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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona scions disinfection with bleach
« on: March 16, 2023, 06:02:18 PM »
If you want to use bleach-

1:10 dilution, I would not dip but rather put some liberally on a paper towel and damp all around, excluding the ends with exposed cambium

fwiw- there are many beneficial molds that often keep pathogenic molds at bay, IME bleaching creates a clean surface for pathogenic molds to colonize while beneficial molds take a bit longer to develop

Welcome to the forum nofspeppers!

I feel your struggle and also share the desire to create cocktail trees, unfortunately it is not as simple as with stone fruit or citrus for the species you described-

Plinia is probably the easiest- I currently have a tree with three varieties (four if you count the rootstock) on a Sabara rootstock- This is often recommended for grafting as they apparently have a very strong root system. The problem is getting scions of a sufficient size, many people are hesitant to trim their trees as fruit appears on old growth but if you are patient you will find some.

Eugenia is probably the most difficult- people on here have many stories of even different varieties of the same species being rejected. (i.e. Cherry of the Rio Grande Varietals) I think barring some exceptions, cross species Eugenia grafting fails.

Garcinia is probably the least well known. Commercial grafting of G. mangostana is performed in many tropical areas but to my knowledge mostly G. mangostana or G. cowa are used as rootstocks. The main advantage of grafting Garcinia is the incredibly long juvenile period can be bypassed. See NissanVersa's grafted G. brasiliensis to see how a small tree of 2-3 years old can bear fruit. Other than that I think there will be few and far between experiences with grafting Garcinia

If you decide to go down this rabbit hole please share your experiences! Much of this stuff is just now being figured out and the more reports the better

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any Info on Clavija euerganea?
« on: March 13, 2023, 04:29:38 PM »
I'd expect nothing less W.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruits with Side Effects
« on: March 13, 2023, 11:34:03 AM »
I think white sapote also has a soporific effect.
Correct- they are sometimes called the sleepy sapote

Also the seed in incredibly toxic

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any Info on Clavija euerganea?
« on: March 12, 2023, 11:21:28 AM »
All I know is that the Clavija seeds I bought from Trade Winds two or three years ago did nothing for me except rot after a while. I don't think I bought Clavija euerganea, though, since mine was described as an edible species.

I could have sworn this one rotted- was very surprised to see a sprout-

I got it because of the unknown cold tolerant while growing at a relatively high elevation and it seems a good candidate for container culture given the bush-like habit

Seeds apparently have a long germiantion time with this one coming up ~6 months later

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Any Info on Clavija euerganea?
« on: March 11, 2023, 11:21:26 PM »
Bought a seed in October of last year and it just sprouted-

I got the seed from tradewinds

An interesting rain forest tree, with bright orange, round fruits having orange pulp that looks like marmalade. The fruits grow to about an inch in diameter. Little information is available about this species. The fruits could be edible, as several other Clavija species have edible fruits, but care should always be taken with unknown fruits. Native to mid-elevation tropical forests in South America. Short, bushy growth to 6-12 ft / 3-4 m.

Every time I have ordered from Marcos I have been happy, with my most recent purchase being no exception-

Especially for zone pushers- this is a wonderland

I just added a couple of Kwai Muks [Artocarpus parvus - wrongly called A. hypargyreus] which are in 5 gals. but have taken off briskly right after repotting them, already making new terminal growth and leaves.  They are supposed to be cold tolerant down to 25ºF so we'll see if they are after a warm season of growing this year.

Also added two small Olosapos [Couepia polyandra] out of curiosity.  These will have to be given some protections from the cold I suspect, but they're worth a gamble.

Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.

I have found the Kwai Muk cliams of cold tolerance to be untrue- I hope you have a different experience-

C. polyandra is delicious and worth the work

Many garcinias are self-fertile, but often when mature. Younger trees like to party.

