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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: ScottR on June 27, 2013, 11:52:01 PM
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The New CRFG mag. has a short with very little infor on Mango's developed for Southern Calif. area and like area's. Article written by a partner of Southern California Plant Breeders is all they tell you, they show a few named var. like waxed mango,pineapple mango,mango #30,mango #12,mango #5. They say if you have Haass avocado or lemon trees growing near you you can grow these!!
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Scott, now that's what I'm talking about. If we/you could find cold tolerant mangos that ripen in the winter, then I think we could say that we would be on our way to having mangoes 24/7. I don't know if this is possible, but I wish it were and something tells me that it is or will be possible.
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Winter mangos have very poor flavor.Just dont have the summer taste
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From what I have experienced so far, the SoCal cold has not been an issue for any mango variety.
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From what I have experienced so far, the SoCal cold has not been an issue for any mango variety.
I read that article and it looked more like a tim thompson promo ad. Cuban007 took the words out of my mouth I've never had a Florida mango tree died during the winter. I think Tim has to focus on flavor because his Timotayo is not a very good mango. I have no idea how he convince la Verne nursery to propagate that variety.
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Your the man I wanted to hear from Joe, I thought it sounded to good to be true!Thanks ;)
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Your the man I wanted to hear from Joe, I thought it sounded to good to be true!Thanks ;)
My friend's Timotayos are about 4-5 weeks from ripening I'll post pics and give a review. Actually, the images of his new varieties look great and I wish Tim the best of luck but it's hard to compete with south Florida.
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I am growing Mallika, and Keitt mango trees in Escondido, California. And I want to get a Nam Doc Mai, and and Alphonso. I could be wrong but my impression is that mangos are reasonably cold hardy. However I live up on a hillside surrounded by avocado groves. I live above the "frost line" -- warm air rises.
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I am growing Mallika, and Keitt mango trees in Escondido, California. And I want to get a Nam Doc Mai, and and Alphonso. I could be wrong but my impression is that mangos are reasonably cold hardy. However I live up on a hillside surrounded by avocado groves. I live above the "frost line" -- warm air rises.
Hi Richard
Those are nice mangos and you shouldnt have any problems in terms of hardiness. I have fruited all of them here in La Habra. How close are you to the ocean?
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From what I have experienced so far, the SoCal cold has not been an issue for any mango variety.
Cuban007, very interesting, If you're right, and South California has mangos year round, then I don't see why we can't have mangos year round in South Florida.
I'd like to find out more about this, because with all the biotechnology we have today, I'm close to 100% certain that this is not impossible.
If the U. Florida can modify peaches so that they can grow in South Florida...
If scientists can transfer a glowing gene from a fish to a kitten...
Then, having mangos 24/7 (including winter) is far from impossible.
May the search/endeavor begin.
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Hey Joe, how many different kinds of Mango's are you growing and fruiting in La Habra? Can you rate your varieties as far as hardiness and are any disease problems with any variety? Thanks Joe.
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I think you can if you pick the right cultivars. A combination of early and late fruiting cultivars should give you that however I don't know much about the fruiting cycles in Florida other than they are available in the Summer. Here in SoCal everything is late compared to Florida standards. You can definitely get mangoes year round if you have mango trees in Florida and California. I am working on it. ;)
From what I have experienced so far, the SoCal cold has not been an issue for any mango variety.
Cuban007, very interesting, If you're right, and South California has mangos year round, then I don't see why we can't have mangos year round in South Florida.
I'd like to find out more about this, because with all the biotechnology we have today, I'm close to 100% certain that this is not impossible.
If the U.F. can modify peaches so that they can grow in South Florida...
If scientist can transfer a glowing gene from a fish to a kitten...
Then, having mangos 24/7 (including winter) is far from impossible.
May the search/endeavor begin.
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Cuban007, your optimism is contageous, like my old high school gym teacher would say, 'I love it.'
Respectfully speaking, sometimes it's just wonderful to find like minded people, good luck.
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You know how many have told me that Tropical Fruit trees don't grow in California??? Yet you drive down certain neighborhoods of Mexicans and Asians and they have figured it out. With the right care and attention, one can grow almost anything in SoFL and SoCal.
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From a CRFG mailer on the same subject:
http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/ (http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/)
http://www.meetthe112th.com/latest-news/camarillo-mango-expert-plans-to-patent-10-varieties-designed-to-thrive-in-ventura-county/ (http://www.meetthe112th.com/latest-news/camarillo-mango-expert-plans-to-patent-10-varieties-designed-to-thrive-in-ventura-county/)
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WOW cold hardy mangos would be great!!! ;D
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Mangoprofessor = Tim Thompson, he stated he lives in Camarillo and has been experimenting with mangoes for years. I need to try some of these mangoes out, whenever they are available to the public.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=21.msg87198#msg87198 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=21.msg87198#msg87198)
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Finally! Some patented mangoes for the West Coast!
