, Epicatt?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on March 17, 2023, 02:25:31 PM
Really interested in hearing about the commitment in different zones to make psidiums thrive. In SoCal they are very easy to grow near the coast and inland a bit.  I keep.all my Psidiums outdoor. The regular psidium guavas I have had no issue at all basically all winter long.  The Cas guava though defoliated quite a bit with all this cold rainy winter for us but mine is young and only maybe 1.5 feet tall.  Doesn't seem to matter anyways as its already pushing new growth near the bottom and branches as well.  Cattley guava sprout that I have didn't even figure out it's winter yet.  My other guava sprouts don't really mind coming up in the middle of winter either.

My real interest is in seeing if there are any Psidiums that can pose a bigger challenge for me here (maybe one of those species coming from Cerrado region).
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Epicatt2 on March 17, 2023, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on March 17, 2023, 12:45:56 PM
It was just formed yesterday ;)
What psidiums you grow, Epicatt?

Is the PGA going to have it's own website, Jabo?

Psidiums that I have (known/grown) are:
Haven't got any of them to fruit yet as the P. cattleyanums as still small things.  The P. goiaba  I'm thinking kicked the bucket because I can't locate it.

The x'Ruby Supreme' is in the ground and reached 8 or 9 ft tall and was cut back last month to 4 ft in hopes of encouraging it to bloom and set some fruit.

OK — HTH

Paul M.
==
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on March 17, 2023, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: SDPirate on March 17, 2023, 02:25:31 PM

My real interest is in seeing if there are any Psidiums that can pose a bigger challenge for me here (maybe one of those species coming from Cerrado region).

Bellamy has a ton of psidium species in stock right now and I made a cart of them. Haven't pulled trigger yet but am tempted.

I've found that indeed, 9b has its limitations even for psidium and I've experienced some loss this year. Cas Guava is NOT frost tolerant is this year's lesson. Perhaps it will sprout from the roots again but I kind of doubt it. Know to cover it next year.

Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on March 17, 2023, 03:21:02 PM
I have a cas Guava that actually didn't even defoliste this winter. Looks great and is pushing new growth. Pleasantly surprised
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 17, 2023, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: Epicatt2 on March 17, 2023, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on March 17, 2023, 12:45:56 PM
It was just formed yesterday ;)
What psidiums you grow, Epicatt?

Is the PGA going to have it's own website, Jabo?

Psidiums that I have (known/grown) are:
  • Psidium x 'Ruby Supreme'
  • Psidium goiaba 'Colombian Red'
  • Psidium cattleyanuma 'Strawberry'
  • Psidium cattleyanum var litttorale 'Lemon Guava'
Haven't got any of them to fruit yet as the P. cattleyanums as still small things.  The P. goiaba  I'm thinking kicked the bucket because I can't locate it.

The x'Ruby Supreme' is in the ground and reached 8 or 9 ft tall and was cut back last month to 4 ft in hopes of encouraging it to bloom and set some fruit.

OK — HTH

Paul M.
==
For now, no. I can’t do that yet. Don’t see a reason to. Appreciate you asking though.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 17, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on March 17, 2023, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: SDPirate on March 17, 2023, 02:25:31 PM

My real interest is in seeing if there are any Psidiums that can pose a bigger challenge for me here (maybe one of those species coming from Cerrado region).

Bellamy has a ton of psidium species in stock right now and I made a cart of them. Haven't pulled trigger yet but am tempted.

I've found that indeed, 9b has its limitations even for psidium and I've experienced some loss this year. Cas Guava is NOT frost tolerant is this year's lesson. Perhaps it will sprout from the roots again but I kind of doubt it. Know to cover it next year.
I’d love to see someone trial and  buy all those new ones and report on how they do!
The creepy little monster couldn’t take more than 3 years to fruit?!


Also anyone have pulcherrimum? I remember importing some and I know Bellamy did too at one point. I’d love to get some lol.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on March 17, 2023, 03:34:26 PM
I have pulcherrimum. Lots of em didn't survive the frost. Definitely a very slow and sensitive species.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on March 17, 2023, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on March 17, 2023, 02:30:36 PM
Bellamy has a ton of psidium species in stock right now and I made a cart of them. Haven't pulled trigger yet but am tempted.

Are you me?  ;D

Yea that Cas guava never really went dormant it would put out new growth continually through winter only to be taken away with the next spell of cold, rain, and wind.  Now that we are just under 50F at night consistently the new growth is holding on. 

My favorite thing with Psidiums is their resilience in our conditions, plus they are rewarding in that they grow quite rapidly in the warm seasons.  Bonus that they are generally low maintenance.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on March 17, 2023, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: SDPirate on March 17, 2023, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on March 17, 2023, 02:30:36 PM
Bellamy has a ton of psidium species in stock right now and I made a cart of them. Haven't pulled trigger yet but am tempted.

My favorite thing with Psidiums is their resilience in our conditions, plus they are rewarding in that they grow quite rapidly in the warm seasons.  Bonus that they are generally low maintenance.

That's what keeps me interested as well. I really love these crazy new species but I have to be honest with where I live and it is not 10a+ - a guava limps along through winter and outgrows the frost burn. That's what also keeps me looped in with the campomanesias.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jack, Nipomo on March 17, 2023, 06:05:37 PM
Sartre guava, the Arrayan fruit is botanically known as part of Psidium sartorianum and I have had it growing for around 12 years here in Nipomo.  Small tree, fruits abundantly, never bothered by frost.  From Guadalajara Mexico, it is used for "waters" or to flavor drinks. 
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: shmojojojo on March 18, 2023, 04:15:17 AM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on March 17, 2023, 03:29:39 PM

Also anyone have pulcherrimum? I remember importing some and I know Bellamy did too at one point. I’d love to get some lol.

I ended up with a bunch of pulcherrimum seeds from that order but only a few germinated. I might have a couple seedlings. I have to check.

Quote from: drymifolia on March 17, 2023, 11:21:44 AM

I haven't heard anything about that one before. When you say "non-tropical" what kind of temperatures can it handle? I assume not 8b lows, maybe it would be happy in my greenhouse though?

And does this taste test sound accurate to you? "If laffy taffy made a pear-banana-guava flavor" is how it's described in this:

https://youtu.be/7JHeeVFS79g


Non tropical is probably not the best way to describe them. It's a term I've heard used for the guavas with smaller fruit
and leaves and handle frost better than Psidium guajava. I guess sub tropical. I don't know about 8b. Maybe Jack knows.
That's a fair description of a ripe fruit. I like to pick them a little early so they're more crisp and tart.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on March 18, 2023, 04:06:03 PM
Is anybody else growing this?
I bought it in around 2017 as Psidium sp. "Green" from the cerrado of Brazil.  I bought it from a collector and am not entirely sure on the species. Maybe Psidium rufum or Psidium rufum var. widgrenianum based off of a post I saw somewhere on facebook, but ultimately don't know.
Getting first fruits this year. The tree is very drought and heat tolerant. I barely water it in the summer.
(https://i.postimg.cc/N2KsTBZD/20230317-175202.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2KsTBZD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/06ZPBzsZ/20230317-175206.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/06ZPBzsZ)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 18, 2023, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: nattyfroootz on March 18, 2023, 04:06:03 PM
Is anybody else growing this?
I bought it in around 2017 as Psidium sp. "Green" from the cerrado of Brazil.  I bought it from a collector and am not entirely sure on the species. Maybe Psidium rufum or Psidium rufum var. widgrenianum based off of a post I saw somewhere on facebook, but ultimately don't know.
Getting first fruits this year. The tree is very drought and heat tolerant. I barely water it in the summer.
(https://i.postimg.cc/N2KsTBZD/20230317-175202.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2KsTBZD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/06ZPBzsZ/20230317-175206.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/06ZPBzsZ)
If you have any spare fruits or seeds, I’d love to try some. Look forward to hearing taste report
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on April 17, 2023, 07:15:34 PM
I took the plunge on some of those uncommon Psidium species from Bellamy.  I got to set a reminder 3 years from now to dig up this thread to see where these are at. 

How's everyone doing with their Psidiums? My Malaysian red guava ready to take off the rest of this year.  Does anyone have one and know when they start bearing?  The one I have is about 3 feet tall or more so I may have a ways to go still.  Here is a pic from couple months ago:

(https://i.postimg.cc/qtWBxdWH/20230204-070055.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtWBxdWH)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on April 17, 2023, 08:12:19 PM
Got you on seeds Jaboticaba45.

Found a surprise fruit on my other Psidium sp. 'Green' that's at my farm and is in more optimal conditions. It's super full, bushy and honestly great looking. Fruit pic attached. This fruit is more appealing looking than the one in my sidewalk strip.
(https://i.postimg.cc/238btfqJ/20230411-124441.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/238btfqJ)

Also got a fruit on this Psidium from Marcos. Maybe P. guinense x grandifolium. Flavor tones of banana. Really a good fruit. Left half of it on my tailgate when leaving my farm. Hope its on the ground waiting for my return so I can propagate some seeds. Regardless, I've got about 5 or so planted so should have many fruits soon.  This plant got goph'd about 2 years ago and finally is inching towards recovery after transplant.


(https://i.postimg.cc/Ff41Vt5T/20230412-132153.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ff41Vt5T)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yWbdr3Cg/20230412-132244.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWbdr3Cg)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on April 17, 2023, 08:35:49 PM
Quote from: nattyfroootz on April 17, 2023, 08:12:19 PM
Got you on seeds Jaboticaba45.

Found a surprise fruit on my other Psidium sp. 'Green' that's at my farm and is in more optimal conditions. It's super full, bushy and honestly great looking. Fruit pic attached. This fruit is more appealing looking than the one in my sidewalk strip.
(https://i.postimg.cc/238btfqJ/20230411-124441.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/238btfqJ)

Also got a fruit on this Psidium from Marcos. Maybe P. guinense x grandifolium. Flavor tones of banana. Really a good fruit. Left half of it on my tailgate when leaving my farm. Hope its on the ground waiting for my return so I can propagate some seeds. Regardless, I've got about 5 or so planted so should have many fruits soon.  This plant got goph'd about 2 years ago and finally is inching towards recovery after transplant.


(https://i.postimg.cc/Ff41Vt5T/20230412-132153.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ff41Vt5T)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yWbdr3Cg/20230412-132244.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWbdr3Cg)
Thanks Nate!

I was going to bump this thread, but it seems like others beat me to it!
Check out the first flower opening on my eugeniafolia

(https://i.postimg.cc/r0t1Cv2V/IMG-6172.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0t1Cv2V)
(oops wrong picture, those buds haven't opened yet lol. I think there is at least 20 buds on the tree in total. Maybe it'll set fruit.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: elouicious on April 18, 2023, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: K-Rimes on March 17, 2023, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: SDPirate on March 17, 2023, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on March 17, 2023, 02:30:36 PM
Bellamy has a ton of psidium species in stock right now and I made a cart of them. Haven't pulled trigger yet but am tempted.

My favorite thing with Psidiums is their resilience in our conditions, plus they are rewarding in that they grow quite rapidly in the warm seasons.  Bonus that they are generally low maintenance.

That's what keeps me interested as well. I really love these crazy new species but I have to be honest with where I live and it is not 10a+ - a guava limps along through winter and outgrows the frost burn. That's what also keeps me looped in with the campomanesias.

I'm gonna have some good pics for you soon K-rimes,

I think lineatifolia and schechtendeliana survived the 18f in Houston this year-

Whacked back to the ground but coming back
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 18, 2023, 12:16:53 PM
Quote
I think lineatifolia and schechtendeliana survived the 18f in Houston this year-

All my outdoor guavas got absolutely shmoked but are also coming back, even Cas guava appears to have a green trunk so I think it will be ok.

I have an unidentified guava that is massive, planted it as a 20g into the soil and it lost its crown of leaves and young shoots but looks to be coming back in full force... Now if it could actually be warm for more than 1-2 days in a row, that would be great!

No sprouts out of the new bellamy psidiums I think I screwed up trying coco as a soil medium and should have sowed in just regular ol soil.It's hard to keep up with how fast it dries out.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on April 18, 2023, 02:05:59 PM
I have a few Campomanesias but those are new to me and still babies.  Schechtendeliana barely has 1st set of leaves and have 1 more emerging from the soil.  My Reitziana is a bit further along but have little info on it.  It has some really neat leaves IMO.  Check it out from my pic last month:

(https://i.postimg.cc/cvZwkFyB/20230322-183144.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvZwkFyB)

Personally I like the idea of Psidiums better because I can have them get blasted with full sun and not be too bothered by our cold.  But if Campomanesias have a worthy taste then I would consider exploring adding more to the collection.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 18, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: SDPirate on April 18, 2023, 02:05:59 PM
I have a few Campomanesias but those are new to me and still babies.  Schechtendeliana barely has 1st set of leaves and have 1 more emerging from the soil.  My Reitziana is a bit further along but have little info on it.  It has some really neat leaves IMO.  Check it out from my pic last month:

(https://i.postimg.cc/cvZwkFyB/20230322-183144.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvZwkFyB)

Personally I like the idea of Psidiums better because I can have them get blasted with full sun and not be too bothered by our cold.  But if Campomanesias have a worthy taste then I would consider exploring adding more to the collection.

Campomanesias are even more cold hardy for me than guava. I am still waiting to get a good quality fruit to taste off guazumifolia (it recently was snapped at the base of the trunk by a falling dragonfruit) but I did have one fruit last year. Xanthocarpa is blasting off. Macrobracteolata is also looking great right now but too small for fruit.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on April 18, 2023, 05:50:20 PM
K-Rimes how do your Campomanesias hold up in full sun? I stuck my little Reitziana in a small pot and got it outdoors in dappled shade inland about 7 miles from coast in 10A zone.

It was under a grow light this whole time so I just don't want to risk roasting it, it will be mid 80s there this weekend.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 18, 2023, 10:12:38 PM
I blast them, but have always done so. They take it like a champ. I even have a very small macro that I put full sun recently and didn’t skip a beat.

Going from grow tent to outdoors is very challenging. I wouldn’t even chance dappled. Go full shade, then 20 min, 1hr, 2hr and so on.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on April 18, 2023, 11:30:26 PM
It's extremely dappled, basically right up on the trunk under a peach tree canopy so it just gets a kiss of light.  I'll monitor it closely but since I basically do the same process to garcinias and jabos with no issue I think it will be okay.

I should go about it more properly but I literally have a bunch community pots with tons of guava seedlings that go straight from indoor and barely acclimate them and let them fight it out under the sun gladiator style.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on April 19, 2023, 12:03:38 AM
Who is gonna start the campomanesia growers association? Kevin? Haha
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 19, 2023, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: SDPirate on April 18, 2023, 11:30:26 PM
It's extremely dappled, basically right up on the trunk under a peach tree canopy so it just gets a kiss of light.  I'll monitor it closely but since I basically do the same process to garcinias and jabos with no issue I think it will be okay.

I should go about it more properly but I literally have a bunch community pots with tons of guava seedlings that go straight from indoor and barely acclimate them and let them fight it out under the sun gladiator style.

I was reading quickly and didn't see you had it in deeply dappled, but should be ok. For real, mine are just full blast sun from a young age. Don't stress to much. I do have a massive hirsuta from Wildlands that I am babying in the greenhouse but it never sets fruit... Legitimately got into beekeeping just for this one fruit. :|
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on April 19, 2023, 09:28:51 PM
First fruit off my Psidium sp. 'Green Cerrado'!!!


(https://i.postimg.cc/HVXyL5y2/20230419-103718.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HVXyL5y2)

It came off without any force, but was pretty green on the inside. Completely insipid and unpalatable, lol!! Pretty resinous and astringent. Not many other flavor notes to include unfortunately. Hopefully will get some fruit that is potentially riper on the next plant?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on April 20, 2023, 01:10:46 PM
My P. longipetiolatum seedlings are both still scratching green (or at least greenish) low on their trunks (dead above), but no signs of buds yet. It's been a cold winter and cold spring, hopefully it warms up enough for them to wake before they die!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AJFCJaV3DdnCEn2vGCfEpOQd5JmtrtzlLn7LnFkim_B2Pr5oFjI86afjD5FrqqRbJh8-KbM5028Re6edC1Tv6ZP3NaZ0zFws8op0uzvZN_HxxVHU3CNJ5r_mc3D7NMdeIVD7IF6vtmrJc3Pz70iq6WZ8jxUTnw=w800)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AJFCJaWUrfgudFulsaCphIsq7vxuB63qt7C6HuIC-j3Yv031SKZ7ELTcH2YWKGxVdFQMDEubTn_DAxAKbAVI_eWgsl2dX_gY1FRCJxCUHGCm6P-PHLLLNC61As-qCmvrwDOVXQPCOgg-vqORYhDW-a2RG5pPxw=w800)

As an update to my earlier post with temperature charts, here's the outside temperature in my yard since these trees were killed back by a late December freeze of -8.3°C (17°F):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AJFCJaWv3fayMCxF-yL0beG1f-xhJIlZgHBOt3Eg2naytkYHfj8CNBD8CRy1_r-4rVc_1st36CtBFgh_v5Vwr1pgqIkUcs0m7Cd5wW8fshlLUyN-JVWqPuhvzLytlBoEej9OzVzt7sipj4KzDmJwkvPqhI639Q=w1000)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 20, 2023, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: nattyfroootz on April 19, 2023, 09:28:51 PM
First fruit off my Psidium sp. 'Green Cerrado'!!!