 ;D ;D ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia dasyblasta taste report
« on: March 08, 2023, 11:20:18 PM »
Unfortunately, Trade Winds, though overall a good seller, is not 100% accurate, and those mislabeled seeds become a big problem when growers buy them, invest years of time and effort growing them into fruiting plants, and get something completely different for all their trouble.

Completely agree with you on this front- ridiculous to put so much time and effort into something that isn't what you wanted

BUTTTTTT in this case I think you may have ended up okay kittycatus-

How would you describe the flavor of the real dasyblasta? Is it worth growing?

It is a good surinam- maybe a bit sweeter and less resinous but the small fruit size and sameish seed size make me say it is just a collectors plant-

If I could only grow a few it would be one red and one black

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia dasyblasta taste report
« on: March 08, 2023, 10:44:52 PM »
to reduce the resinous flavor place the fruit in the fridge overnight before eating-

great job!

Also definitely not a dasyblasta- i have had trhe fruit and they are maybe a quarter to an eighth of the size

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What killed my greenhouse banana?
« on: March 07, 2023, 10:28:46 PM »
watering regimen?

looks like rot to me

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fruiting INGA 45 gal in So Cal
« on: March 07, 2023, 03:45:31 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya bonanza
« on: March 05, 2023, 11:54:47 AM »
Way to go Platinyum!

love frisee, mesclun and tatsoi- I will have to try the dragons tongue as spicy greens are my favorite

My partner sent some pictures over from the place today- I am not oriented enough to say exactly what they are but Eugenia's seem to be bouncing back, and even a few Plinia

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Aerogarden Aguaymanto (Physalis peruviana)
« on: March 05, 2023, 12:17:06 AM »
Hey All-

So I found an Aerogarden for cheap recently, and in the interest of upping my greens consumption I decided to buy it-

I noticed that people often grow tomatoes in these and since I had a bunch of extra aguaymanto sprouts I thought I would give it a shot-

Here are 2 of them-

Has anyone ever tried this before? any other interesting species to try in here?

Also anyone have any good greens recommendations other than arugula and mizuna?

I don't particularly like them but I know lots of people who do. Pretty mild. It makes just about the best fruit bong there ever was though.


I actually love the fruit-

Not sure if it is a cultivar or ripening time thing but I thought they had 0 of the "puke" taste in some papayas and were citrusy and effervescent- I picked when the first yellow started to show on the skin and let it counter ripen

Can't speak to where people are getting the Plinia rara, but these things are seasonal and often rare even in their native range. Many people hike into the wild to harvest seeds which is also limiting.

There are also a lot of sellers who prefer to deal with a select few people on here to minimize the headache of dealing with people who say "i bought seeds from you 6 months ago and they never sprouted"

going for a perfect score?

IIRC you did quite well last time  :P


I think the storm in TX killed mine this year-

If it didn't I have a 5 year old tree from Dirt Diva

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees with Edible Leaves
« on: February 23, 2023, 10:35:10 AM »
Great resource!

Thanks Janet

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: FS seedlings collection etc
« on: February 22, 2023, 12:43:12 AM »
Joe is that man-

deal with confidence

ID'd the oddball and, of course, it was another palnt from Marcos

Celtis ehrenbergiana - “Tala”
Celtis ehrenbergiana is a semi-evergreen shrub or small tree with a more or less pyramidal crown; it can grow 4 - 7 metres tall. The irregular bole can be 20 - 30cm in diameter.
The plant is sometimes harvested from the wild for local use of its edible fruit, medicinal properties and dyestuff. It is sometimes grown as an ornamental. Fruit. A succulent pulp, but there is not much of it. The oval, orange-yellow fruits are about the size of a pea. Edible and sweet. Astringent. An infusion of the leaves is used in the treatment of indigestion. A plant of the subtropics and tropics, found at elevations between 300 - 1,700 metres in the tropics. Prefers a sunny position. It is apparently tolerant of a wide range of soil and moisture conditions. A fast-growing tree.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-09-15. <>

paging raul

and maybe even luc

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