This story ran in the Ventura County Star newspaper a couple days ago... from a quick glance it appeared the three traits that they were selecting for were mildew resistance, cold resistance and taste. I understand Manila has been doing fine in that area, but it will be nice to add some variety.
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Mangoprofessor = Tim Thompson, he stated he lives in Camarillo and has been experimenting with mangoes for years. I need to try some of these mangoes out, whenever they are available to the public.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=21.msg87198#msg87198 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=21.msg87198#msg87198)
I going to try to arrange a CRFG tour. This means he is the creator of Timotayo which I will be featuring in my mango tasting....see if I can get him to come over to La Habra in September
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That would be great, JF, but don't forget you guys - around Thanksgiving (according to his website - the one that ShaneEatWell posted above - http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/ (http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/))
he has a mango tasting event at his place where we get to taste what he has grown and rate it!
I'm definitely planning to go to that!
Gary
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That would be great, JF, but don't forget you guys - around Thanksgiving (according to his website - the one that ShaneEatWell posted above - http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/ (http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/))
he has a mango tasting event at his place where we get to taste what he has grown and rate it!
I'm definitely planning to go to that!
Gary
Count me in!
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Thanks Shaneatwell, for the link's. I sent him and e-mail, I want to taste those mango's! ;) 8)
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From a CRFG mailer on the same subject:
http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/ (http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/)
http://www.meetthe112th.com/latest-news/camarillo-mango-expert-plans-to-patent-10-varieties-designed-to-thrive-in-ventura-county/ (http://www.meetthe112th.com/latest-news/camarillo-mango-expert-plans-to-patent-10-varieties-designed-to-thrive-in-ventura-county/)
Amazing, it seems that it won't be long before California, Florida, Texas and other states have mangoes in the winter months and year round (24/7).
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Here in Phoenix area we are growing and fruiting Kent, Valenica Pride, Alphonso, Coconut Cream, Ugly Betty, and Zill. We had 5 night in the 20s this winter. They can easily be done in CA.
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This years Timotayo. It will be tested against an Edward,Haden, Glenn and LZ in the next week or so
(http://s21.postimg.cc/407xmk4ab/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/407xmk4ab/)
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I don't know, JF - they look scrumptious to me!!!!!!
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Those thing better taste good!!! Tomas will hate me if otherwise ::) kidding, Tomas
This years Timotayo. It will be tested against an Edward,Haden, Glenn and LZ in the next week or so
(http://s21.postimg.cc/407xmk4ab/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/407xmk4ab/)
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Those thing better taste good!!! Tomas will hate me if otherwise ::) kidding, Tomas
This years Timotayo. It will be tested against an Edward,Haden, Glenn and LZ in the next week or so
(http://s21.postimg.cc/407xmk4ab/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/407xmk4ab/)
Here is my dry run mango taste test...mangoproff Timotayos has some stiff competition.
(http://s8.postimg.cc/ox220j9mp/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/ox220j9mp/)
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Lucky tasters, will be interesting to see results!
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Lucky tasters, will be interesting to see results!
I hope to have 15- 20 varieties in the September tasting plus whatever the San Diego folks bring. I'll post the results.
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This new (?) category of cold tolerant mangoes is very promising and worthy to keep an eye on. I'm a recent convert to the belief that it's possible to develop mangoes (from seed or otherwise) that will produce good to eat, mature/ripe fruits in the winter months.
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Hello All,
There is one point that I would like to clear up regarding the Timotayo mango. About 5 years ago, I provided some Timotayo budwood to the original owner of Laverne Nursery. It was to be used only for grafting field trial mango trees. I had selected ranchers who would grow the mango trees and evaluate them for me. During the sale of the Nursery to new owners, the young Timotayo plants were accidentally released to the public. Since that eliminated my ability to patent the variety and trademark the name, I stopped all work with that variety. My Timotayo mango fruit had scored well in several blind taste tests early on, but I have no idea what kind of mango trees are being grown or marketed by anyone using that name since I only can speak regarding the original tree.
Many of the people who visited our website have expressed interest in participating in the mango taste tests that we conduct each fall as part of evaluating our new mango varieties. We knew there would be strong demand for these new cold hardy mango trees, so we cut a great deal of budwood from the mango trees that we are patenting to provide the nursery the material needed for grafting. We had to decide whether to sacrifice most of our mango crop, or not have enough budwood to deliver trees next year. The bottom line is our mango crop this year will be too small to put on a decent mango sampling event for the huge number of people we know would like to attend.