Dang Nate! Hopefully it improves. Any guavas I get during cold winter months are terrible compared to summer, so I am hopeful for you.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on April 20, 2023, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: drymifolia on April 20, 2023, 01:10:46 PM
My P. longipetiolatum seedlings are both still scratching green (or at least greenish) low on their trunks (dead above), but no signs of buds yet. It's been a cold winter and cold spring, hopefully it warms up enough for them to wake before they die!

thanks for the update!
I'm planning out a greenhouse for the subtropicals like yangmei and guavas. Longipetiolatum will be one of them.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem like it will withstand temperatures here either in ground.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on April 20, 2023, 04:45:28 PM
Hopefully that Green Cerrado improves in flavor of time, it is a nice looking plant. 

I snapped a quick pic of my Cas guava and it is coming back to life full time and then some.  Branches are spitting out at the bottom where there only used to be leaves prior to defoliating in winter.


(https://i.postimg.cc/dDBnD9VY/20230420-124609.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dDBnD9VY)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on April 22, 2023, 08:17:26 PM
Psidium friedrichsthalianum
(https://i.postimg.cc/dhGXFgJV/20230422-135606.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhGXFgJV)


Psidium striatulum
(https://i.postimg.cc/xkR4JHJr/20230422-135614.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkR4JHJr)


Bunch of standard psidium guajava, Mexican cream, barbie pink, Hong Kong pink, gushikin orange, ruby x supreme, Philippine Swirl, Ka Hua Kula, and a few Thai white types
(https://i.postimg.cc/6T7MwF0x/20230422-135640.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6T7MwF0x)


guajava White pear
(https://i.postimg.cc/mzppVsy8/20230422-135703.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mzppVsy8)


guajava Indonesian white
(https://i.postimg.cc/jwSkz5PD/20230422-140516.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jwSkz5PD)


Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: a_Vivaldi on April 23, 2023, 02:11:43 PM
Some really nice collections, makes me jelly.

Curious, from those who have experience with them, how the hardiness compares between p. longipetiolatum, p. robustum, and p. cattleianum var. littorale? I've seen varying accounts.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on April 23, 2023, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: a_Vivaldi on April 23, 2023, 02:11:43 PM
Some really nice collections, makes me jelly.

Curious, from those who have experience with them, how the hardiness compares between p. longipetiolatum, p. robustum, and p. cattleianum var. littorale? I've seen varying accounts.

i cant comment on comparison between cattleianum and others but at least here in out state the cattleianum is insanely quick growing and hardy...so much so its actually a problem here, they grow so fast, are so hardy and produce so much fruits/seeds that entire swaths of forests are being taken over by it. since it grows faster then we can get rid of it.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on April 24, 2023, 02:00:36 PM
That's a great collection you got there rdm, love to see it!

Anybody else grab those uncommon Psidium varieties from Bellamy recently? I have everything I ordered cooking up:
-P. Sorocabense
-P. Nutans
-P. Sp Creepy Little Monster
-P. Pohlianum
-P. Goiaba folhas de Samambaia fern leaf guava

So far nothing popped out of the soil but I did move around the soil for Sorocabense and noticed one is germinating already only about a week in.  I did nothing special, just damp seed starting mix and sitting on my heatmat.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 24, 2023, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: SDPirate on April 24, 2023, 02:00:36 PM
That's a great collection you got there rdm, love to see it!

Anybody else grab those uncommon Psidium varieties from Bellamy recently? I have everything I ordered cooking up:
-P. Sorocabense
-P. Nutans
-P. Sp Creepy Little Monster
-P. Pohlianum
-P. Goiaba folhas de Samambaia fern leaf guava

I ended up grabbing:

Red Heron
Pohlianum
Nutans
Fern Leaf
Sartorianum
Basanthum
Grandifolium

The issue I fight is all the mice, rats and squirrels that love to munch my seeds and the trunk of little seedlings, it drives me absolutely insane. Lost a sprouted multicostata yesterday to those bastards.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 28, 2023, 07:06:08 PM
Unknown guava from Wildlands Nursery
(https://i.postimg.cc/JscQB6Fk/05-AA7463-0-D53-4464-9-E5-B-44-EBD2-A50719.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JscQB6Fk)

Guineese
(https://i.postimg.cc/GHDKbhJz/0-DBB5-DCB-031-D-4-DFB-90-A0-343-F350-E5352.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHDKbhJz)


"Skittles" - kicked ass during winter and snow, didn't drop any leaves at all
(https://i.postimg.cc/06k0GGgH/2306-DBB4-3923-4799-9-ABC-D693-B990-CA0-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/06k0GGgH)

Cas Guava survived! Coming back from down below
(https://i.postimg.cc/bDFgwZBV/48-D96-CE8-6-FCE-421-E-8-AA7-9-FB0725-AE07-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bDFgwZBV)


Orange Guajava lost a LOT of growth to frost, at least a 1 foot on each branch but it's coming back from exactly where I clipped it back to. Should be fruitful as it flowers on new growth.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BLvN3TM1/5-C42-F1-D8-B57-F-452-D-A010-131-C5-F37-C0-DF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLvN3TM1)


"Skittles" grafted to guajava appears to be a go
(https://i.postimg.cc/JsWq0Vp8/68-CEAA99-6-D32-4433-9638-2-C11-E42-DA9-F6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsWq0Vp8)


Ok not really psidium, but these NZ cultivar grafts on my pineapple guava are coming out! I thought they all failed due to rain.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MXvtrYnC/C6450-BF2-7698-4474-B66-F-D67-E7-EBE7922.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MXvtrYnC)


Long Leaf guava got burnt pretty bad. I'm leaving it alone and will clip the dead stuff beyond where it sprouts from
(https://i.postimg.cc/dDpnMTdL/E624777-A-5-E83-44-CD-B88-E-2-A6-BB0-A22-D3-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dDpnMTdL)


Fern leaf from Wildlands looking real nice. I bought some more seeds of it, I really like the look.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gnLSrKdV/E9251960-7-F64-4-EBE-913-E-87141613-D6-BA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnLSrKdV)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Pneuma on April 29, 2023, 07:46:44 PM
Great thread
Love seeing what everyone is growing some beautiful plants.
I planted all these last year next month after babying them to decent size before planting outside. I did cover with arg50 cloth till April should have left on till this week haha
Strawberry
(https://i.postimg.cc/CdHCcW85/IMG-6120.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CdHCcW85)
Pink got from older plant lady friend
(https://i.postimg.cc/nMH9hMsV/IMG-6121.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nMH9hMsV)
White
(https://i.postimg.cc/fJds4fwV/IMG-6122.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJds4fwV)
Lemon
(https://i.postimg.cc/N2r3cQv3/IMG-6123.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2r3cQv3)
Pineapple
(https://i.postimg.cc/qNG90mWv/IMG-6124.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qNG90mWv)
Tropical Pink doesn’t look like she making it but I’m still watering maybe she shoots something out
(https://i.postimg.cc/H82QjymX/IMG-6125.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/H82QjymX)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: dxgn on April 30, 2023, 01:15:56 AM
Anyone has got orange fleshed guava variety here?

Regards
Jet
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 30, 2023, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: dxgn on April 30, 2023, 01:15:56 AM
Anyone has got orange fleshed guava variety here?

Regards
Jet

Yes, I have an orange flesh guajava.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on April 30, 2023, 03:31:15 PM
Quote from: dxgn on April 30, 2023, 01:15:56 AM
Anyone has got orange fleshed guava variety here?

Regards
Jet

yes, but hasn't fruited yet.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on May 07, 2023, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: drymifolia on April 20, 2023, 01:10:46 PM
My P. longipetiolatum seedlings are both still scratching green (or at least greenish) low on their trunks (dead above), but no signs of buds yet. It's been a cold winter and cold spring, hopefully it warms up enough for them to wake before they die!

We have life!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AJFCJaV5Hp1QN2jwDQbO3MlHgJmDOqTsZwXS_rJEqGlcX1Ysn3KNoepWpCIFiceZQ4KeXjJKeImCsKNpy7o7BbChFTR2jpsJROvqtFmPmx9zSASr-stEtAyn-UsNIGye0DtPbhx0t-3848WPjDP2d5XT1mRPVg=w700)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on May 11, 2023, 05:53:00 PM
P. Sorocabense is winning the Bellamy sponsored Psidium race:

(https://i.postimg.cc/tsysDNqr/20230511-122448.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsysDNqr)

P. Itacare sprouting already too, but they were already germinating when received.

And I think P. Nutans is starting to poke out next.  Will be interesting to see how these do out here and how well they will taste.  I'm thinking this year will be guava-less for me unless my Malaysian starts flowering randomly but I don't think I am quite there yet, maybe next year.


(https://i.postimg.cc/GHnthxyc/20230511-125512.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHnthxyc)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on May 15, 2023, 10:39:55 PM
Fruit set on eugeniafolia. Will update when ripe still got many flowers. Also my large pink guava is going off too.
(https://i.postimg.cc/JDgF1gVf/4-E3550-D7-8-F55-4-DF0-8456-81-D852063-FCF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDgF1gVf)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Nick C on May 15, 2023, 10:54:42 PM
Growing a few varieties

red malaysian

(https://i.postimg.cc/FkxHRwsf/IMG-7037.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FkxHRwsf)

strawberry

(https://i.postimg.cc/VrQfFzJr/IMG-7038.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VrQfFzJr)

ruby supreme


(https://i.postimg.cc/141cYd2D/IMG-7039.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/141cYd2D)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on June 07, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
I was thinking today after contemplating whether to dig up my pink guava or not...can I graft longipetiolatum and eugeniafolia onto regular guava?
Has anyone tried this?

My eugeniafolia has fruits, hopefully will update this thread when they are ripe!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on June 07, 2023, 12:58:07 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on June 07, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
I was thinking today after contemplating whether to dig up my pink guava or not...can I graft longipetiolatum and eugeniafolia onto regular guava?
Has anyone tried this?

I tried grafting P. guajava on longipetiolatum once, and it failed, but the stem size didn't match well so it wasn't a very good test. If you do try, definitely let us know how it goes!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Flgarden on June 07, 2023, 01:19:17 PM
My 3 yo red Malaysian is holding fruit!


(https://i.postimg.cc/GTDZxfpv/PSX-20230523-110337.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GTDZxfpv)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on June 07, 2023, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on June 07, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
I was thinking today after contemplating whether to dig up my pink guava or not...can I graft longipetiolatum and eugeniafolia onto regular guava?
Has anyone tried this?

My eugeniafolia has fruits, hopefully will update this thread when they are ripe!

I'd give it a shot. I put psidium guineense on guajava and it's taking off fine. Tried also to put striatulum on, but that didn't work. The whole branch on the guajava died back so I don't think it was a compatibility issue, probably just winter blues.

Got try sartre on the weekend and quite liked it, really bright zippy flavor with some underlying kinda coconut? I'll be planting this one out for sure.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BtLKSvyF/Screen-Shot-2023-06-07-at-10-45-56-AM.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BtLKSvyF)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: kalan on June 07, 2023, 02:43:38 PM
Psidium Salutare about 4 years old holding fruit for the first time and blooming again! Will be first time tasting fruits if I can figure out when to pick them.

(https://i.postimg.cc/QFMqLyLD/IMG-8240.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QFMqLyLD)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on June 08, 2023, 02:45:53 PM
Thought I'd update on my P. longipetiolatum trees planted outside here in Seattle. Just to recap, I planted out two seedlings in summer 2021. I rooted a cutting from one of those in my greenhouse that summer to keep as a backup in case the outdoor ones died.

With a winter low of 16°F (-8.9°C) that next winter, both seedlings were unprotected and died above ground. One of them sprouted in spring 2022, the other one did not. Coincidentally, the dead one was the one I already had a clone of, so I planted the clone outside last summer.

This most recent winter had a low of 17°F (-8.3°C), killing both trees to ground level again. Interestingly, the clone of the seedling that was killed last winter is the one that is already regrowing this year:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AJFCJaWb3gW-SYZ6Q9p_aEspqkk0bTZcU0zk06t5zWrUx_HFepAL5H7WKbK4rOwezstd5eqQ6H5aOywx1-2cARP6STilc-jqAP44QNfSbW628SdHzRRMb32dl1s5iK5D4iffCvAXAuTGchR6_iv4DZc3fRm3mg=w800)

On the other hand, the seedling that survived last winter is still not showing any growth this year, though it does still scratch green just above ground level:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AJFCJaW1j8_-Z_956POBpqaYpxSA28NzYXJNbTS8gNu5W6AUU0VIw1Xh49ogLMksWRALnB9kC72YVLjtn88_jrs_GkRL7gp46d_wEpphZSpozVAshDGImiNnYKE0U4apahjUu-a5WCvdW1Oc_DC7Q5GGiFaJXg=w800)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on June 08, 2023, 02:54:07 PM
Pioneering tests drymifolia! I saw someone overwintered a campo ramon jaboticaba  in Seattle as well, was that you as well?

Even my CAS guava which I suspected would be the least cold hardy is coming back pretty nicely. My winter temps are not that far off Seattle, but clearly those few more degrees (and duration thereof) are a differentiator.

Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on June 08, 2023, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on June 08, 2023, 02:54:07 PM
Pioneering tests drymifolia! I saw someone overwintered a campo ramon jaboticaba  in Seattle as well, was that you as well?

Nope, not me. I had a couple seedlings of M. vexator that died even in my greenhouse, so now my sole remaining vexator comes into the house over the winter instead of the greenhouse. That's the only jabo I'm trying, though.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Kevinthegarden on June 16, 2023, 06:06:41 PM
Anyone here growing psidium robustum?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on June 16, 2023, 07:42:14 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/SnqNC6M5/E59-CA7-E1-D5-AC-4979-A524-BC565-BBA7-AE7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SnqNC6M5)

Strawberry guava season looking promising.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: kalan on June 17, 2023, 10:28:53 PM
Quote from: Kevinthegarden on June 16, 2023, 06:06:41 PM
Anyone here growing psidium robustum?

I have one 5 year old tree grown from seed, flowered for the first time about a month ago here in zone 10b. Looks like a couple fruit are developing.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Kevinthegarden on June 18, 2023, 04:16:49 PM
Quote from: kalan on June 17, 2023, 10:28:53 PM
Quote from: Kevinthegarden on June 16, 2023, 06:06:41 PM
Anyone here growing psidium robustum?

I have one 5 year old tree grown from seed, flowered for the first time about a month ago here in zone 10b. Looks like a couple fruit are developing.

Awesome, I have one grown from seed as well I just upotted to a 10g. No flowers yet. How big is yours currnetly?mKeep me updated on how the fruits turn out!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nullzero on June 18, 2023, 04:57:18 PM
I have a producing Psidium robustum, second year fruiting. This year looks to produce much more fruit, maybe like 60 to 100 fruits.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Kevinthegarden on June 20, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
Quote from: nullzero on June 18, 2023, 04:57:18 PM
I have a producing Psidium robustum, second year fruiting. This year looks to produce much more fruit, maybe like 60 to 100 fruits.

hows the fruit tasting? is yours in the ground or in a pot? and how old from seed? Thanks
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on June 29, 2023, 02:18:08 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/CBrQHdKJ/5315-E57-B-EAB0-4-BE0-949-B-EB1-C064-DE1-C0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBrQHdKJ)

Finally get to solve the mystery of what guava this is. Can’t believe it took so long to flower.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on June 30, 2023, 08:24:57 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/tZNJj96R/64-B49-F43-CC45-49-B6-98-D0-B71-C741-C8791.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZNJj96R)

Skittles guava on guajava is doing very well.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on July 04, 2023, 12:48:11 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/xkfQnp1J/40141175-A5-E5-4-DC2-A39-F-E8-D41-C66-CE4-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkfQnp1J)
Mystery guava flowering up and growing nicely finally. It kind of took off in the deep of winter then got beat back badly by frost. I am happy to see it recovering and hopefully finding out what it is

(https://i.postimg.cc/BtrGXnvG/78-E2-F3-C0-4490-48-F4-9-D07-1390-F00-D5907.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BtrGXnvG)
Long leaf putting its first flowers of the season out, I got good fruit off this last year.