Tim Thompson
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Tim and I have spoken and he has explain to me the sequence of events and we believe that the mango tree shown above, in North Tustin CA, is in fact an original Timotayo. Furthermore, I will be sharing pics with him of a ripen fruit so he can positively identify it, stay tune.
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Tim, congratulations on developing some new cultivars for the region... can't wait to try them! My brother is in Camarillo and dad is in Ventura - he passed the story that ran in the Star to me. It looks like you have put a tremendous amount of work into developing these varieties and I hope that you are rewarded this time around with better protection from the nursery end of the deal. Anyway, there are two houses I know of (listed above) that will want your trees in their yards.
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Hello JF, If you have a real Timotayo mango, I think you will have a pleasant surprise. Make sure you pick your fruit when they are mature but not overripe and they are very good.
Hello PltdWorld, Ventura County is a nice place to live and good for the new mangoes too. They make a pretty landscape tree and they have the added bonus of those luscious fruit. Have you dad and bro get a hold of me and we will see what we can do about making them mango growers. Tim T.
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Hello JF, If you have a real Timotayo mango, I think you will have a pleasant surprise. Make sure you pick your fruit when they are mature but not overripe and they are very good.
Hello PltdWorld, Ventura County is a nice place to live and good for the new mangoes too. They make a pretty landscape tree and they have the added bonus of those luscious fruit. Have you dad and bro get a hold of me and we will see what we can do about making them mango growers. Tim T.
I plan to grow them in San Diego as well... sent you a PM.
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Hello JF, If you have a real Timotayo mango, I think you will have a pleasant surprise. Make sure you pick your fruit when they are mature but not overripe and they are very good.
Hello PltdWorld, Ventura County is a nice place to live and good for the new mangoes too. They make a pretty landscape tree and they have the added bonus of those luscious fruit. Have you dad and bro get a hold of me and we will see what we can do about making them mango growers. Tim T.
Hi Tim
One of my timotayo ripen last night and it was very good. The flesh was firm juicy and very sweet with a nice mild taste. The trick here in north orange county is to pick them when they break color like the ones shown above.
The tree is very productive and they seem to be a consistent heavy bearer.... you have to thin them to improve the size and taste. I will be working with my friend who has the tree next year.
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Hello JF, I am glad that the Timotayo you got was the real thing! I rated it is a good mango and like the others that I have bred, it had to pass the taste test to qualify for me work on patenting it. I am only disappointed that I lost control of it before I could bring it into production for others to enjoy too.
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Hello JF,
My collection is pretty big and it is mostly international. I have been working with mangoes for almost 40 years now. I am a low profile mango plant breeder. I have ten new mango varieties in the patent process right now as cold hardy for California. That one big mango tree is a beauty, and it sounds like you have a pretty impressive collection yourself. How long have you been growing mangoes?
Hello to all,
Hi Tim,
I would like to know what are the lower temperatures than you have in your country ventura in winter? and how many negative degree your mangoes trees than you have created resists to cold?
anaxel.
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JF - I had an afterthought regarding your nice Timotayo tree full of beautiful mango fruit. When I have a lot of mangoes on my trees, I sometimes get bored just eating them plain so I decided to include a recipe section on my website with a large variety of different ways to include mangoes in various dishes. I think you might find something you could use to utilize some of your mangoes. Try my favorite: mango coconut meringue pie.
Anaxel - You asked what the low temperature limits of our new cold hardy mangoes is. Our location is in city of Camarillo in Southern California. We use two recording thermometers to monitor the temperatures where we grow the mangoes, unprotected, outdoors. During the last 25 years we recorded three occasions where the temperature hit the mid 20 degree Fahrenheit range. All of our new mango varieties survived while two large manilla mango trees died. Most of our new varieties suffered some frost damage but recovered. We had one variety that had no apparent damage and in Spring bloomed normally. It also produced a nice crop of mangoes. For that variety, we don't actually know what the lower temperature limit really is.
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JF - I had an afterthought regarding your nice Timotayo tree full of beautiful mango fruit. When I have a lot of mangoes on my trees, I sometimes get bored just eating them plain so I decided to include a recipe section on my website with a large variety of different ways to include mangoes in various dishes. I think you might find something you could use to utilize some of your mangoes. Try my favorite: mango coconut meringue pie. The link is: http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/# (http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/#)!recipes/crd8
Anaxel - You asked what the low temperature limits of our new cold hardy mangoes is. Our location is in city of Camarillo in Southern California. We use two recording thermometers to monitor the temperatures where we grow the mangoes, unprotected, outdoors. During the last 25 years we recorded three occasions where the temperature hit the mid 20 degree Fahrenheit range. All of our new mango varieties survived while two large manilla mango trees died. Most of our new varieties suffered some frost damage but recovered. We had one variety that had no apparent damage and in Spring bloomed normally. It also produced a nice crop of mangoes. For that variety, we don't actually know what the lower temperature limit really is.
Tim, thanks for the recipes. I have a few years before I have the luxury of making preserved mango or mango wine....but I sure like those dried mangos with chili powder from Trader Joe !
Anaxel, lives in France she needs to move to South to grow mangos or in a greenhouse.
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Hi all,
Dear JF,
I'm not a woman but a man aged 45 years, yes I live in France in zone 9a and also a house in the south of portugal of my parents (zone10a, setubal) place of my origins.
thank you.
HI TIM
thank you for answering me ,for your sharing ,of your experience ,your knowledge and your kindeness (it is good to read.).
Friendship.
anaxel
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Hi all,
Dear JF,
I'm not a woman but a man aged 45 years, yes I live in France in zone 9a and also a house in the south of portugal of my parents (zone10a, setubal) place of my origins.
thank you.
HI TIM
thank you for answering me ,for your sharing ,of your experience ,your knowledge and your kindeness (it is good to read.).
Friendship.
anaxel
Hi Anaxel from Setúbal, how are you? We nead this cold hardy mangos here don't we? ;D
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Hi all,
olà luisport,
pleasure to know you luisport.
you're right, I agree with you, we need mango tree of california highly resistant to cold (20F =-6.6c), it is very difficult to reaching in this part of southern Portugal, the lowest is 40F (maximum at night).
there are some mango trees endure it and the drought in the region, they can be put in the ground, as gommera 13-1 mango tree of spain, it resists very low temperatures with periods of drought.
anaxel.
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Hi all,
olà luisport,
pleasure to know you luisport.
you're right, I agree with you, we need mango tree of california highly resistant to cold (20F =-6.6c), it is very difficult to reaching in this part of southern Portugal, the lowest is 40F (maximum at night).
there are some mango trees endure it and the drought in the region, they can be put in the ground, as gommera 13-1 mango tree of spain, it resists very low temperatures with periods of drought.
anaxel.
I'm trying kent and osteen... but this will be the first winter on grownd, so i don't know how it will stand!
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luisport
what are really the temperatures in your region in the winter at night?
I Know those of setubal, but not yours(fatima).
look,this is my glenn mango tree in the pot,he has survives to -4C°/-5C° at night during the winter 2012/2013 in my greenhouse unheated,cloth-wrapped in glass fiber(where I live in France of course).
(http://s10.postimg.cc/498v8rs9h/P1220342.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/498v8rs9h/)
(http://s18.postimg.cc/5bjviq4it/P1220341.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/5bjviq4it/)
this is my small glenn mango tree grafted with gommera mango tree rootstock.
anaxel.
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Really? Our worst winter in 6 years we get -4C, but last winter we never get -1C... 0C at most!
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Hello Anaxel, we have friends in Spain who we will be sending some of our surplus So Cal frost resistant mango budwood to for field trial testing next Summer. We can stay in touch and maybe we can help you get one of our new mango varieties to try out. We want to find out just how much cold they can take. The coldest it has gotten her is 26 degrees F. I read that the Mediterranean mango crop is down by 30 to 40 percent below normal because of the cool Spring weather. Our new mango varieties were bred to live and grow in cool Spring weather because what Southern California has. Maybe our new mangoes can help out the Mediterranean growers even out their mango crops. You can visit our website to see some of the new varieties at SoCalplantbreeders.com. Have a great day.
Tim Thompson
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Hello Anaxel, we have friends in Spain who we will be sending some of our surplus So Cal frost resistant mango budwood to for field trial testing next Summer. We can stay in touch and maybe we can help you get one of our new mango varieties to try out. We want to find out just how much cold they can take. The coldest it has gotten her is 26 degrees F. I read that the Mediterranean mango crop is down by 30 to 40 percent below normal because of the cool Spring weather. Our new mango varieties were bred to live and grow in cool Spring weather because what Southern California has. Maybe our new mangoes can help out the Mediterranean growers even out their mango crops. You can visit our website to see some of the new varieties at SoCalplantbreeders.com. Have a great day.
Tim Thompson
Please can you arrange me some hardy var to try here in Fátima?
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Hello Luisport It sounds like your are right next door to our Spanish friends. We will see it we can suggest to them to make you one of our field test locations.
To our other Tropical fruit loving friends. We are looking for some field trial sites in the Southern Hemisphere. We would like to make some new friends with people to work with on our cold hardy mangoes in Australia, Peru, Chile, Argentina and maybe a few other countries. The only limitation we are placing on a site is they need to be in a Country that respects patent rights. Any suggestions from our friends will be greatly appreciated.