(https://i.postimg.cc/p5Fbqgq7/BF1594-EB-5-B3-F-46-EA-833-F-8-AE543480740.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5Fbqgq7)
Guineese flowering for the first time, haven't tried this one yet

(https://i.postimg.cc/G4rwxgY7/EE73-D8-F2-0-C44-4-E37-91-BC-2-A0-C9-AF12-F61.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G4rwxgY7)
Heavy flowering on this "skittles" psidium sp, this one produced a lot of fruit last year and anyone who got seeds / fruit from me, it came from this plant.

(https://i.postimg.cc/k2cr1Nvn/F4-F232-D7-C12-D-4-EC2-B39-B-FBADFFBFF732.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k2cr1Nvn)
Out of 20 seeds I only got 2 plants of this "skittles" variety, this is the other one that flowered mildly last year but set no fruit. I hope to try some fruit off of it this year and if the flower size is any sign it may make bigger fruit than the other one??
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on August 24, 2023, 12:24:06 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/VSL4BWgp/27-A763-AD-87-E7-4873-B68-D-D9-A3-D549-DAE2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSL4BWgp)
"Skittles" guava looks tremendous this year!

(https://i.postimg.cc/PpC40fBM/2-F37-F1-BA-7529-4-BC2-9160-61-A7260-B527-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PpC40fBM)
Long leaf doesn't look as productive, I think too much N in the fertilizer but it sure has blown up. Now I know it is not frost tolerant so I will protect it better this year.

(https://i.postimg.cc/YGT37K7B/A19-B43-A4-92-C8-425-F-BA87-4-BB30040-EE6-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YGT37K7B)
Guineense, first fruiting for me, got this from Giant Gecko last year

(https://i.postimg.cc/r0sncNtx/C30-F7468-84-A6-4-E23-9-DC1-3-EAD4-C67019-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0sncNtx)
My other "Skittles" which has not fruited before (has flowered) but looks to be fruitful this year
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on August 24, 2023, 01:22:29 PM
Nice to see the thread updated. Looking good K-rimes
My eugeniafolia are not ripening lol. Been taking so long...
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on August 24, 2023, 02:00:23 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jy18STvP/9676-B0-D7-7-B31-481-D-921-F-160-C2-E70-E7-A5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jy18STvP)

Meant to add this one of my orange flesh guajava, it’s doing phenomenally well this season.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on August 24, 2023, 02:57:38 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on August 24, 2023, 01:22:29 PM
Nice to see the thread updated. Looking good K-rimes
My eugeniafolia are not ripening lol. Been taking so long...

Psidiums seem to sit for everrr and then all of a sudden ripen up. my longipetiolatum sized up and then ripened months later
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: chrisafix23 on August 25, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: rdm on April 22, 2023, 08:17:26 PM
Psidium friedrichsthalianum
(https://i.postimg.cc/dhGXFgJV/20230422-135606.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhGXFgJV)


Psidium striatulum
(https://i.postimg.cc/xkR4JHJr/20230422-135614.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkR4JHJr)


Bunch of standard psidium guajava, Mexican cream, barbie pink, Hong Kong pink, gushikin orange, ruby x supreme, Philippine Swirl, Ka Hua Kula, and a few Thai white types
(https://i.postimg.cc/6T7MwF0x/20230422-135640.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6T7MwF0x)


guajava White pear
(https://i.postimg.cc/mzppVsy8/20230422-135703.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mzppVsy8)


guajava Indonesian white
(https://i.postimg.cc/jwSkz5PD/20230422-140516.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jwSkz5PD)

rdm, have any of your standard guavas fruited? How are the indonesian and thai white guavas? I'm thinking of adding some to my collection
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on August 25, 2023, 02:07:43 PM
Quote from: nattyfroootz on August 24, 2023, 02:57:38 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on August 24, 2023, 01:22:29 PM
Nice to see the thread updated. Looking good K-rimes
My eugeniafolia are not ripening lol. Been taking so long...

Psidiums seem to sit for everrr and then all of a sudden ripen up. my longipetiolatum sized up and then ripened months later
Funny how you say that lol I went outside and found a ripe fruit today.
Taste is good, but sour which I like, but the seed is so tough I about called my dentist. That’s why I’m not 100% invested into psidiums. Gotta check out the seedless guavas soon.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BtvyGj3v/IMG-8291.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BtvyGj3v)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Paradise Redefined on August 26, 2023, 03:07:27 PM
I got a multi mack of psidium from Marcos a few months back. The hybrid araza and purple forest guava are now sprouting as well as a few chanar.

I think I'm the most excited about the hybrid (Psidium guineense x grandifolium) Has anyone tried the fruit? I saw a review of fancy plants on YouTube but was wondering if anyone else has tried it yet?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: W. on August 26, 2023, 07:40:41 PM
My contribution to the PGA thread—a couple of photos of my Psidium striatulums' first crop of fruit. Confirmation that this species can fruit in a container, at a small size, and in a temperate location (brought inside for the winter, of course).

(https://i.postimg.cc/yJ9bgn82/Psidium-Striatulum-fruit-August-26-2023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yJ9bgn82)

(https://i.postimg.cc/r0NZgmWJ/Psidium-Striatulum-fruits-August-26-2023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0NZgmWJ)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on August 26, 2023, 08:25:05 PM
Quote from: W. on August 26, 2023, 07:40:41 PM
My contribution to the PGA thread—a couple of photos of my Psidium striatulums' first crop of fruit. Confirmation that this species can fruit in a container, at a small size, and in a temperate location (brought inside for the winter, of course).

(https://i.postimg.cc/yJ9bgn82/Psidium-Striatulum-fruit-August-26-2023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yJ9bgn82)

(https://i.postimg.cc/r0NZgmWJ/Psidium-Striatulum-fruits-August-26-2023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0NZgmWJ)

Striatulum is, so far, my favorite of the guava species I am fruiting or have tried (orange guajava, "skittles" SP, sartre, strawberry, lemon). In a lot of ways I prefer it over guajava/ It's the same flavor notes, just more robust. It grows well me for, but was bit back reasonably hard with the unusually cold wet winter in 9b CA. I had it outside, with some occasional dragging under a deck on the real cold nights.



(https://i.postimg.cc/LggLyQgV/37-EE962-D-8-D34-486-A-8-A29-9-EA772-E4-DAAF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LggLyQgV)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on August 26, 2023, 11:19:38 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/ctKvk6Fs/IMG-8307.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ctKvk6Fs)
Then pink ones are coming in now. Got a giga crop, but is it worth the space? I’m not sure.
Beautiful tree though
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: ScottR on August 27, 2023, 10:51:02 AM
Kevin out of all the seeds of skittles you sent me I have two plants growing still small about 1' tall in gal. pot.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on August 27, 2023, 06:37:05 PM
Quote from: ScottR on August 27, 2023, 10:51:02 AM
Kevin out of all the seeds of skittles you sent me I have two plants growing still small about 1' tall in gal. pot.

They're hard to sprout and keep alive! Man, I was sure I wouldn't get a single plant out of 20+ seeds as I saw them pop up one by one, then assuredly die. It's tough going for a little seedling in our humidity is my guess. They will fly from 1' tall onward, I think mine put on about 2' this year at least. It grafts to guajava, so that makes me thinks it can also hybridize - psidium in general are rising in the fruit ranks for me.

Graft shown below:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Sj55qy9S/0-D76902-E-D516-4208-BC2-D-E91-FC940-E51-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Sj55qy9S)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vcVKZp7W/E783505-E-79-D5-4507-8-F81-8-BA736-D85493.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vcVKZp7W)

It's flowering, I guess I should save seeds from this fruit - likelihood of hybrid should be high, I see the bees working the guajava today.



(https://i.postimg.cc/zVZj03Wg/925725-A7-9-FFB-410-B-9278-D1-CFC5113-C56.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zVZj03Wg)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: greg_D on August 30, 2023, 11:11:29 PM
Hi everyone! I have seedlings from this listing on Trade Winds Fruit:

"Seeds are from a wild Hawaiian guava bearing medium sized fruits with bright pink flesh and a strongly aromatic flavor. Used locally for juices and desserts. Similar growth habits and requirements to other guavas."

The seedlings are roughly one year old.

There's some things I've been trying to figure out about them that I'd really appreciate any input on.

1. How likely is it that the fruit is decent quality?

2. How much water would the trees need in-ground in Los Angeles county?

3. How big would the trees want to grow, and how small could I reasonably keep them in-ground with pruning?

4. Are they likely to be self-fertile?

Thanks for any help! I've attached the photo from the listing.
(https://i.postimg.cc/94mBJ87g/psidium-guajava25-wild-14044.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94mBJ87g)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: greenerpasteur on August 31, 2023, 04:21:10 PM
I'm surprised noone mentioned all the hot seedless guava variety on the market. I grow a few of them - Thai ruby seedless guava, Thai seedless, Taiwanese ruby seedless, Taiwanese seedless
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs/Screenshot-20230615-092657-Facebook.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs)



(https://i.postimg.cc/94ysNH8p/Screenshot-20230615-170018.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94ysNH8p)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on August 31, 2023, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: greenerpasteur on August 31, 2023, 04:21:10 PM
I'm surprised noone mentioned all the hot seedless guava variety on the market. I grow a few of them - Thai ruby seedless guava, Thai seedless, Taiwanese ruby seedless, Taiwanese seedless
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs/Screenshot-20230615-092657-Facebook.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs)



(https://i.postimg.cc/94ysNH8p/Screenshot-20230615-170018.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94ysNH8p)
Hey, that looks amazing! How is the taste on that?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: hammer524 on August 31, 2023, 05:38:57 PM
Off topic but tomorrow I am going to meet with Professor Leslie Landrum who retired from Arizona State. He's an expert in the Myrtle family. Would happy to pass along any questions you might think of.

First time meeting him so dont make me sound too pretentious :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_R._Landrum
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: greenerpasteur on August 31, 2023, 05:40:15 PM
I haven't try it but based on many review it's one of the best guava variety - sweet, crunchy, and little tart.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on August 31, 2023, 10:32:03 PM
Quote from: hammer524 on August 31, 2023, 05:38:57 PM
Off topic but tomorrow I am going to meet with Professor Leslie Landrum who retired from Arizona State. He's an expert in the Myrtle family. Would happy to pass along any questions you might think of.

First time meeting him so dont make me sound too pretentious :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_R._Landrum
Could you ask him about his Jaboticaba knowledge?
Such a cool opportunity you have!
Also congrats to 100 replies on this thread! Let's keep it going.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Kevinthegarden on August 31, 2023, 10:56:08 PM
Quote from: greenerpasteur on August 31, 2023, 04:21:10 PM
I'm surprised noone mentioned all the hot seedless guava variety on the market. I grow a few of them - Thai ruby seedless guava, Thai seedless, Taiwanese ruby seedless, Taiwanese seedless
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs/Screenshot-20230615-092657-Facebook.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs)



(https://i.postimg.cc/94ysNH8p/Screenshot-20230615-170018.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94ysNH8p)

I actually bought one a few months back from one of the FB importing sellers. I believe I have 2 fruits currently holding. Will report back on the taste in End of Fall early Winter hopefully.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Mike T on September 01, 2023, 04:18:03 AM
I have 2 seedling Cuban guavas nearly of flowering age but have little information on the quality of the best Cuban types. One is a Cuban Orange fleshed and the other is a large pink fleshed Cuban. Seeds were purchased as desirable varieties. Is that enough information for anyone to provide coherent additional information?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: MadFarm on September 01, 2023, 02:04:13 PM
First fruit of the year in the beginning of the year. They are progressively improving on a 4+ year old tree, supposedly Ruby Supreme
(https://i.postimg.cc/bsszBwJK/20230225-005755.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bsszBwJK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/341KPy2H/20230225-005808.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/341KPy2H)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: MadFarm on September 01, 2023, 03:55:35 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/17OikEAsCYw?feature=share
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Kevinthegarden on September 01, 2023, 05:59:00 PM
Quote from: kalan on June 17, 2023, 10:28:53 PM
Quote from: Kevinthegarden on June 16, 2023, 06:06:41 PM
Anyone here growing psidium robustum?

I have one 5 year old tree grown from seed, flowered for the first time about a month ago here in zone 10b. Looks like a couple fruit are developing.

Update on my psidium robustum - A few fruits starting to form, excited to try this one
second pick is an unknown guava (possibly a vietnam or thai type), have had it for years - crunchy sweet white flesh. size is 1-3 baseballs usually depending on fruit thinning
(https://i.postimg.cc/LJdLWz6L/robustum.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJdLWz6L)

(https://i.postimg.cc/67tRWtZQ/guava.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/67tRWtZQ)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: hammer524 on September 01, 2023, 06:21:26 PM
My p. Robustum has been the hardiest guava I’ve grown so far
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on September 02, 2023, 04:45:57 AM
Quote from: chrisafix23 on August 25, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: rdm on April 22, 2023, 08:17:26 PM
Psidium friedrichsthalianum
(https://i.postimg.cc/dhGXFgJV/20230422-135606.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhGXFgJV)


Psidium striatulum
(https://i.postimg.cc/xkR4JHJr/20230422-135614.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkR4JHJr)


Bunch of standard psidium guajava, Mexican cream, barbie pink, Hong Kong pink, gushikin orange, ruby x supreme, Philippine Swirl, Ka Hua Kula, and a few Thai white types
(https://i.postimg.cc/6T7MwF0x/20230422-135640.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6T7MwF0x)


guajava White pear
(https://i.postimg.cc/mzppVsy8/20230422-135703.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mzppVsy8)


guajava Indonesian white
(https://i.postimg.cc/jwSkz5PD/20230422-140516.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jwSkz5PD)

rdm, have any of your standard guavas fruited? How are the indonesian and thai white guavas? I'm thinking of adding some to my collection

sorry for late reply, didn't see the question till now.

i ended up chopping the Thai white guavas, i tried each and even bought fruits from the farmers market and they were all just slightly sweeter hard apples that even when peeled tasted like wheat grass.  the Indonesian  is actually really good, i cant tell for certain but from descriptions its seems like its comparable to the tropical white that's sold on the mainland...i wouldn't be surprised to find out its the same plant just under a different name, it does have a slightly vegital taste compared to rubyXsupreme and barbie pink, no musk like the pinks, it had a softer texture then the pinks, closer to a soft pear then the more rubbery flesh of the pinks, also sweeter and noticeably more tart so it reminds me of a less sharp sweettart candy. i have a rubyXsurpeme i air layered recently but im considering another  Indonesian to put in the ground instead.

 i feel like the  Indonesian is a better eating out of hand fruit while the pinks are better suited for use as an ingredient, rubyXsupreme makes a great simple smoothy with some water, ice and sugar along with barbie pink which is vastly larger then rubyXsurpeme but has a more rubbery texture so while also good for smoothy i suspect it would be a better tree for were you need bulk guava that doesn't need to stand on it own feet like in a cake/pie/ect.

my narrow leaf seems to be languishing, i just stopped growing, lost most leaves and never really put on new growth so kinda expecting it to finally die off at some point and make room for something else. 

orange guava doing well in pot, has a flower but hasn't fruited yet. hong kong pink still small, white pear getting very large now but hasn't flowered yet but i expect it will at any time now. cas guava doing well, seems to be the slowest grower out of them all but seems to be happy, im actually the most excited to try that one since i love sour things, i like to lick lemons,limes,calamondin so the prospects of a white guava that's super sour right off the tree was a must have for me.

oh, the Mexican cream got absolutely massive, fruited...and was pink...so thanks etsy seller. so chopped it as well, its a ruby supreme now....so if anyone knows a legit reliable source for a Mexican cream its kinda my last wish list guava before i think im done acquiring new types. its been my unicorn that iv been chasing but never caught.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: chrisafix23 on September 02, 2023, 09:13:48 PM
rdm, thanks for the descriptions. The Indonesian sounds good. I actually have a Mexican cream that has a couple of fruits on it. I’ll let you know how they turn out. Maybe we can swap some scions or air layers.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Lovetoplant on September 05, 2023, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: greenerpasteur on August 31, 2023, 04:21:10 PM
I'm surprised noone mentioned all the hot seedless guava variety on the market. I grow a few of them - Thai ruby seedless guava, Thai seedless, Taiwanese ruby seedless, Taiwanese seedless
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs/Screenshot-20230615-092657-Facebook.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs)



(https://i.postimg.cc/94ysNH8p/Screenshot-20230615-170018.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94ysNH8p)

Greenpasteur,  can you post a picture of the leaves of the rounded guava fruit in picture#2?  How big is the leaf?  Thanks
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on September 05, 2023, 12:20:21 AM
Quote
my narrow leaf seems to be languishing, i just stopped growing, lost most leaves and never really put on new growth so kinda expecting it to finally die off at some point and make room for something else. 
I am always surprised that not every plant loves Hawaii, but the cerrado background may make it most at home in CA's drier conditions. It is such an easy grower for me. I am starting to hone in on fruiting plants that more closely match my climate and it seems to be yielding positive results, guavas from the cerrado are IT!