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Hello Luisport It sounds like your are right next door to our Spanish friends. We will see it we can suggest to them to make you one of our field test locations.
To our other Tropical fruit loving friends. We are looking for some field trial sites in the Southern Hemisphere. We would like to make some new friends with people to work with on our cold hardy mangoes in Australia, Peru, Chile, Argentina and maybe a few other countries. The only limitation we are placing on a site is they need to be in a Country that respects patent rights. Any suggestions from our friends will be greatly appreciated.
WOW!!!! This would be just great! Thank's! ;D
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luisport,
you have your reply.
anaxel.
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Hi all,
Dear JF,
I'm not a woman but a man aged 45 years, yes I live in France in zone 9a and also a house in the south of portugal of my parents (zone10a, setubal) place of my origins.
thank you.
HI TIM
thank you for answering me ,for your sharing ,of your experience ,your knowledge and your kindeness (it is good to read.).
Friendship.
anaxel
Anaxel, I apologize. Good luck with your mango in Portugal.
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Hi jf,
nothing wrong.
friendship
anaxel.
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luisport,
you have your reply.
anaxel.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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JF - I had an afterthought regarding your nice Timotayo tree full of beautiful mango fruit. When I have a lot of mangoes on my trees, I sometimes get bored just eating them plain so I decided to include a recipe section on my website with a large variety of different ways to include mangoes in various dishes. I think you might find something you could use to utilize some of your mangoes. Try my favorite: mango coconut meringue pie. The link is: http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/# (http://www.socalplantbreeders.com/#)!recipes/crd8
Anaxel - You asked what the low temperature limits of our new cold hardy mangoes is. Our location is in city of Camarillo in Southern California. We use two recording thermometers to monitor the temperatures where we grow the mangoes, unprotected, outdoors. During the last 25 years we recorded three occasions where the temperature hit the mid 20 degree Fahrenheit range. All of our new mango varieties survived while two large manilla mango trees died. Most of our new varieties suffered some frost damage but recovered. We had one variety that had no apparent damage and in Spring bloomed normally. It also produced a nice crop of mangoes. For that variety, we don't actually know what the lower temperature limit really is.
This recipes are great! :P
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to JF From my visits to Florida, I know that Cubans are great cooks and even better bartenders. We would love to have some of your Cuban mango recipes or drinks on the recipe page. I just noticed we desperately need a good recipe for a mango margarita. Do you have one?
The old guy
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Hi all,
Recipe, cooked dish, bartender in all it's more recipe:
it smells good side of this, hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I like that.
HiTim,
I have three questions for you:
The seeds of your mangoes are polyembrionic?
Currently, you are in the project, a dwarf mango tree or is he already realized?
Currently, How much have you mango tree, resistant to cold? I mean, that resists higher temperatures 30F °
anaxel.
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Mango dry run was held today at my house. Top three were Edward, Glenn and Spirit of 76. LZ disappointed but I think it wasn't quite ready we'll try it again in the Sept. tasting. Timotayo held its own and came in the middle of the pack. Here is a pic how they looked yesterday.
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/Tropica%20fruits/image-64.jpg)
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Nice little cache of fruit there Joe, thanks for report!
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There's a JF mango?
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Anaxel In answer to your questions, virtually all of our mango breeding is with mono-embryonic mango varieties. As you probably know those do not come true to the parent if you plant mango seeds. Each offspring is unique. That is how we were able to get the variants we were looking for when it comes to low temperature tolerance. Our mangoes do not seem to be effected by the higher end of the temperature scale. I think that is because of their root system and leaf structure. For example, Avocados have most of their root system in the top 5 feet of the soil they are growing in; Citrus are in the top 6 or 7 feet of the soil and a mature mango tree's roots may reach down to 20 feet. In Southern California, when the Santa Ana winds start to blow, they are hot and dry. Those winds will literally dry out a big avocado orchard if the farmers don't turn on their irrigation system so they use about 25 percent more water. The leaf structure is also another factor when it comes to water consumption and high wind damage. Of the three, the avocado leaf is the most fragile, citrus next and the mature mango leaf is tough and leathery. The tougher leaves are the less vulnerable when it comes to wind damage. When the Santa Ana winds blow strong here they may hit hurricane strength or 70 miles per hour. The East side of my poor big Haas avocado tree is stripped of its leaves. My mangoes just laugh at the wind. After all mangoes evolved where they have hurricanes and typhoons. I hope that helps you. I don't know if you have those severe weather conditions in the part of France where you are located. From what I am told, the French Rivera has a Mediterranean climate which should be more like our climate here in Southern California.
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Anaxel In answer to your questions, virtually all of our mango breeding is with mono-embryonic mango varieties. As you probably know those do not come true to the parent if you plant mango seeds. Each offspring is unique. That is how we were able to get the variants we were looking for when it comes to low temperature tolerance. Our mangoes do not seem to be effected by the higher end of the temperature scale. I think that is because of their root system and leaf structure. For example, Avocados have most of their root system in the top 5 feet of the soil they are growing in; Citrus are in the top 6 or 7 feet of the soil and a mature mango tree's roots may reach down to 20 feet. In Southern California, when the Santa Ana winds start to blow, they are hot and dry. Those winds will literally dry out a big avocado orchard if the farmers don't turn on their irrigation system so they use about 25 percent more water. The leaf structure is also another factor when it comes to water consumption and high wind damage. Of the three, the avocado leaf is the most fragile, citrus next and the mature mango leaf is tough and leathery. The tougher leaves are the less vulnerable when it comes to wind damage. When the Santa Ana winds blow strong here they may hit hurricane strength or 70 miles per hour. The East side of my poor big Haas avocado tree is stripped of its leaves. My mangoes just laugh at the wind. After all mangoes evolved where they have hurricanes and typhoons. I hope that helps you. I don't know if you have those severe weather conditions in the part of France where you are located. From what I am told, the French Rivera has a Mediterranean climate which should be more like our climate here in Southern California.
This is just great! When i start to buy and plant mango trees, everyone say i'm crazy... and i plant them with an inner feeling of loosing them in winter, but now you give me a real hope of have good quality mangos here in Portugal! Just for that i want to thank you so much! ;D ;D ;D
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Anaxel In answer to your questions, virtually all of our mango breeding is with mono-embryonic mango varieties. As you probably know those do not come true to the parent if you plant mango seeds. Each offspring is unique. That is how we were able to get the variants we were looking for when it comes to low temperature tolerance. Our mangoes do not seem to be effected by the higher end of the temperature scale. I think that is because of their root system and leaf structure. For example, Avocados have most of their root system in the top 5 feet of the soil they are growing in; Citrus are in the top 6 or 7 feet of the soil and a mature mango tree's roots may reach down to 20 feet. In Southern California, when the Santa Ana winds start to blow, they are hot and dry. Those winds will literally dry out a big avocado orchard if the farmers don't turn on their irrigation system so they use about 25 percent more water. The leaf structure is also another factor when it comes to water consumption and high wind damage. Of the three, the avocado leaf is the most fragile, citrus next and the mature mango leaf is tough and leathery. The tougher leaves are the less vulnerable when it comes to wind damage. When the Santa Ana winds blow strong here they may hit hurricane strength or 70 miles per hour. The East side of my poor big Haas avocado tree is stripped of its leaves. My mangoes just laugh at the wind. After all mangoes evolved where they have hurricanes and typhoons. I hope that helps you. I don't know if you have those severe weather conditions in the part of France where you are located. From what I am told, the French Rivera has a Mediterranean climate which should be more like our climate here in Southern California.
Hi Tim, I'm familiar with the temps in southern France, my father is from Barcelona, and they are more like Portland Oregon. The only place in Europe that compares to SoCal in southern Spain and Portugal......mangos can be grown but in a greenhouse in France.
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Anaxel In answer to your questions, virtually all of our mango breeding is with mono-embryonic mango varieties. As you probably know those do not come true to the parent if you plant mango seeds. Each offspring is unique. That is how we were able to get the variants we were looking for when it comes to low temperature tolerance. Our mangoes do not seem to be effected by the higher end of the temperature scale. I think that is because of their root system and leaf structure. For example, Avocados have most of their root system in the top 5 feet of the soil they are growing in; Citrus are in the top 6 or 7 feet of the soil and a mature mango tree's roots may reach down to 20 feet. In Southern California, when the Santa Ana winds start to blow, they are hot and dry. Those winds will literally dry out a big avocado orchard if the farmers don't turn on their irrigation system so they use about 25 percent more water. The leaf structure is also another factor when it comes to water consumption and high wind damage. Of the three, the avocado leaf is the most fragile, citrus next and the mature mango leaf is tough and leathery. The tougher leaves are the less vulnerable when it comes to wind damage. When the Santa Ana winds blow strong here they may hit hurricane strength or 70 miles per hour. The East side of my poor big Haas avocado tree is stripped of its leaves. My mangoes just laugh at the wind. After all mangoes evolved where they have hurricanes and typhoons. I hope that helps you. I don't know if you have those severe weather conditions in the part of France where you are located. From what I am told, the French Rivera has a Mediterranean climate which should be more like our climate here in Southern California.