Quote
so if anyone knows a legit reliable source for a Mexican cream
It's always at Home Depot here in CA, but I am sure someone on the forum can help you out with that if not an even better cultivar thereof. If not, I have no issues cutting a plant up on your behalf. 
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on September 05, 2023, 12:25:04 AM
Some guava from a trip to El Salvador

(https://i.postimg.cc/8jhx7Xyz/9845-C672-2149-4-AFC-9-A91-F8305-CA3361-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jhx7Xyz)
Cas guava with a honker of a tree behind it

(https://i.postimg.cc/JGzNdTk6/CBB00329-FE8-D-48-A5-A88-C-9-D6099-B1-FB3-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGzNdTk6)
Flowers and fruits both present

(https://i.postimg.cc/0MSmD3hj/D1-EA1-C43-7869-477-B-829-A-BE373-EE5-FCD8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0MSmD3hj)
They grow without any care in that climate, no extra water

(https://i.postimg.cc/687dByzC/F64-C79-CD-BD45-45-F2-8-D27-A1-C1-F0-E77-CAE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/687dByzC)
My orange guava is blowing UP with flowers. This looks like a good year and I hope they finish up sooner than last year. It is unlikely in my climate I'll get enough warm weather for them.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: greenerpasteur on September 05, 2023, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: Lovetoplant on September 05, 2023, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: greenerpasteur on August 31, 2023, 04:21:10 PM
I'm surprised noone mentioned all the hot seedless guava variety on the market. I grow a few of them - Thai ruby seedless guava, Thai seedless, Taiwanese ruby seedless, Taiwanese seedless
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs/Screenshot-20230615-092657-Facebook.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs)



(https://i.postimg.cc/94ysNH8p/Screenshot-20230615-170018.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94ysNH8p)

Greenpasteur,  can you post a picture of the leaves of the rounded guava fruit in picture#2?  How big is the leaf?  Thanks

Here are two variety on one tree I grafted. The round Taiwanese ruby seedless guava leaves is on the right
(https://i.postimg.cc/ykTR3bbh/Screenshot-20230905-084131-Gallery.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykTR3bbh)

It has a very big leaves. Bigger than Taiwanese white seedless
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Lovetoplant on September 06, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
Quote from: greenerpasteur on September 05, 2023, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: Lovetoplant on September 05, 2023, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: greenerpasteur on August 31, 2023, 04:21:10 PM
I'm surprised noone mentioned all the hot seedless guava variety on the market. I grow a few of them - Thai ruby seedless guava, Thai seedless, Taiwanese ruby seedless, Taiwanese seedless
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs/Screenshot-20230615-092657-Facebook.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0jzSZTs)



(https://i.postimg.cc/94ysNH8p/Screenshot-20230615-170018.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94ysNH8p)

Greenpasteur,  can you post a picture of the leaves of the rounded guava fruit in picture#2?  How big is the leaf?  Thanks

Here are two variety on one tree I grafted. The round Taiwanese ruby seedless guava leaves is on the right
(https://i.postimg.cc/ykTR3bbh/Screenshot-20230905-084131-Gallery.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykTR3bbh)

It has a very big leaves. Bigger than Taiwanese white seedless

Thank you.  Mine is about a year old growing from seed.  The leaves are very big, wavy, and purplerish in color.  Very nice foliage.  The fruit I got the seeds from looks similar to yours but almost twice as big.  It contains 4-5 seeds
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on September 06, 2023, 12:08:11 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/7GLBrKXD/190-B4-E61-6-DAC-41-A3-A396-2-F5-BCF7-FBAD6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7GLBrKXD)
Cas Guava has come back from the brink of death, but I think the results are clear - it hates winters here in 9b. I think I'm going to pull it out of the ground and put it in the greenhouse potted.

(https://i.postimg.cc/p9H74QgX/24-AC65-F3-3-B02-431-B-B6-AF-1641-FE962-C05.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9H74QgX)
Long leaf fruit sets, it's still flowering but not all that much. Next year no more N

(https://i.postimg.cc/QFLnKkNk/3113-BEBC-2231-4662-8-B9-B-684898-EC612-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QFLnKkNk)
Skittles guava is going berserk this year

(https://i.postimg.cc/dD1fbVSd/4411-C8-E7-DF24-4616-B449-5674-B1-A1-A839.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dD1fbVSd)
Skittles

(https://i.postimg.cc/gwy92tvZ/585-F604-D-B26-A-40-FB-9-AFD-F6-E260-F99110.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwy92tvZ)
Fern leaf has been really taking off now in the full sun, I will probably up pot it soon. I think guavas like full sun, even when young, it barely grew at all in the 50% shade gh

(https://i.postimg.cc/WD89yBGX/62-A2-D6-A7-48-F7-4022-90-E3-D51-C8059-FE5-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WD89yBGX)
Lemon guava totally loaded. Last year I thinned the fruits and they weren't all that big so this year I'm just letting it hold however many it wants


(https://i.postimg.cc/c6bz0GVz/7-A76598-B-33-F3-4250-BFAF-B15-F3-F870067.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6bz0GVz)
Orange flesh guava fruit sets


(https://i.postimg.cc/JGH2hd8z/8-A05-E058-5706-47-D1-88-E3-0-D8197152947.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGH2hd8z)
Ok this is big for me. This is an unknown guava that is in ground and absolutely huge. First year it flowered and it kept dropping them, I kinda gave up on getting to taste it. I see fruit sets now though!


(https://i.postimg.cc/1gsCJmq8/B2937-BE8-1663-4-E0-E-ABCA-0-AD8-CD6-F027-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1gsCJmq8)
Psidium myrtoides I got for free this year is setting fruit. I absolutely destroyed this thing when it got pulled out of the ground. It barely had a rootball and I chopped around 70% of the canopy off. It has made a great recovery. I hear the fruit sucks, but at least I'll get to try it.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on September 07, 2023, 09:14:25 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/sMPmtCgv/IMG-8416.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sMPmtCgv)Good news for the psidium growers - I hope to share some of these next spring. This is psidium guineese var caatinga. I got them from Giant Gecko who got them from a grower in Brazil.
I remember when I sprouted the longipetiolatum, they got super huge really quick.

(https://i.postimg.cc/LJFvC8Rc/IMG-8420.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJFvC8Rc)pink guava and the little runt eugeniafolia (myrtoides). I'll report back on taste.

The fruit is a little small, probably could get bigger, but I haven't been watering because I'm busy.
Ok, I'm not really impressed with the eugeniafolia. Kinda troll. Very sour and has so many seeds but they are huge seeds.

That was my reaction with the cas guava also (I forgot I even got to try that one) - But at least with cas, it is bigger so there you have it.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on September 08, 2023, 11:40:51 AM
I see your P striatulum is doing the cleistogamous (don't open) flowers thing. My plant didnt do it for the first few years now its common on my mother and all the seedlings. My mother started producing opened flowers this year but still a good bunch of them are cleistogamous.  Wonder if its a recessive trait that is due to inbreeding due to a lack of genetic diversity.  Would be great to get some different genetics to breed that trait out.  The fern leaf I gave you has so many seedlings from that batch of seeds that are not fern leafed and i wonder if its related to P striat due to visual similarities, maybe can use that to cross.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on September 08, 2023, 01:28:46 PM
Quote from: nattyfroootz on September 08, 2023, 11:40:51 AM
I see your P striatulum is doing the cleistogamous (don't open) flowers thing. My plant didnt do it for the first few years now its common on my mother and all the seedlings. My mother started producing opened flowers this year but still a good bunch of them are cleistogamous.  Wonder if its a recessive trait that is due to inbreeding due to a lack of genetic diversity.  Would be great to get some different genetics to breed that trait out.  The fern leaf I gave you has so many seedlings from that batch of seeds that are not fern leafed and i wonder if its related to P striat due to visual similarities, maybe can use that to cross.

I think reasonably almost all psidium can cross / hybridize. I grafted guineense onto guajava no issue so that should be a hybrid for sure. I'll save those seeds for sure. I have a lot of guava flowering and bees now and so I think a lot of my seeds if not all of them will be hybrids. I'll put some other guavas around the striatulum, and especially that fern leaf once it's matures.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: shmojojojo on September 08, 2023, 05:42:06 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on September 07, 2023, 09:14:25 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/LJFvC8Rc/IMG-8420.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJFvC8Rc)pink guava and the little runt eugeniafolia (myrtoides). I'll report back on taste.

The fruit is a little small, probably could get bigger, but I haven't been watering because I'm busy.
Ok, I'm not really impressed with the eugeniafolia. Kinda troll. Very sour and has so many seeds but they are huge seeds.

That was my reaction with the cas guava also (I forgot I even got to try that one) - But at least with cas, it is bigger so there you have it.

Hang in there, the eugeniafolia will improve! Been there done that with the first batch of small fruits. Sour and astringent. Even my second flush of my first fruiting was a major improvement. Same goes for a lot of psidium. Was the flesh a dark red color?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on September 09, 2023, 03:53:25 PM
Re: cleistogamous, looks like it's not every flower. It does happen though.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TLNGx4Pg/20434-A6-A-238-A-4619-BABF-698847-D1-E2-A7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLNGx4Pg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CnZ0xsZt/56-B8-B98-A-AD9-C-4-B2-F-8962-EB9-DA9616597.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CnZ0xsZt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BLnsd0JJ/5-B353-DEA-C3-FC-4-AC6-AB0-F-4-FF5-FD79-CA05.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLnsd0JJ)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on September 09, 2023, 09:16:11 PM
Cas guava getting bigger, slow growth and seem to grow a bit, stops, drops a few lower leaves and then goes back to growing again.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0r74Gmkk/20230909-150443.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0r74Gmkk)

Psidium striatulum seems to have finally died off. now to decide what to put in its place, was thinking of buying another Indonesian white, but i do have a 3rd rubyXsupreme air layer that's doing well in a pot, maybe ill just put that into the ground. tho the larger fruit from the barbie pink is also nice to have for the shear bulk of it..but my recent air layer a week or two after being cut and potted had all the leaves brown, still waiting to see if it pulls through but its been about 2 weeks and no obvious green buds appearing.



(https://i.postimg.cc/vDvJF9pP/20230909-150452.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDvJF9pP)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: a_Vivaldi on September 10, 2023, 03:50:20 PM
Quote from: hammer524 on September 01, 2023, 06:21:26 PM
My p. Robustum has been the hardiest guava I’ve grown so far

What kind of temperature has it taken?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: hammer524 on September 10, 2023, 05:14:20 PM
33 degrees and the hottest month on record for Phoenix. I havent received below freezing temps in a few years.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: a_Vivaldi on September 11, 2023, 08:37:42 AM
Seems to be living up to is name then. That's cool
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: MadFarm on September 11, 2023, 10:52:59 PM
Just harvested these. Biggest pink guavas I've seen. Ruby Supreme
(https://i.postimg.cc/sGZkMFRt/20230911-224705.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sGZkMFRt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fkJZGF17/20230911-224715.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fkJZGF17)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RWQz1znm/20230911-224725.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWQz1znm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G89w18g3/20230911-224735.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G89w18g3)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on September 12, 2023, 12:46:43 AM
Quote from: MadFarm on September 11, 2023, 10:52:59 PM
Just harvested these. Biggest pink guavas I've seen. Ruby Supreme
(https://i.postimg.cc/sGZkMFRt/20230911-224705.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sGZkMFRt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fkJZGF17/20230911-224715.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fkJZGF17)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RWQz1znm/20230911-224725.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWQz1znm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G89w18g3/20230911-224735.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G89w18g3)

ya rubyXsupreme can get massive sometimes, my biggest single guava was a rubyXsupreme. but it also varies a lot with the size of the fruit from my experience.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jDy5bp0p/242119392-10221579860660790-5438904939531895240-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jDy5bp0p)

barbie pink is more consistently large but never quite got as big as the rubyXsupreme.



(https://i.postimg.cc/f3BSGGYw/300959808-10223128297850752-5587971609257661651-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3BSGGYw)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: TropicalDoc on September 12, 2023, 12:53:58 AM
Quote from: K-Rimes on September 05, 2023, 12:20:21 AM
Quote
my narrow leaf seems to be languishing, i just stopped growing, lost most leaves and never really put on new growth so kinda expecting it to finally die off at some point and make room for something else. 
I am always surprised that not every plant loves Hawaii, but the cerrado background may make it most at home in CA's drier conditions. It is such an easy grower for me. I am starting to hone in on fruiting plants that more closely match my climate and it seems to be yielding positive results, guavas from the cerrado are IT!

I had a narrow leaf guava grown from seed as well. It was doing very well until one day it just started to die. Im guessing that it may be prone to phytophthora, being native to a relatively dry area. If so it might be near impossible to grow in wet and humid areas like mine -windward side of Hawaii.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on September 12, 2023, 01:55:13 AM
Quote from: TropicalDoc on September 12, 2023, 12:53:58 AM
Quote from: K-Rimes on September 05, 2023, 12:20:21 AM
Quote
my narrow leaf seems to be languishing, i just stopped growing, lost most leaves and never really put on new growth so kinda expecting it to finally die off at some point and make room for something else. 
I am always surprised that not every plant loves Hawaii, but the cerrado background may make it most at home in CA's drier conditions. It is such an easy grower for me. I am starting to hone in on fruiting plants that more closely match my climate and it seems to be yielding positive results, guavas from the cerrado are IT!

I had a narrow leaf guava grown from seed as well. It was doing very well until one day it just started to die. Im guessing that it may be prone to phytophthora, being native to a relatively dry area. If so it might be near impossible to grow in wet and humid areas like mine -windward side of Hawaii.

ya on windward side of Oahu, we usually get a decent amount of rain daily depending on the season.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on September 12, 2023, 02:03:26 AM
Quote from: K-Rimes on September 05, 2023, 12:20:21 AM

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so if anyone knows a legit reliable source for a Mexican cream
It's always at Home Depot here in CA, but I am sure someone on the forum can help you out with that if not an even better cultivar thereof. If not, I have no issues cutting a plant up on your behalf.

iv tried a few times in the trade area over the years but never got a response. id be more then willing to compensate you for your time and efforts and shipping cost for a rooted/air layered Mexican cream plant, even if its tiny, as long as its the real thing im willing to wait for it to grow. iv tried hundreds of cuttings every time iv pruned the trees and before that ordered a bunch of cuttings online and i have never been able to get a single one to root.


(https://i.postimg.cc/kVzSGHvN/uNmkMgLP.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kVzSGHvN)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on September 12, 2023, 03:23:39 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/T5vJYc8P/298411606-10223099125761468-7348404853585382960-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/T5vJYc8P)

Malaysian red guava, was super pretty..but the fruit had a terrible bitter aftertaste that only got worst with every bite. so its a rubyXsupreme now.


(https://i.postimg.cc/RN92g739/310612419-10223312007243372-4269803654012052014-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RN92g739)

pic of the smoothies iv made from a few of the guavas iv grown.
first one is rubyXsupreme, malaysian red , Ka Hua Kula (was supposed to be red but was bright yellow, maybe a miss labeled), White Indonesian. 
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on September 12, 2023, 01:58:52 PM
Has anybody got Psidium ubatubensis to pop up? I stirred up the soil on mine after a few months and the seeds look swollen but nothing emerging. It seems like once you venture out beyond regular guava and cattley guava, other species in genus tend to have lower germination rate or longer germination times.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: greg_D on September 12, 2023, 03:32:58 PM
What are the characteristics that individuate Mexican cream as a variety? Is it a specific clone? Or rather a type?