Hi Tim,
Thank you for your explanation.
example:winter temperatures in Madrid(19F°at night), as well as parts of northern Spain and Portugal, are lower than in my area, probably due to the altitude of the entire geographical area.
Only the ribs are usually milder , of more, Atlantic side, we have ocean currents up areas of Central America with rain.
in my area the temperatures do not drop below 23F ° clear time.
On overcast days, temperatures average 40F .
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Anaxel In answer to your questions, virtually all of our mango breeding is with mono-embryonic mango varieties. As you probably know those do not come true to the parent if you plant mango seeds. Each offspring is unique. That is how we were able to get the variants we were looking for when it comes to low temperature tolerance. Our mangoes do not seem to be effected by the higher end of the temperature scale. I think that is because of their root system and leaf structure. For example, Avocados have most of their root system in the top 5 feet of the soil they are growing in; Citrus are in the top 6 or 7 feet of the soil and a mature mango tree's roots may reach down to 20 feet. In Southern California, when the Santa Ana winds start to blow, they are hot and dry. Those winds will literally dry out a big avocado orchard if the farmers don't turn on their irrigation system so they use about 25 percent more water. The leaf structure is also another factor when it comes to water consumption and high wind damage. Of the three, the avocado leaf is the most fragile, citrus next and the mature mango leaf is tough and leathery. The tougher leaves are the less vulnerable when it comes to wind damage. When the Santa Ana winds blow strong here they may hit hurricane strength or 70 miles per hour. The East side of my poor big Haas avocado tree is stripped of its leaves. My mangoes just laugh at the wind. After all mangoes evolved where they have hurricanes and typhoons. I hope that helps you. I don't know if you have those severe weather conditions in the part of France where you are located. From what I am told, the French Rivera has a Mediterranean climate which should be more like our climate here in Southern California.
Hi Tim, I'm familiar with the temps in southern France, my father is from Barcelona, and they are more like Portland Oregon. The only place in Europe that compares to SoCal in southern Spain and Portugal......mangos can be grown but in a greenhouse in France.
Hi jf,
It is true that southern Europe and North Africa is the best place to grow the mango trees.
Now, if the mango Socal can withstood temperatures as low, I do not see where is the problem to try.
I do not know anything about the climate of Portland, Oregon.
They are magnificent your mangoes hummmmmmmm!, What chance do not have this problem of frost ;D ;D ;D.
Hi all,
olà luisport,
pleasure to know you luisport.
you're right, I agree with you, we need mango tree of california highly resistant to cold (20F =-6.6c), it is very difficult to reaching in this part of southern Portugal, the lowest is 40F (maximum at night).
there are some mango trees endure it and the drought in the region, they can be put in the ground, as gommera 13-1 mango tree of spain, it resists very low temperatures with periods of drought.
anaxel.
I'm trying kent and osteen... but this will be the first winter on grownd, so i don't know how it will stand!
Hi luisport,
cuidado com as pequenas mudas de mango kent e osteen,porque o frio sem ser cobertas,abaixo de 0 C° pode morrer.
anaxel.
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Yes of course, i will try everything to protect and save them... but of course i dream with this cold hardy trees! ;D
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Nice looking pile of mangos. I'm jeolous.
Bill
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I figured I'd let everyone see how the Tequila Sunrise mangoes are coming along...
I snapped this picture while shooting for our latest video.
(http://s11.postimg.cc/56z3ah6of/DSCF0725.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/56z3ah6of/)
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I'm impressed with all the progress being made towards the production of quality, cold tolerant mango varieties. With all due respect, I really want to say, good job everybody!
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thanks, Tony, they do look delicious !!!!!!!
By the way, how do I sign up to attend Tim's mango tasting in September?
Gary
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Hello MangoProfessor,
I was just wondering if you have considered giving some of your mango trees multiple rootstocks to increase precocity, increase production, decrease alternate bearing and possibly increase disease resistance. I know that there are space, time and cost constraints but it would be very cool and informative to multiple rootstock several token trees to compare with traditionally planted trees in about 5-10 years.
I'm especially interested if multiple rootstock trees are more resistant to the cold and disease. Every 10 years or so, we get hard frosts here in SoCal and this type of experiment could provide lots of beneficial information. I like seeing the Ag industry think outside the box to make transformative,leap wise, advances instead of continuing the norm. The possible dwarfing affect reported by some partitioners of multiple rootstock technology may have hidden benefits such as decreasing the cost of pruning in later years.
The increased precocity may also make up for the additional up front cost of the extra rootstocks and for the labor involved with innarching the young trees together.
Simon
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MangoProfessor,
I was also wondering if you have tried grafting newly sprouted seedlings onto older established mango trees in hopes that you the mature rootstock would induce the young scion to flower and fruit much earlier? If it works, perhaps you can shave off a couple years before you evaluate each variety.