There's a nursery here in Long Beach that is owned by Mexican immigrants. They have a couple very old guava trees. If memory serves, one of the two makes the sort of guavas I see for sale at the Hispanic grocery store. I'm sure they would sell you cuttings or maybe even let you set up an air layer.

The nursery is mezcala nursery, their insta handle is the name of the nursery, the owner is named Sergio.

Quote from: rdm on September 12, 2023, 02:03:26 AM
Quote from: K-Rimes on September 05, 2023, 12:20:21 AM

Quote
so if anyone knows a legit reliable source for a Mexican cream
It's always at Home Depot here in CA, but I am sure someone on the forum can help you out with that if not an even better cultivar thereof. If not, I have no issues cutting a plant up on your behalf.

iv tried a few times in the trade area over the years but never got a response. id be more then willing to compensate you for your time and efforts and shipping cost for a rooted/air layered Mexican cream plant, even if its tiny, as long as its the real thing im willing to wait for it to grow. iv tried hundreds of cuttings every time iv pruned the trees and before that ordered a bunch of cuttings online and i have never been able to get a single one to root.


(https://i.postimg.cc/kVzSGHvN/uNmkMgLP.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kVzSGHvN)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Altrexy on October 10, 2023, 10:01:05 PM
First harvest on my Barbie pink. Small but extremely fragrant and decently sweet. Good flavor. Not much to compare it to though as I’m relatively inexperienced with guava. I could smell them from pretty far away.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TKxR4kkd/71865789836-747-D4-FAE-7920-49-BD-BEB8-9-AB29-C09-A82-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKxR4kkd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1nVht6W7/IMG-8387.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1nVht6W7)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on October 15, 2023, 10:56:13 PM
Finally got Psidium Ubatubensis to sprout.  Took me approximately 5 months.  Started out by soaking overnight then in a small pot on the heatmat.  After like 4 months I kind of decided they were not going to do much and threw them in the outdoor greenhouse to make room for other stuff.  Forgot about them for a month or so and here we are. Seems like once you stray from guajava and cattleianum, psidium seem to be more sporadic/longer germination times. Success with 1 sprout popping out of 4 seeds so far.


(https://i.postimg.cc/K3YjmbtY/20231015-181343.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K3YjmbtY)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on October 16, 2023, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: SDPirate on October 15, 2023, 10:56:13 PM
Seems like once you stray from guajava and cattleianum, psidium seem to be more sporadic/longer germination times. Success with 1 sprout popping out of 4 seeds so far.


(https://i.postimg.cc/K3YjmbtY/20231015-181343.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K3YjmbtY)

I am definitely not that successful with these more rare psidiums. I am probably 1/4 as well, overall.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on October 16, 2023, 01:55:48 PM
My friend David has been carrying out some of the newest psidiums in the US. While I'm mostly focused on plinias, he has not neglected the psidiums at all.
Check out his sale thread. Get some rareness! Crazy to think that a lot of the new stuff available is through zone pushers lol. Don't underestimate us.
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=52614.msg504666#msg504666
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on October 19, 2023, 02:32:05 PM
Guineense sizing up nicely

(https://i.postimg.cc/qtWDpvW2/A3-A229-FB-88-C8-495-F-B22-D-53-CA7-B012208.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtWDpvW2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BP0h1wS6/DCD52-B79-A2-A6-4554-A281-E6-A33-CC9257-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BP0h1wS6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2bvcyffM/FE14-DE3-D-B4-D6-4-A1-E-812-A-C14-F1-D44037-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2bvcyffM)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on October 19, 2023, 06:38:45 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/LYF4yvpM/IMG-8804.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LYF4yvpM)
Ultra rareness from David.
Psidium schenkianum
Sorobancabense
And many other rarities!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on October 19, 2023, 08:33:08 PM
Went in on a fairly similar box


(https://i.postimg.cc/GHn3XQvQ/4739-CEDA-48-F1-4-D4-F-9-B57-5055984015-AA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHn3XQvQ)

Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on October 19, 2023, 08:49:10 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on October 19, 2023, 08:33:08 PM
Went in on a fairly similar box


(https://i.postimg.cc/GHn3XQvQ/4739-CEDA-48-F1-4-D4-F-9-B57-5055984015-AA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHn3XQvQ)
Looking great!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on October 19, 2023, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on October 19, 2023, 08:33:08 PM
Went in on a fairly similar box


(https://i.postimg.cc/GHn3XQvQ/4739-CEDA-48-F1-4-D4-F-9-B57-5055984015-AA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHn3XQvQ)

Same, got two of each! haha
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on October 19, 2023, 10:51:45 PM
The race is OFFICIALLY on between Nate, Ryan, and I to fruiting.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on October 19, 2023, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on October 19, 2023, 10:51:45 PM
The race is OFFICIALLY on between Nate, Ryan, and I to fruiting.
Bet. Winner should get something from the other two ;D
I'll throw in a rare plinia of some sort LOL
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: W. on October 20, 2023, 01:19:09 AM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on October 19, 2023, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on October 19, 2023, 10:51:45 PM
The race is OFFICIALLY on between Nate, Ryan, and I to fruiting.
Bet. Winner should get something from the other two ;D
I'll throw in a rare plinia of some sort LOL

Add me to the race. I bought a couple of Psidium sorocabense, as well as a couple of guineense varieties. After recently fruiting my striatulums, I'm feeling my oats about Psidium growing. I'm not sure what I want to wager, but I will certainly play for the pride of being first. 8)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on October 20, 2023, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on October 19, 2023, 10:51:45 PM
The race is OFFICIALLY on between Nate, Ryan, and I to fruiting.
I officially resign! Not sure I can compete with the miracle gro ;) haha
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on October 23, 2023, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: W. on October 20, 2023, 01:19:09 AM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on October 19, 2023, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on October 19, 2023, 10:51:45 PM
The race is OFFICIALLY on between Nate, Ryan, and I to fruiting.
Bet. Winner should get something from the other two ;D
I'll throw in a rare plinia of some sort LOL

Add me to the race. I bought a couple of Psidium sorocabense, as well as a couple of guineense varieties. After recently fruiting my striatulums, I'm feeling my oats about Psidium growing. I'm not sure what I want to wager, but I will certainly play for the pride of being first. 8)

You're in W.!

My plants are actually growing pretty well after last weeks change into bigger pots. I am just waiting for them to acclimate to the new digs and then I'll get them out of the shadehouse and into full sun. Seems all my guavas do best there.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Nick C on October 23, 2023, 11:07:23 PM
Currently picking strawberry guavas. Do these things tend to make larger fruit the older/bigger the tree gets? Cause these fruit are tiny but there’s a ton


(https://i.postimg.cc/McwkgQsV/IMG-1359.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/McwkgQsV)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nullzero on October 23, 2023, 11:20:35 PM
Not much bigger, you may have luck thinning out the crop.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on October 24, 2023, 02:07:20 AM
I just found this thread and good to see Psidium getting some respect. Has one here have any of the more difficult Psidium species to germinate from the Cerrado that has been available this year, such as Red Heron, Cerrado Laranja and pohlianum? I have a few seeds of each kept in moist sand with none sprouted yet.  I’m thinking these may take as much time or more as some Annona species of the region. I’ve been cycling every few weeks going variable 70F night to 85F day to constant 77F to hopefully trigger them to break dormancy.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on October 24, 2023, 10:10:11 AM
What I'm really looking for is psidium pulcherrimum. Really regretting not buying it when I had the option to import some seeds.
The fine and small leaf psidiums and eguenias are on another level in terms of ornamentals.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on October 24, 2023, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on October 24, 2023, 10:10:11 AM
What I'm really looking for is psidium pulcherrimum. Really regretting not buying it when I had the option to import some seeds.
The fine and small leaf psidiums and eguenias are on another level in terms of ornamentals.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ppXJm58B/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ppXJm58B)


Here is the one P. pulcherrimum I have from about 7 seeds. Still a possibility other seeds might germinate because some of them are very sporadic. This seedling is starting to get  thinner leaves that they are known for. These Caatinga species look so similar at first.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on October 24, 2023, 12:23:05 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/FYfS5y57/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYfS5y57)


I want to show y'all this, here is 1 Psidium schenckianum that was planted in a 3” wide 8” deep treepot, they clearly grow much better in a deeper pot. Sometimes I learn the hard way on growing. I think now that in their native biome if their taproot gets dry they will go into shutdown mode like they are going into the dry period of the year. Good drainage but with consistent moisture at the tap root and good light is key. Also I highly doubt these Caatinga species will handle much more than maybe a light frost, luckily they are small enough to move around or protect.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on October 24, 2023, 04:49:28 PM
Quote from: Giant Gecko on October 24, 2023, 12:23:05 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/FYfS5y57/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYfS5y57)


I want to show y'all this, here is 1 Psidium schenckianum that was planted in a 3” wide 8” deep treepot, they clearly grow much better in a deeper pot. Sometimes I learn the hard way on growing. I think now that in their native biome if their taproot gets dry they will go into shutdown mode like they are going into the dry period of the year. Good drainage but with consistent moisture at the tap root and good light is key. Also I highly doubt these Caatinga species will handle much more than maybe a light frost, luckily they are small enough to move around or protect.

I was quite surprised to see how well rooted these small plants were. Most of them had roots all the way down to the bottom of the cells. I am already seeing them take off some after getting into bigger pots with fresh soil. I can tell I'll be up potting fairly frequently till around 15g.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on October 24, 2023, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on October 24, 2023, 04:49:28 PM
Quote from: Giant Gecko on October 24, 2023, 12:23:05 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/FYfS5y57/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYfS5y57)


I want to show y'all this, here is 1 Psidium schenckianum that was planted in a 3” wide 8” deep treepot, they clearly grow much better in a deeper pot. Sometimes I learn the hard way on growing. I think now that in their native biome if their taproot gets dry they will go into shutdown mode like they are going into the dry period of the year. Good drainage but with consistent moisture at the tap root and good light is key. Also I highly doubt these Caatinga species will handle much more than maybe a light frost, luckily they are small enough to move around or protect.

I was quite surprised to see how well rooted these small plants were. Most of them had roots all the way down to the bottom of the cells. I am already seeing them take off some after getting into bigger pots with fresh soil. I can tell I'll be up potting fairly frequently till around 15g.

Some of these species especially ones from the Caatinga can have maybe 2 inches of top growth and 8 inches of roots. Glad to hear they are already starting to grow well for you.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on October 25, 2023, 11:24:10 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/5jQ8Z0vb/IMG-6035.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5jQ8Z0vb)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: elouicious on October 25, 2023, 11:31:31 AM
I guess I should cross post this-

Hey all-

an exciting update-

in Jan of 2021 we received some seeds from forum member Andres Pires in Brazil and in particular some cool guava species

After some lost labels and a few years- one of the tree is producing fruit!

(https://i.postimg.cc/94z8cQWf/1024230816.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94z8cQWf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0rS46j7M/1024230816a.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rS46j7M)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k66pvXZH/1023231642.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k66pvXZH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4mbF50LX/1024231415-HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4mbF50LX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SnS1tG3C/1024231728.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SnS1tG3C)

I am pretty sure it is the Psidium sp. Araçá amarelo due to the color of the fruit, but these dropped green and then ripened to yellow of the counter-

ripeness was assessed by smell (like all guavas) and me and NissanVersa tried the fruit today-

I think they are delicious and the seeds are not going to crack your teeth apart- similar in flavor to a mexican cream guava but superior-

Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on October 25, 2023, 11:42:22 AM
Here are some more seedlings that I have growing that I think are interesting too. This Psidium’s fruit report sounds awesome and fewer seeds. The seedling is a bright green color.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TKzL6qX9/IMG-5719.png) (https://postimg.cc/TKzL6qX9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3dVJ4XxD/IMG-6035.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3dVJ4XxD)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on October 25, 2023, 04:49:37 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/5X8qktpm/90781-B02-EEA7-4958-B9-A4-DB8-A417-AC23-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5X8qktpm)

We have nice cool cloudy weather for the next 5 days. Perfect time to acclimate to full sun. Psidium in general grows substantially better in full sun for me.

Can’t believe how much the small leaf ones greened up being in new soil.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on October 25, 2023, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on October 25, 2023, 04:49:37 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/5X8qktpm/90781-B02-EEA7-4958-B9-A4-DB8-A417-AC23-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5X8qktpm)

We have nice cool cloudy weather for the next 5 days. Perfect time to acclimate to full sun. Psidium in general grows substantially better in full sun for me.

Can’t believe how much the small leaf ones greened up being in new soil.

Same here, all the Psidium I grow grows best in full sun.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on October 25, 2023, 08:12:32 PM
Psidium sp Varzea Amazon Floodplain. Bellamy has these cheap in the clearance section.


(https://i.postimg.cc/bDLFCTK3/IMG-5724.png) (https://postimg.cc/bDLFCTK3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MfT3hBwx/IMG-5725.png) (https://postimg.cc/MfT3hBwx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/LYmb370J/IMG-5727.png) (https://postimg.cc/LYmb370J)


(https://i.postimg.cc/1nvxbPkx/IMG-5906.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1nvxbPkx)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on October 25, 2023, 08:31:15 PM
Psidium sp Caatinga Arboreo This was found as a “ tall” tree compared to the other Psidium in the Caatinga at 10 foot tall. Small green fruits.
(https://i.postimg.cc/VrRnXZ3L/IMG-5100.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VrRnXZ3L)

(https://i.postimg.cc/phxKhMc6/IMG-6037.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/phxKhMc6)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Pneuma on October 28, 2023, 07:55:09 PM
Getting spooky 👻
Pink, white, strawberry asking for help the lemon isn’t shy of the cold
(https://i.postimg.cc/ygt1CFYt/IMG-7212.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygt1CFYt)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on October 28, 2023, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: Pneuma on October 28, 2023, 07:55:09 PM
Getting spooky 👻
Pink, white, strawberry asking for help the lemon isn’t shy of the cold
(https://i.postimg.cc/ygt1CFYt/IMG-7212.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygt1CFYt)

Strawberry guava is as bullet proof as lemon. Send it. Mine were absolutely loaded with snow and didn't defoliate or even blink.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: greenerpasteur on November 01, 2023, 10:20:56 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/06tsD1Pj/20231031-204532.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/06tsD1Pj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JsMVFzht/20231031-204712.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsMVFzht)

I finally got a chance to taste my home grown Taiwanese ruby seedless guava and Vietnamese Xa Li.

Taiwanese ruby seedless guava is probably ruby crystal. It's very crispy, crunchy, and mildly sweet. Some bite is sweeter than others. I think I may have pick a little prematurely. It's not as dense as Taiwanese seedless guava. Dip with some Tajin and it's really enjoyable. My friend said it's his favorite since it can be really sweet if you fertilize a week before picking it. I'm grafting two more tree to big rootstock.

Vietnamese Xa Li is not as crunchy, but sweeter this year. Both are very enjoyable
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on November 09, 2023, 12:59:30 PM
Guineense sizing up, first fruiting for me
(https://i.postimg.cc/cKVJy3Nz/4-DEC2420-2687-405-C-9388-C09553-F1-B893.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKVJy3Nz)


"Skittles" on Guajava is totally compatible, bummer on no fruit for hybrid seeds!
(https://i.postimg.cc/23dSM39H/5485-F799-A854-43-D1-8564-54-B9-D2265-F0-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23dSM39H)


Cas guava came back from the dead, I will protect it this year. It was under snow last year and almost died...
(https://i.postimg.cc/RNXVCyBK/608-DBBCB-29-C5-4-DF7-8787-AC5-FA518854-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNXVCyBK)


Fern leaf is SUCH a stunner! It really started to speed up finally.
(https://i.postimg.cc/87ck74p3/62-DA4004-8862-4771-A87-F-286-E4-BE40440.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/87ck74p3)


My latest guava pick-ups from Giant Gecko are looking good, I have pretty good confidence most of these will survive.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4mZmxphk/811046-A6-B8-CC-404-F-8-AC8-9064972412-FB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4mZmxphk)


Orange flesh guajava loading up HARD. I am not thinning as I want small fruits that ripen sooner.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5QJNjMyq/92356-C8-B-9-CAA-46-FF-A01-D-E2-EA5-E1-F8365.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5QJNjMyq)


Skittles guava loaded
(https://i.postimg.cc/kRyMbhtr/F30-E15-C6-AEDC-4-A28-9-DCB-B65-D254-F0550.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kRyMbhtr)


Fern leaf, minor leaf, and grandifolium all looking good in full sun
(https://i.postimg.cc/CRx5jYNc/F69484-FD-C5-ED-4696-9-C4-D-B40415-E70417.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CRx5jYNc)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: elouicious on November 09, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on November 09, 2023, 12:59:30 PM
Guineense sizing up, first fruiting for me
(https://i.postimg.cc/cKVJy3Nz/4-DEC2420-2687-405-C-9388-C09553-F1-B893.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKVJy3Nz)


"Skittles" on Guajava is totally compatible, bummer on no fruit for hybrid seeds!
(https://i.postimg.cc/23dSM39H/5485-F799-A854-43-D1-8564-54-B9-D2265-F0-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23dSM39H)


Cas guava came back from the dead, I will protect it this year. It was under snow last year and almost died...
(https://i.postimg.cc/RNXVCyBK/608-DBBCB-29-C5-4-DF7-8787-AC5-FA518854-F.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNXVCyBK)


Fern leaf is SUCH a stunner! It really started to speed up finally.
(https://i.postimg.cc/87ck74p3/62-DA4004-8862-4771-A87-F-286-E4-BE40440.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/87ck74p3)


My latest guava pick-ups from Giant Gecko are looking good, I have pretty good confidence most of these will survive.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4mZmxphk/811046-A6-B8-CC-404-F-8-AC8-9064972412-FB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4mZmxphk)


Orange flesh guajava loading up HARD. I am not thinning as I want small fruits that ripen sooner.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5QJNjMyq/92356-C8-B-9-CAA-46-FF-A01-D-E2-EA5-E1-F8365.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5QJNjMyq)


Skittles guava loaded
(https://i.postimg.cc/kRyMbhtr/F30-E15-C6-AEDC-4-A28-9-DCB-B65-D254-F0550.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kRyMbhtr)


Fern leaf, minor leaf, and grandifolium all looking good in full sun
(https://i.postimg.cc/CRx5jYNc/F69484-FD-C5-ED-4696-9-C4-D-B40415-E70417.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CRx5jYNc)

that fern leaf is gorgeous
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on December 03, 2023, 03:51:00 PM
Psidium robustum: Super delicious fruit with no tannins.  Tones of Banana in this fruit. Very sweet with no tartness nor tannic bitterness found in some other species such as longipetiolatum or cattleianum.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NKMBsq1b/Screen-Shot-2023-12-03-at-12-46-17-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/NKMBsq1b)
Psidium guinense x: A potential hybrid guinense species. Species confirmed by Leslie Landrum, who believes it to be a guinense or possible hybrid of.  Fruit was delicious. Very nice tart/sweet ratio with only a couple of seeds and lots of flesh! A really beautiful and low growing, but slow plant. Large showy  flowers and absolutely something I want to grow a lot more of.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XB46tTjf/Screen-Shot-2023-12-03-at-12-47-10-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/XB46tTjf)

Psidium longipetiolatum is really not a particularly great fruit. The tree bears heavily, drops sporadically unripe and ripe fruit.  The fruit has a strong tannic eucalyptus-y flavor that is mainly in the skin. The pulp itself is pretty good but ultimately not sure it's really a winner in my book. 
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SplorKeLZ on December 03, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
I live in Seattle which is zone 8b (side note, i wanted to make sure that seattle was 8b and not 8a i looked it up and apparently we have changed to 9a!) and i heard that strawberry guava P. cattleianum can grow unprotected in-ground here, is that true?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: greg_D on December 03, 2023, 07:42:39 PM
Ribbed pink guava from SoCal farmers market. Looked like they were selling a mix of fruit from different seedling trees. Grown on a farm in San Diego. 1.5 inch diameter, very fragrant, standard tropical guava taste. Oddly round, like a ball. The ribs are physical depressions in the fruit, six per fruit, equally spaced. Like a star pattern. If you've ever seen a Korean melon these look like tiny round versions of one of those.

(https://i.postimg.cc/mcWtfxF6/IMG-8137.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcWtfxF6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Pp2xwPVB/IMG-8138.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Pp2xwPVB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QVdVrJHs/IMG-8139.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVdVrJHs)

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(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9XCCpmQ/IMG-8141.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9XCCpmQ)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on December 03, 2023, 09:14:38 PM
Quote from: SplorKeLZ on December 03, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
I live in Seattle which is zone 8b (side note, i wanted to make sure that seattle was 8b and not 8a i looked it up and apparently we have changed to 9a!) and i heard that strawberry guava P. cattleianum can grow unprotected in-ground here, is that true?

I think it would do fine, but see if you can find a lemon guava which is the same thing but tastier. Both should do fine, but I would suggest planting close to a wall (south facing) for even better chance.

Mine don't even blink down to 25f which they've visited many times, but I've seen my native Vancouver BC hit 10f, which will indeed damage them. You could get lucky for a few years and not get one of those stabbing cold years, or it could be be the coldest year on record, but overall the zone should be warm enough now. Just make sure you have solutions in place (frost cloth, heaters, greenhouse) or similar when the day comes.

Guavas all grow great in containers, so, you could just wheel it into your garage or something if it happens. All bets are off if planted in ground and you get a killer record frost.

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Psidium robustum: Super delicious fruit with no tannins.

Save me some seeds or plants for next year Nate! Looks awesome.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SplorKeLZ on December 03, 2023, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on December 03, 2023, 09:14:38 PM
Quote from: SplorKeLZ on December 03, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
I live in Seattle which is zone 8b (side note, i wanted to make sure that seattle was 8b and not 8a i looked it up and apparently we have changed to 9a!) and i heard that strawberry guava P. cattleianum can grow unprotected in-ground here, is that true?

I think it would do fine, but see if you can find a lemon guava which is the same thing but tastier. Both should do fine, but I would suggest planting close to a wall (south facing) for even better chance.

Mine don't even blink down to 25f which they've visited many times, but I've seen my native Vancouver BC hit 10f, which will indeed damage them. You could get lucky for a few years and not get one of those stabbing cold years, or it could be be the coldest year on record, but overall the zone should be warm enough now. Just make sure you have solutions in place (frost cloth, heaters, greenhouse) or similar when the day comes.

Guavas all grow great in containers, so, you could just wheel it into your garage or something if it happens. All bets are off if planted in ground and you get a killer record frost.

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Psidium robustum: Super delicious fruit with no tannins.

Save me some seeds or plants for next year Nate! Looks awesome.
Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 04, 2023, 12:06:40 AM
Does anyone here have some more guava varieties they can hook me up with?
Looking for common guavas...just with names.
Thanks much!
Also, never knew that this thread would gain so much traction.
glad to see the love of psidiums spreading!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on December 04, 2023, 12:44:12 AM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on December 04, 2023, 12:06:40 AM
Does anyone here have some more guava varieties they can hook me up with?
Looking for common guavas...just with names.
Thanks much!
Also, never knew that this thread would gain so much traction.
glad to see the love of psidiums spreading!

I was just at Mimosa, crazy collection of guavas there, picked up ruby supreme. I saw: kilo, vietnamese giant white, century, watermelon, red malaysia, Taiwan white, Thai, Taiwan Ruby, Thai Seedless, Ổi Nữ Hoàng (queen), Ổi Không Hạt Thái Lan, Ổi Mật Thủy Đào, Giống cây ổi tím Malaysia.

I'm going to try to air layer some guava next spring, stay tuned. Will try on skittles, long leaf, guineense, strawberry, lemon, and orange flesh guajava.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 04, 2023, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on December 04, 2023, 12:44:12 AM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on December 04, 2023, 12:06:40 AM
Does anyone here have some more guava varieties they can hook me up with?
Looking for common guavas...just with names.
Thanks much!
Also, never knew that this thread would gain so much traction.
glad to see the love of psidiums spreading!

I was just at Mimosa, crazy collection of guavas there, picked up ruby supreme. I saw: kilo, vietnamese giant white, century, watermelon, red malaysia, Taiwan white, Thai, Taiwan Ruby, Thai Seedless, Ổi Nữ Hoàng (queen), Ổi Không Hạt Thái Lan, Ổi Mật Thủy Đào, Giống cây ổi tím Malaysia.

I'm going to try to air layer some guava next spring, stay tuned. Will try on skittles, long leaf, guineense, strawberry, lemon, and orange flesh guajava.
Amazing. Look forward to hearing back later.
if anyone else has some different varietals, I'm always open to buying.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: W. on December 04, 2023, 04:17:04 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on December 04, 2023, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on December 04, 2023, 12:44:12 AM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on December 04, 2023, 12:06:40 AM
Does anyone here have some more guava varieties they can hook me up with?
Looking for common guavas...just with names.
Thanks much!
Also, never knew that this thread would gain so much traction.
glad to see the love of psidiums spreading!

I was just at Mimosa, crazy collection of guavas there, picked up ruby supreme. I saw: kilo, vietnamese giant white, century, watermelon, red malaysia, Taiwan white, Thai, Taiwan Ruby, Thai Seedless, Ổi Nữ Hoàng (queen), Ổi Không Hạt Thái Lan, Ổi Mật Thủy Đào, Giống cây ổi tím Malaysia.

I'm going to try to air layer some guava next spring, stay tuned. Will try on skittles, long leaf, guineense, strawberry, lemon, and orange flesh guajava.
Amazing. Look forward to hearing back later.
if anyone else has some different varietals, I'm always open to buying.

I have some Patillo Guava seedlings. It is a Mexican variety of guava, pink flesh with a subacid, mild flavor that the University of Florida Extension recommends for home growers. I got the seeds from Trade Winds. Since these are seedlings, they are not guaranteed to grow exactly true to type. You can see a photo of them on my sale page: https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=52354.0.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on December 04, 2023, 04:50:07 PM
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I have some Patillo Guava seedlings

Great price, too. If I didn't just grab so many new guavas, and guajava grew better outdoors, I would certainly grab some... Oh well... I probably will anyways if you wait long enough haha.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Bush2Beach on December 04, 2023, 08:09:03 PM
Good update Nate!
I want to get guinense grafted onto the weedy guavajava round here. I have some topped and ready.
P. Striatcchhh is settling in in ground on it's own roots.
Maybe Robustum will graft to guavajava or strawbs.




Quote from: nattyfroootz on December 03, 2023, 03:51:00 PM
Psidium robustum: Super delicious fruit with no tannins.  Tones of Banana in this fruit. Very sweet with no tartness nor tannic bitterness found in some other species such as longipetiolatum or cattleianum.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NKMBsq1b/Screen-Shot-2023-12-03-at-12-46-17-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/NKMBsq1b)
Psidium guinense x: A potential hybrid guinense species. Species confirmed by Leslie Landrum, who believes it to be a guinense or possible hybrid of.  Fruit was delicious. Very nice tart/sweet ratio with only a couple of seeds and lots of flesh! A really beautiful and low growing, but slow plant. Large showy  flowers and absolutely something I want to grow a lot more of.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XB46tTjf/Screen-Shot-2023-12-03-at-12-47-10-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/XB46tTjf)

Psidium longipetiolatum is really not a particularly great fruit. The tree bears heavily, drops sporadically unripe and ripe fruit.  The fruit has a strong tannic eucalyptus-y flavor that is mainly in the skin. The pulp itself is pretty good but ultimately not sure it's really a winner in my book.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on December 20, 2023, 10:34:34 AM
I think I'm going to name this long leaf cultivar "DEEZ"
(https://i.postimg.cc/BXV7Wh9j/3-B39069-D-D09-F-42-B8-85-A1-40-AE394-D864-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BXV7Wh9j)


My lemon guava is fruiting nice now, even though it's cold and rainy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G4T7bkdq/34-F03719-7832-4-CFD-8-C04-C5-D9-B31-D425-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G4T7bkdq)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on December 20, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on December 20, 2023, 10:34:34 AM
I think I'm going to name this long leaf cultivar "DEEZ"
(https://i.postimg.cc/BXV7Wh9j/3-B39069-D-D09-F-42-B8-85-A1-40-AE394-D864-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BXV7Wh9j)

🤣👍
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: elouicious on December 20, 2023, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on December 20, 2023, 10:34:34 AM
I think I'm going to name this long leaf cultivar "DEEZ"
(https://i.postimg.cc/BXV7Wh9j/3-B39069-D-D09-F-42-B8-85-A1-40-AE394-D864-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BXV7Wh9j)


My lemon guava is fruiting nice now, even though it's cold and rainy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/G4T7bkdq/34-F03719-7832-4-CFD-8-C04-C5-D9-B31-D425-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G4T7bkdq)

good god,

whats the cactus fruit?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on December 21, 2023, 10:00:20 AM
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whats the cactus fruit?

It's a baby cerrado fruit, didn't quite get to completion. Can't say it was much to write home about :(

I have another that's near black I'll probably grab today.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: drymifolia on December 21, 2023, 11:49:19 PM
Quote from: SplorKeLZ on December 03, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
I live in Seattle which is zone 8b (side note, i wanted to make sure that seattle was 8b and not 8a i looked it up and apparently we have changed to 9a!) and i heard that strawberry guava P. cattleianum can grow unprotected in-ground here, is that true?

I would be surprised if it survives here. My longipetiolatum seedlings (which are supposed to be more hardy than cattleianum) were mostly killed by the Dec. 2021 freeze (6 days entirely below freezing with a low of 16°F), and the only survivor of that freeze grew slowly the next year and then was killed by the December 2022 freeze of 17°F. 

I did plant another one in 2022, which survived that second freeze and re-grew slowly this year. So far no bad freezes this winter, so maybe it'll get a chance to get bigger before the next bad one? But there's still a lot of winter left...
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 22, 2023, 12:11:27 AM
Quote from: drymifolia on December 21, 2023, 11:49:19 PM
Quote from: SplorKeLZ on December 03, 2023, 04:05:26 PM
I live in Seattle which is zone 8b (side note, i wanted to make sure that seattle was 8b and not 8a i looked it up and apparently we have changed to 9a!) and i heard that strawberry guava P. cattleianum can grow unprotected in-ground here, is that true?

I would be surprised if it survives here. My longipetiolatum seedlings (which are supposed to be more hardy than cattleianum) were mostly killed by the Dec. 2021 freeze (6 days entirely below freezing with a low of 16°F), and the only survivor of that freeze grew slowly the next year and then was killed by the December 2022 freeze of 17°F. 

I did plant another one in 2022, which survived that second freeze and re-grew slowly this year. So far no bad freezes this winter, so maybe it'll get a chance to get bigger before the next bad one? But there's still a lot of winter left...
Sounds just like me and the yangmei
I will always prefer planting them in ground and killing them rather than keeping them in a pot all their lives.
I realized that longipetiolatum will get ginormous if not pruned.
The picture in frutas no brasil, the longipetiolatum is 50' plus
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on December 22, 2023, 10:39:23 AM
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I realized that longipetiolatum will get ginormous if not pruned.

I am yet to see any Brazilian species reach these sizes outside of their native range. They're growing maybe 25-50% as fast in our foreign climates, so I don't think you need to worry about them being 50'.

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So far no bad freezes this winter

It has been spectacularly mellow for me at my house this year. I have been watching my hometown Vancouver BC and even Whistler has had basically no snow at all. I have a good feeling about this year being an easy one for the pushers (myself included). Classic El Niño down here in SoCal so far.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on December 31, 2023, 01:47:17 PM
I got some Psidium Cauliflorum from Anderson (I think Bellamy has them too).  Surprisingly, they sprouted rather easily within a couple weeks.  All sprouted as well (only 4 so small sample size obviously).  Just thought I'd mention as the species is unique for a collection, and grows on the trunk like a jabo versus branches.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BjLsfdTM/20231231-104041.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjLsfdTM)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on December 31, 2023, 02:41:59 PM
Had a few guineense fall off ripe and YUP, that’s a keeper! It also confirmed for me that “skittles” is some variety thereof. Flavor was similar.
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/f3CLGSS6/2-A17-B078-D7-E8-4814-8-A5-E-C42-D492-CCC42.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3CLGSS6)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on December 31, 2023, 10:06:09 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on December 31, 2023, 02:41:59 PM
Had a few guineense fall off ripe and YUP, that’s a keeper! It also confirmed for me that “skittles” is some variety thereof. Flavor was similar.
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/f3CLGSS6/2-A17-B078-D7-E8-4814-8-A5-E-C42-D492-CCC42.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3CLGSS6)

Is that the Hybrid guineense from Argentina that I sent you? I had my first taste of P. australe var australe that I did enjoy. I’m sure it will even improve with age and size. Saved 10 seeds from the fruit. Pulp tasted kind of like key lime pie filling mixed with pear? I ate the skin separately and it was bitter sweet which was surprising pretty good.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on December 31, 2023, 10:07:32 PM
Do you have pics of the australe v. australe? I fruited what looks like kevins guinense potential hybrid and they sure are good.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on December 31, 2023, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: SDPirate on December 31, 2023, 01:47:17 PM
I got some Psidium Cauliflorum from Anderson (I think Bellamy has them too).  Surprisingly, they sprouted rather easily within a couple weeks.  All sprouted as well (only 4 so small sample size obviously).  Just thought I'd mention as the species is unique for a collection, and grows on the trunk like a jabo versus branches.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BjLsfdTM/20231231-104041.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjLsfdTM)

Congratulations! 100% germination for any Psidium is very good but especially one coming from Brazil that is unknown to cultivation.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on December 31, 2023, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: nattyfroootz on December 31, 2023, 10:07:32 PM
Do you have pics of the australe v. australe? I fruited what looks like kevins guinense potential hybrid and they sure are good.