I tried this last year by grafting scion from one of Eunice Messners Edwards mango sprout onto my established In ground Manilla mango tree. I'll report back later this year if the graft and rootstock flower or if just the rootstock flowers. I think what you are doing with breeding cold tolerant mangoes is absolutely Awesome. Your cold tolerant rootstock will be in high demand both here in San Diego and in Florida if trials end well. Please keep us updated on your wonderful new Mango varieties!
Simon
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Hello mango professor, and all fellow Ventura county people. I also like in VC in Moorpark and regularly visit mr.omar/a tropical fruit grower in Camarillo,Ca. He has multiple mango trees which he has grew from seed, and fruit regularly.. He also has a huge mamey sapote tree in his house(which flowers regularly, multiple guava,dragon fruit, and other fruit trees in his backyard.
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Reply to Simon_grow's question. Nearly all fruit trees that are grown from seed go through a juvenile stage before they fruit for the first time. Out of about 5,000 mango seedlings that I have grown to maturity, the earliest time to maturity has been about five years, most take double that time. We fruited three mango trees last year in 2013, that were planted as seeds in 1994 and 1995. These included the Parrot mango that we showed pictures of the fruit last year in a post on the forum. If you graft a piece of budwood from a seedling onto a mature tree, the hormones for maturity in the adult tree will transfer to the budwood and you can induce early blooming and fruit bearing. The big problem is the statistics are working against you. Out of every 1,000 seeds we planted in our breeding program, only about 1 out of 100 would grow and tolerate mildew and frost. Out of the 5,000 seeds we planted, we now have about a dozen that bear fruit in quantity and the fruit also taste good. One of last years first time fruiting mango trees that had passed all the other tests we have for a new mango variety, failed the final test. When our 5 person tasting panel sampled the fruit, each of our tasters had the same reaction: yuk!
Growing a mango tree from seed is like hoping to win the lottery. You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket. If you are lucky and plant a mango seed, you might just grow a blue ribbon mango winner. Our advice: Go for it!
Mango Professor
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From your presentation to north county CRFG I thought that about 500 survived the mildew and frost selection?
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Reply to Simon_grow's question. Nearly all fruit trees that are grown from seed go through a juvenile stage before they fruit for the first time. Out of about 5,000 mango seedlings that I have grown to maturity, the earliest time to maturity has been about five years, most take double that time. We fruited three mango trees last year in 2013, that were planted as seeds in 1994 and 1995. These included the Parrot mango that we showed pictures of the fruit last year in a post on the forum. If you graft a piece of budwood from a seedling onto a mature tree, the hormones for maturity in the adult tree will transfer to the budwood and you can induce early blooming and fruit bearing. The big problem is the statistics are working against you. Out of every 1,000 seeds we planted in our breeding program, only about 1 out of 100 would grow and tolerate mildew and frost. Out of the 5,000 seeds we planted, we now have about a dozen that bear fruit in quantity and the fruit also taste good. One of last years first time fruiting mango trees that had passed all the other tests we have for a new mango variety, failed the final test. When our 5 person tasting panel sampled the fruit, each of our tasters had the same reaction: yuk!
Growing a mango tree from seed is like hoping to win the lottery. You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket. If you are lucky and plant a mango seed, you might just grow a blue ribbon mango winner. Our advice: Go for it!
Mango Professor
Yuup go for it, not just Mango but every fruit out there, in a thousand years if we all participate in cold selection, Frozen Mango will become a common fruit tree in every Alaskan household courtyard. And certainly my sister who live in Homer Alaska, her great-great...gradnchildren wont be needing to steal my great...great...grand.children fruit in Florida. Hell look who thought I be growing apple & blue berries in South Florida just three centuries ago! ;)
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Hello mango professor, and all fellow Ventura county people. I also like in VC in Moorpark and regularly visit mr.omar/a tropical fruit grower in Camarillo,Ca. He has multiple mango trees which he has grew from seed, and fruit regularly.. He also has a huge mamey sapote tree in his house(which flowers regularly, multiple guava,dragon fruit, and other fruit trees in his backyard.
Mr Omar? http://www.vclifeandstyle.com/omardleon.htm (http://www.vclifeandstyle.com/omardleon.htm)
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Hi! Is "Atten" mango tree, hardier then cold-hardy Gomera-1 Mango tree? http://www.canarius.com/blog/the-cold-hardy-gomera-1-mango-tree/309/ (http://www.canarius.com/blog/the-cold-hardy-gomera-1-mango-tree/309/)
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Very interesting another cold-hardy Mango, to bad they don't sell seeds of this cultivar! :( 8)