Here is the Psidium australe var australe obtained from Hapajoe via Helton. First fruit after a year from seed. Found  some images I posted on Facebook. The seedling of australe is on the left.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DWwff793/IMG-6233.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWwff793)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FfCr72vd/IMG-6234.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfCr72vd)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 31, 2023, 11:45:34 PM
Good to see this thread getting some love and views...almost 10k!
I re potted some of the psidiums I got from David and wow they have some solid roots.
I was eyeing a psidium cauliflora that Kam had up for auctions, but I ended up getting a eugenia instead ;D
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on January 01, 2024, 12:34:40 AM
Just pop some seeds in a good soil.  I used Fox Farm Ocean Forest with a small bit of peat moss, that was it.  A pre-soak in some warm water for maybe 4 hours and plopped it in.   I brought it up just because there was no difficulty or long wait on this one.  Pretty easy in my experience compared to many other species.  I promise I am not doing anything special other than crossing fingers and waiting.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on January 01, 2024, 10:45:10 AM
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Is that the Hybrid guineense from Argentina that I sent you?

I think so. You've sent me a bunch of psidium, hard to keep track now haha. This was the one I won off that other forum you were trying to get going, I think the first plant I bought from you.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Nick C on January 01, 2024, 11:34:26 AM
Just sowed some of these seeds. These ones look pretty wild, hoping to get some good germination

https://andersontropicals.com/products/psidium-sp-porcupine?_pos=1&_sid=9d143e2d2&_ss=r
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Giant Gecko on January 01, 2024, 10:18:49 PM
Quote from: K-Rimes on January 01, 2024, 10:45:10 AM
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Is that the Hybrid guineense from Argentina that I sent you?

I think so. You've sent me a bunch of psidium, hard to keep track now haha. This was the one I won off that other forum you were trying to get going, I think the first plant I bought from you.


Yeah that’s the Hybrid, seed from Marcos. Sounds like everyone that’s tried it says it’s a keeper.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: aaronn on January 03, 2024, 07:39:29 PM
I had terrible luck sprouting many of the “Araza” guavas. A total bust on the hybrid and others. I think I’ve got a tiny Araza Grande going. If anyone has hybrid Araza seedlings for trade or sale, I’d be interested in the Spring.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: aaronn on January 23, 2024, 03:20:25 PM
Anyone growing the Pink and/or White Tropical Guavas sold by Four Winds Growers? I’m growing both of these in pots and am curious if people like these fruits. I’m thinking of planting them in ground the Spring.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on January 23, 2024, 04:39:21 PM
Quote from: aaronn on January 23, 2024, 03:20:25 PM
Anyone growing the Pink and/or White Tropical Guavas sold by Four Winds Growers? I’m growing both of these in pots and am curious if people like these fruits. I’m thinking of planting them in ground the Spring.

Tropical guavas are tricky for us in northern califonria because the fruits are ripening in our coldest and wettest months.  I have not had a good tropical guava that is grown outdoors in the ground, they just turn out flavorless and watery. Maybe if we get a drought year, there is potential for good ripening conditions. At this point, I think the only way to do tropical guavas will be potted or in the ground in a hoop house where conditions can be controlled a little more. My farm is right above 4 winds growers too, haha.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: aaronn on January 23, 2024, 05:05:38 PM
Quote from: nattyfroootz on January 23, 2024, 04:39:21 PM
Quote from: aaronn on January 23, 2024, 03:20:25 PM
Anyone growing the Pink and/or White Tropical Guavas sold by Four Winds Growers? I’m growing both of these in pots and am curious if people like these fruits. I’m thinking of planting them in ground the Spring.

Tropical guavas are tricky for us in northern califonria because the fruits are ripening in our coldest and wettest months.  I have not had a good tropical guava that is grown outdoors in the ground, they just turn out flavorless and watery. Maybe if we get a drought year, there is potential for good ripening conditions. At this point, I think the only way to do tropical guavas will be potted or in the ground in a hoop house where conditions can be controlled a little more. My farm is right above 4 winds growers too, haha.

Do you think potted guavas outside would do better than in ground?
I don’t have a greenhouse. And probably won’t.
If pots would do better than in ground, I’m wondering if good drainage on a slope would work well. I do have that.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Roman on January 23, 2024, 06:37:49 PM
Inland NorCal grower reporting in here, growing multiple tropical guava varieties near Sac. I have one of those Mexican Cream guava trees that are propagated by La Verne Nursery. It bloomed for me this past summer and ripened its first fruits for me towards the end of last year, I think they were ready around early-mid December IIRC.

The fruits were the first I got off of the tree, but they were sweet enough, had some nice acidity, and were very aromatic. Much better than the Mexican Cream guavas you can get from Costco or Grocery Outlet. My tree's fruits were on the small side though, but I guess that's to be expected since it's probably the first time the tree has ever fruited.

I don't give the Mexican Cream any frost protection whatsoever other than it being in a raised planter area (that I'm pretty sure is intended to be used to plant flowers LOL) on the frontside of my folks' house that faces southeast. I also have a tropical guava that I bought from TopTropicals that was sold to me as a "Dwarf Hawaiian" (who knows what it actually is), and I relocated that to the same raised planter area last February and not only did it survive, but it's friggin' huge now after just being a twiggy pipsqueak at the time I relocated it.

I have an air-layered Pearl guava in a 5 gallon pot that threw a bunch of flower buds last Fall and really wants to flower, but fat chance that'll work out for it at this time of year. I also have an air-layered Vietnamese Giant white flesh guava that has 4 or 5 fruit that are ripening up on it, but I've got that in a small unheated plastic greenhouse. The fruit are ENORMOUS for the plant only being in a 5 gallon pot, the variety definitely lives up to its name.

I'm currently growing the following varieties:

-Beaumont (in-ground)
-Mexican Cream (in-ground)
-Malaysian Red (in-ground)
-Dwarf Hawaiian (in-ground)
-Pearl (potted)
-Vietnamese Giant (potted)
-Indonesian Seedless (the variety with elongated fruit, potted)
-Lucknow 49 (potted)
-Emperor (potted)

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I'm also growing the "Kilo" variety of tropical guava in a pot. I also plan on getting trees of "Barbie Pink" and "Ruby x Supreme" sometime in the Spring.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Roman on January 23, 2024, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: aaronn on January 23, 2024, 03:20:25 PM
Anyone growing the Pink and/or White Tropical Guavas sold by Four Winds Growers? I’m growing both of these in pots and am curious if people like these fruits. I’m thinking of planting them in ground the Spring.

Hey Aaron,

I was growing both of those varieties in pots for a couple years and they survived two winters in Davis just fine. They flowered for me two years in a row but I got lazy during their flowering period because they bloomed during the hottest part of the summers here and I neglected to give them enough water. I recently relocated both trees to my relatives' properties in Vallejo.

I planted the Tropic White in-ground at one property and the Tropic Pink is still in a pot at a different property. I'm pretty sure they'll flower and set fruit this year (hopefully). Even though it likely won't give an accurate representation of the varieties, I can report back to you later regarding the quality of the first fruits should that situation pan out.

I believe a grower located in Phoenix, AZ with a Youtube channel called "Enlightenment Garden" is growing these two varieties along with multiple others and she says that the Tropic Pink is either her favorite variety or one of her best, I can't recall exactly. IIRC she really likes the fruit from Tropic White as well. I think she said that she got the trees from either Four Winds or her local Lowe's (which are probably just trees from Four Winds anyway).
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 23, 2024, 10:55:29 PM
10,000 views wow.
We love psidiums.
I just got some of the pinkish guava seeds from Jet.
Will plant some and give some to my friend.
The seeds are small, which makes me think that they can be eaten without worry.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Pneuma on January 24, 2024, 09:31:35 AM
Quote from: aaronn on January 23, 2024, 03:20:25 PM
Anyone growing the Pink and/or White Tropical Guavas sold by Four Winds Growers? I’m growing both of these in pots and am curious if people like these fruits. I’m thinking of planting them in ground the Spring.

I got both in the ground no fruit yet should this year hopefully, both took down to 20deg for a coupe hrs I did cover with AG cloth.  The strawberry I got from them has been pumping out fruit even on its small structure.
Im doing a trail between Greenhouse through the winter with no extra lights Versus my Tent thats at 70-75degs with 18hrs of light so far its pretty close come spring Ill post the photo of each group side by side. heres whats in each group at least 1 of each variety in both GH and Tent
P. g cerrado, P. g morango, P. g caatinga, P. sp Estrieta, P. schenckianum, P. australe (think my abbreviations are correct P. g ?)

I always enjoy everyone post thank you to all for sharing !!!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on January 24, 2024, 06:40:51 PM
One of the yellow Caatingas that David sent me has been doing really well all winter outdoors in a small pot.  Psidiums are so tough in general (at least where I am at).

(https://i.postimg.cc/67607TYv/20240124-150813.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/67607TYv)

Psidium Cauliflorum, I actually forgot I had a bonus free seed when I ordered and it sprouted last.  They are outdoors now in the greenhouse taking it like a champ.  Will probably sell a few of them off in like a year.

(https://i.postimg.cc/V0SmBjW0/20240124-150857.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V0SmBjW0)

Psidium sp Ubatubaense.  This one is probably a strawberry giava variant but sounds promising.  Slow growing so far, took nearly 5 or 6 months to sprout too so the genetics might be a little different.

(https://i.postimg.cc/xJnPz5Yg/20240124-151202.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJnPz5Yg)

And finally Guajava var "Diamond" I just picked up from Exotica, just because I wanted to support them before they close (if they do).

(https://i.postimg.cc/Xr6xW4hT/20240124-151642.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Xr6xW4hT)

I don't have a current picture of my Cas but I checked up on it and has not really defoliated much at all this winter compared to last, seems like they get more hardy with age.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on January 24, 2024, 08:13:09 PM
I unfortunately lost a few of David's psidiums with the cold and wet weather the last few weeks, but most are still kicking. Eating the last of the long leaf guava fruit and a few guajavas which are not ripening fully. I may move my guajava down to work this year... It'll do better there.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Nick C on January 26, 2024, 03:29:52 PM
Some Malaysian reds still putting on size in the winter



(https://i.postimg.cc/ft09JdCk/IMG-2939.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ft09JdCk)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: vnomonee on January 26, 2024, 03:33:46 PM
Those look great Nick.

My supposed "Mexican guava" is putting out fruit that taste like rotten tomatoes. I'm not sure if when I bought the plant if it was grafted and the graft died and this is the rootstock fruit, but regardless the fruit is just disgusting. 
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Roman on January 26, 2024, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Nick C on January 26, 2024, 03:29:52 PM
Some Malaysian reds still putting on size in the winter



(https://i.postimg.cc/ft09JdCk/IMG-2939.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ft09JdCk)

Yowza, Nick... what a flex, those are some friggin' whoppers!

Your tree must be eatin' good to have fruit that large, great work!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Roman on January 26, 2024, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: vnomonee on January 26, 2024, 03:33:46 PM
My supposed "Mexican guava" is putting out fruit that taste like rotten tomatoes. I'm not sure if when I bought the plant if it was grafted and the graft died and this is the rootstock fruit, but regardless the fruit is just disgusting.

Hey, vnomonee

Darn, that's a bummer... "rotten tomato" flavor definitely does not sound appetizing, my condolences. Do you remember if you got your Mexican guava at a big box store and if it came with a tag that identified what nursery it came from originally? My Mexican Cream from La Verne Nursery made small fruit, but they were still better than the fruit that you can sometimes find at Costco.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: vnomonee on January 26, 2024, 07:37:49 PM
I did in fact get it at Home Depot. I don't remember it mentioning the nursery other than it was one of those "grow it on your porch" series of sub/tropical fruit plants that they sell once in a while here in north Jersey. It came in a colorful metal pot
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Roman on January 26, 2024, 08:11:14 PM
Quote from: vnomonee on January 26, 2024, 07:37:49 PM
I did in fact get it at Home Depot. I don't remember it mentioning the nursery other than it was one of those "grow it on your porch" series of sub/tropical fruit plants that they sell once in a while here in north Jersey. It came in a colorful metal pot

Found this pic from a reddit post where a user said they bought a pink guava at Home Depot, did the Mexican guava that you bought look similar to this? The nursery of origin isn't mentioned on the reddit post, unfortunately.

I want to say that it's a rooted cutting just based off of how mature it looks while being in such a small pot, but it's hard for me to tell... I feel like a seedling or something grafted onto a seedling rootstock would need a lot more root space than that dinky pot. I've also read that grafting guavas is difficult and usually not worth the trouble compared to just air layering, rooting cuttings, or growing from seed.

(https://i.postimg.cc/9DrLm026/evzpkoyg5vu21.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9DrLm026)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: vnomonee on January 26, 2024, 08:19:11 PM
Yes thats exactly how it came! So its probably a rooted cutting, I wonder if it's mislabled or if I'm doing something wrong growing wise. The fruit drop on their own and they are already soft. I've also tried picking them before they drop and they taste bitter at that point. They also never turn yellow, not even when they soften and have that gross flavor.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Roman on January 26, 2024, 08:39:06 PM
Quote from: vnomonee on January 26, 2024, 08:19:11 PM
Yes thats exactly how it came! So its probably a rooted cutting, I wonder if it's mislabled or if I'm doing something wrong growing wise. The fruit drop on their own and they are already soft. I've also tried picking them before they drop and they taste bitter at that point. They also never turn yellow, not even when they soften and have that gross flavor.

Nice, that's one part of the mystery solved! The only possibilities I can personally think of causing the fruit to be cruddy would be:

1) It actually is a seedling rather than a rooted cutting and it lost the genetic lottery when it comes to its fruit :'(

2) It needs some TLC and a good fertilizing regimen

3) Maybe it's in ill health and afflicted by some sort of virus or a fungal disease is attacking its fruit?

Would you say your plant looks healthy? Any scab or fungal spots on your fruits? If it's healthy, I would just try giving it some Langbeinite/Sulfate of Potash Magnesia, putting it in the sunniest spot that you have available, and restricting water around harvest time to see if that does anything to help improve the taste of its fruits.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: vnomonee on January 27, 2024, 02:25:38 AM
The plant is otherwise healthy, or was. I had to cut it back when it didn't get watered when I was unvailable (that's after all of the fruit was harvested). But it's growing back now.

It gets full sun when outside. I will try fertizling with the reccomended once it gets back outside in the spring. Since I cut back now, I have 3 nice branches where I could potentially graft a different variety. If its too difficult to graft I might just get a pink guava the next time I see any for sale, or just give up and grow a big feijoa in its place since I definitely know the quality of the fruit.

Thank you for the ideas and tips!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Roman on January 27, 2024, 04:35:28 PM
Quote from: vnomonee on January 27, 2024, 02:25:38 AM
The plant is otherwise healthy, or was. I had to cut it back when it didn't get watered when I was unvailable (that's after all of the fruit was harvested). But it's growing back now.

It gets full sun when outside. I will try fertizling with the reccomended once it gets back outside in the spring. Since I cut back now, I have 3 nice branches where I could potentially graft a different variety. If its too difficult to graft I might just get a pink guava the next time I see any for sale, or just give up and grow a big feijoa in its place since I definitely know the quality of the fruit.

Thank you for the ideas and tips!

I see. Yeah, some TLC and some extra fertilizer once the weather is warm again over in Jersey couldn't hurt, and the Langbeinite should help make the fruit sweeter. I like to use Espoma Holly-tone or Citrus-tone to cover the basics, and Down to Earth makes a good granular Langbeinite product.

Hope your current Mexican guava plant works out for you! If not, a pink guava or one of the varieties of feijoa that were recently introduced from New Zealand would definitely be worthy of its spot.

I'd be interested in hearing how the next fruit from your Mexican guava turn out, hopefully you can post an update here with some photos and a taste report.

Good luck!

Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: khachaturian on January 29, 2024, 08:59:08 AM
A question about Psidium cauliflorum: can anyone describe the taste of its fruit? I found the botanical description (https://www.jstor.org/stable/41969061), but nothing about its taste.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 29, 2024, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: khachaturian on January 29, 2024, 08:59:08 AM
A question about Psidium cauliflorum: can anyone describe the taste of its fruit? I found the botanical description (https://www.jstor.org/stable/41969061), but nothing about its taste.
Since it's a new introduction, there is not much info on it.
Bellamytrees or Andersontropicals should have some info on their websites.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: khachaturian on January 29, 2024, 11:00:24 AM
Quote
Bellamytrees or Andersontropicals should have some info on their websites.

Nah... Not even on Helton's site  :-\
Since it can grow 3-6m, I might try to grow it in a container.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: NateTheGreat on January 29, 2024, 01:06:15 PM
Quote from: khachaturian on January 29, 2024, 08:59:08 AM
A question about Psidium cauliflorum: can anyone describe the taste of its fruit? I found the botanical description (https://www.jstor.org/stable/41969061), but nothing about its taste.
Not always true, but if the sellers don't mention the taste, it probably isn't any good.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Nick C on February 12, 2024, 02:15:46 PM
Had some recent germination on cauliflora and sp porco espinho


(https://i.postimg.cc/vDpryh6s/IMG-3153.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDpryh6s)

(https://i.postimg.cc/56Lw2zwF/IMG-3155.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/56Lw2zwF)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: a_Vivaldi on February 22, 2024, 06:02:43 PM
Putting the pre in precocious, my Psidium cattleianum var. littorale seedlings, almost exactly one year old, have set fruit.

I wish all fruit trees were this quick.



(https://i.postimg.cc/w1drMtX5/IMG-20240222-175724071-HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w1drMtX5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XrczCVLR/IMG-20240222-175733250-HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrczCVLR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rdVYGvYK/IMG-20240222-175748485-HDR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdVYGvYK)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on February 22, 2024, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: rdm on April 22, 2023, 08:17:26 PM
Psidium friedrichsthalianum
(https://i.postimg.cc/dhGXFgJV/20230422-135606.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhGXFgJV)


Psidium striatulum
(https://i.postimg.cc/xkR4JHJr/20230422-135614.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkR4JHJr)


Bunch of standard psidium guajava, Mexican cream, barbie pink, Hong Kong pink, gushikin orange, ruby x supreme, Philippine Swirl, Ka Hua Kula, and a few Thai white types
(https://i.postimg.cc/6T7MwF0x/20230422-135640.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6T7MwF0x)


guajava White pear
(https://i.postimg.cc/mzppVsy8/20230422-135703.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mzppVsy8)


guajava Indonesian white
(https://i.postimg.cc/jwSkz5PD/20230422-140516.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jwSkz5PD)


few changes and larger growth.


(https://i.postimg.cc/9wQRygyf/20240222-172050.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9wQRygyf)

ruby supreme


(https://i.postimg.cc/4nf9CyjT/20240222-172058.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nf9CyjT)

ruby supreme air layered from previous tree


(https://i.postimg.cc/Wt5JsjPq/20240222-172115.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wt5JsjPq)

barbie pink,just chopped it back but was getting super tall, trying to convince it to bush out more on the bottom for easier picking.


(https://i.postimg.cc/6yT43S9j/20240222-172133.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6yT43S9j)

white pear. getting very big absolutely covered in fruits, hasn't had any get ripe yet so well see if another etsy seller screwed me, not sure if its the cultivar or if is was because it get a little crispy from lack of rain last summer but all the new growth had a weeping like growth, so its a very wide but short plant, its an almost perfect shape for what i want, maybe just slightly wider and taller but otherwise the tree alone is great. hopefully the fruit is white..or at the very least good.


(https://i.postimg.cc/crjg8mCs/20240222-172227.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crjg8mCs)

cas guava.....still very slowly getting bigger. had a single flower and started a fruit but ended up aborting it.


(https://i.postimg.cc/XrCZKCB9/20240222-172235.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrCZKCB9)

new indonesian white, last one was in a pot for a while and was stunted so when it went into the ground it just never really took off, it basically dropped all the leaves and never put out any more. so chopped and bought a new one, mybe going right into the ground will stop it from stopping and never starting back up with growth.


(https://i.postimg.cc/JyCspzjv/20240222-172307.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JyCspzjv)
first ruby supreme, like the indonesian white was in a 30 gallon fabric pot but got to size and grew any more, after putting it in the ground it slowly lost all its leaves, new green buds would appear but never grew more then that, they eventually just turned black and died so now the whole tree is seemingly dead. i may start to chop back the dead wood to see of any lower limbs may still have life and maybe that will trigger it to grow again. if not i kinda plan to plant a Pakistani mulberry in its place. once my current trees are up to size and fruiting i fell like i should have more then enough guava at that point. 


so far the barbie pink, big ruby supreme and white pear are all covered in fruits, all about the same size too. so ill have to make room for that harvest at some point.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: snowjunky on February 25, 2024, 10:51:39 PM
Quote from: nattyfroootz on December 03, 2023, 03:51:00 PM
Psidium guinense x: A potential hybrid guinense species. Species confirmed by Leslie Landrum, who believes it to be a guinense or possible hybrid of.  Fruit was delicious. Very nice tart/sweet ratio with only a couple of seeds and lots of flesh! A really beautiful and low growing, but slow plant. Large showy  flowers and absolutely something I want to grow a lot more of.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XB46tTjf/Screen-Shot-2023-12-03-at-12-47-10-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/XB46tTjf)

Looks kinda like P. australe or what Marcos calls Hybrid Araza.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SplorKeLZ on March 01, 2024, 05:11:54 PM
I love guava but dont want to have to “sacrifice” precious indoor space (i know i can graft multiple cultivars) is there a good “cure all” guava thats preferably pink, (i think it looks prettier lol) that is a good size, fast growing, a good taste, and relatively seedless?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: rdm on March 01, 2024, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: SplorKeLZ on March 01, 2024, 05:11:54 PM
I love guava but dont want to have to “sacrifice” precious indoor space (i know i can graft multiple cultivars) is there a good “cure all” guava thats preferably pink, (i think it looks prettier lol) that is a good size, fast growing, a good taste, and relatively seedless?

there are many cultivars with various qualities and many can argue all day what is the best but ruby supreme is the predominate pink cultivar, iv tried a bunch of others but keep coming back to it as the winner, there's a reason its so ubiquitous, which also mean its super easy to find, almost everyone who sells pink guava online offers it which is a great benefit as iv been chasing plenty of supposedly better cultivars yet no matter how much i look around cant for the life of me actually source them, so while they may be better the fact i can never get one kinda nullifies that.

it may not be the "best" out there but you cant go wrong with it.

 i haven't grown it myself but iv seen good mentions of "tropical pink" that is sold by a few nurseries. barbie pink has also preformed very well for me but was a little harder for me to source and if i had to choose id still say ruby supreme is the better option, this thread has a post were i said why.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Mike T on March 01, 2024, 10:56:18 PM
I think a large proportion of tropical guavas are pink. Those malaysian reds look like the purples I grow a long time ago. I would give them a solid 1/10 for taste.
Orange fleshed is good btw.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 07, 2024, 09:26:34 PM
Our group now has its own Facebook group!
Psidium Growers Association
Definitely go check it out and join it!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on March 07, 2024, 11:33:27 PM
The first post on the PGA group on FB has a picture of my fully ripened p.eugeniafolia/myrtoides.
I used to not like it due to the big seeds and bitter skin, but fully ripened it (soft rind too) tasted like a nice passion fruit.
It's a keeper for me!
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 11, 2024, 05:30:18 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/r0zJ0YWP/B86-CAAC1-B854-4-A9-E-810-D-09-A418-BF070-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0zJ0YWP)
Myrtoides sucks!

(https://i.postimg.cc/67McQN7Z/CD28-E8-E7-CC5-F-49-A9-AB91-3715-B95077-AB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/67McQN7Z)
Guineense IS AWESOME
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: elouicious on April 11, 2024, 08:06:06 PM
Do you know which guineense you have K-rimes?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on April 11, 2024, 08:21:20 PM
Good to hear guineese is good.
 I think I have like 3 varieties of this I got from David!
Still small seedlings though
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: elouicious on April 11, 2024, 11:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on April 11, 2024, 08:21:20 PM
Good to hear guineese is good.
 I think I have like 3 varieties of this I got from David!
Still small seedlings though


I got those same 3 hahaha
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on April 12, 2024, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: elouicious on April 11, 2024, 11:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on April 11, 2024, 08:21:20 PM
Good to hear guineese is good.
 I think I have like 3 varieties of this I got from David!
Still small seedlings though


I got those same 3 hahaha
Let's go!!!
Race you to fruit? ;D ;)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: elouicious on April 12, 2024, 12:38:56 AM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on April 12, 2024, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: elouicious on April 11, 2024, 11:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on April 11, 2024, 08:21:20 PM
Good to hear guineese is good.
 I think I have like 3 varieties of this I got from David!
Still small seedlings though


I got those same 3 hahaha
Let's go!!!
Race you to fruit? ;D ;)

You're on XD  I got a few in ground a few in pots
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: snowjunky on April 12, 2024, 02:22:28 AM
My guineense from seeds I got on ebay years ago sucked.  Small and bad tasting fruit.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Sir Graftalot on April 12, 2024, 10:02:30 AM
"Bland and sour"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dpsidium%2Bguineense%26sca_esv%3D113d158847e1780d%26ei%3DdD0ZZqmuBZGaptQPzfy68As%26oq%3Dguineense%2Bpsi%26gs_lp%3DEhN&source_ve_path=MTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0NTAz&feature=emb_share&v=dgkoMFDOiYs
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 12, 2024, 02:16:38 PM
Quote from: elouicious on April 11, 2024, 08:06:06 PM
Do you know which guineense you have K-rimes?

Don't know, but these are big yellow fruit, and fruit in bunches, which matches up with "Caatinga". I also have a "morango" guineense that is doing pretty well in a 5g, it may fruit this Fall, and then I got that pack of seedlings from David too - but many died due to fungal issues in my greenhouse. I only have I think 3 guineense varieties from that batch that survived winter. I know Caatinga is one of them. I would happily have another, great fruit.

It was interesting visiting Kelly recently, many of his guavas he said tasted bad are ones I like. His striatulum was awful, he said, mine is pretty pleasant. I have punishing winters which also is not great for guava ripening... Dunno. The Guineense is great for a variety of reasons, one of which is that it's continuing to flower and Nate reports it flowers and produces almost all year. This is crucial for me with zone pushing location cause it'll get the heat it needs to ripen properly.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: mikesid on April 12, 2024, 07:39:19 PM

 I have a few seedlings of the hybrid araza (Psidium guineense x P. grandifolium) Marcos offered. All flowered and are setting fruit.

 

 

(https://i.postimg.cc/KRLw701N/temp-Image9b-ULh-C.avif) (https://postimg.cc/KRLw701N)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yDLP0Ryj/temp-Imaget-CYnd-L.avif) (https://postimg.cc/yDLP0Ryj)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: mikesid on April 13, 2024, 11:13:10 AM

 Here is another one from Marcos, P. salutare var. mucronatum. Has been super slow growing for me.

 
(https://i.postimg.cc/8JVzWfz7/temp-Image8-G5-L0r.avif) (https://postimg.cc/8JVzWfz7)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 13, 2024, 11:41:26 AM
Looking good Mike! Those little leaf varieties have been slow going for me too, I have a few from David, but they're doing ok now that it has warmed up and it's Spring(ish) here. 39f last night though, and they're outdoors. :|

I'll get some more photos of the guava gang today
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: Nick C on April 13, 2024, 12:42:09 PM
Some progress pics

Guineense x grand

(https://i.postimg.cc/YhGNMdnM/IMG-4082.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhGNMdnM)

Cauliflora


(https://i.postimg.cc/5H185bx2/IMG-4084.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5H185bx2)

Sp porco espinho


(https://i.postimg.cc/7bc7sgxc/IMG-4083.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7bc7sgxc)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: mikesid on April 14, 2024, 11:53:40 AM

 P striatulum with flowers and fruit holding. This came from seeds from Bellamy. Hopefully its better than the one Kelly had.

 
(https://i.postimg.cc/V0QjztQ9/temp-Image-B44h-Ig.avif) (https://postimg.cc/V0QjztQ9)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: mikesid on April 14, 2024, 11:56:07 AM

 Still trying to find an ID on this one. I got seeds from Bellamy but lost tag. It has distinct red stems. Anyone else have one like this?


(https://i.postimg.cc/bSps69f5/temp-Image3c-DLl5.avif) (https://postimg.cc/bSps69f5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3WT15MKs/temp-Imagem4-CKnh.avif) (https://postimg.cc/3WT15MKs)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: nattyfroootz on April 14, 2024, 12:03:14 PM
Is that Hapa Joe's Colombian Creme?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 14, 2024, 12:03:57 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/XZ4NzPFr/0-BE064-FD-4-C5-B-474-E-ACAB-4-B0-ACFA7-F823.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZ4NzPFr)
Long leaf guava put on a lot of size last year, and I look forward to seeing it take off even more this year. I'll be putting it into a 25g pot

(https://i.postimg.cc/f3fyWsZ7/0-DD98-DD4-FAB5-4-F72-82-B0-80-ED4758110-B.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3fyWsZ7)
Grandifolium is waking up, I thought I was going to lose it this year due to fungal issues in my GH

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLnjwPtS/38217-ED6-3653-40-D5-AC82-582741-AC73-E7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jLnjwPtS)
This is my bigger "Skittles" guava, which is a seedling from Marcos that is of some kind of guineense heritage. I'll be pulling it up in the pot and adding a few bags to the bottom, it has consumed a lot of the soil, and it's rooted into what little soil there is underneath it

(https://i.postimg.cc/K3R85gTQ/38657922-02-CC-4652-AC6-A-A1-C21256-B45-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K3R85gTQ)
Fern leaf guava is looking ok, all my guavas went red with the cold, but I see some buds following up the leaves

(https://i.postimg.cc/vDNBZ3RK/3-D5-C6-B27-DE70-480-A-8457-1-A943-C7191-C5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDNBZ3RK)
Caatinga "big yellow"

(https://i.postimg.cc/HrQs3mJG/709-DB8-F3-6709-49-C3-B104-BF81-EACB0-BEE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HrQs3mJG)
Shown here: guineense "caatinga big yellow" x 2, ganevii, Schenckianum, australe, guineense "cacho", and sartorianum. I did have acutangulum in this group, but it died due to those fungal issues as well
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: mikesid on April 14, 2024, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: nattyfroootz on April 14, 2024, 12:03:14 PM
Is that Hapa Joe's Colombian Creme?


 i had to look that one up. it does look very similar. i dont think i got any psidium seeds from him though. It does look kinda like that Caatinga the K-rimes posted too.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 14, 2024, 08:03:21 PM
The only guava I know of with leaves like that, and red interstem, is Cas guava. It's a real looker, whatever it is.

The "caatinga" is definitely of the Guineense complex, rounded leaves. Not veiny.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: mikesid on April 15, 2024, 08:52:20 AM


 Ok, I was going through all my photos and notes and found a screenshot I took. I always take screenshots of seeds I buy for records..I think its this one:


(https://i.postimg.cc/SJF45sCq/temp-Image6y-Gz2-P.avif) (https://postimg.cc/SJF45sCq)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: SDPirate on April 19, 2024, 04:53:31 PM
I put this Psidium sp Itacare off to the side and kind of forgot about it.  Started off sprouting slow but I only noticed it again because it has been exploding with new growth.  I believe the seedling is just under a year old.  Already taking full sun too.


(https://i.postimg.cc/4K3V0ztg/20240418-144159.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4K3V0ztg)
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: xesoteryc on April 19, 2024, 09:40:56 PM
My Tropical Pink Guava is flowering right now I think, for the first time. I’m 80% sure but its hard to tell. Is anyone else in the Valley of CA experiencing the same?
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: K-Rimes on April 19, 2024, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: xesoteryc on April 19, 2024, 09:40:56 PM
My Tropical Pink Guava is flowering right now I think, for the first time. I’m 80% sure but its hard to tell. Is anyone else in the Valley of CA experiencing the same?

I am seeing flowers on some of my guavas right now too, but not yet guajava.
Title: Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
Post by: xesoteryc on April 19, 2024, 11:47:56 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/d7sGsk0t/IMG-0029.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/d7sGsk0t)

Fingers crossed